Long time, but see you’re having fun running a fanboy sales thread for JJP. Ultimate fan troller, telling us all how you hated TS4 and now completely reversed that. Nuts my friend, just plain nutty, lol. Most all can see right through it, since you’re an owner now. Your list of so called “toys” is so funny to read. Never seen a poster reaching so hard to make it look like there are actual toys on a game about toys that has no actual real toys, lol. Too hillarious, listing the Leds (hot rails), 10” LCD, etc as toys, lolololo, good one! There isn’t one single thing on your list that counts in most people’s book as actual mechanical ball interactive toys. Best laugh I’ve had in a long while, so keep it up! Happy Thanksgiving to you too buddy!

This is definitely a reverse JJP troll thread. I remember well reading Freaks posts about how TS4 had no “toys” in the game and how upset he was that a game about toys had no toys. Plus he was incensed JJP was charging such outrageous prices for it too. Guess views tend to change when someone becomes an owner through a trade, lol. Would suggest the guy that got his GB, might have gotten a steal of a deal. GB is loaded with actual toys after all.

“Levi was right”!

On a positive note TS4 would look great in this expectant mom’s new room…

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Big difference between saying you’re enjoying a game and outright promotion trolling us all with a bunch of nonsense, publicly justifying your trade. Appreciate this thread you’ve created, which has now cemented in my mind all the reasons why this game is empty. It’s comical your attempt at trying to convince us there are actual toys in a toy-less game about toys. Lol Thank you for one of the best JJP troller threads ever created. You’ve worked hard.

Freak, just to let you know.
A. Jump flaps are part of a raised lane. It’s like saying the wireform lane the ball jumps over on Jurassic Park Home Edition Jack Danger designed is a toy, lol. Too funny!
B. Spinning disk is not a ball interactive toy by anyone’s stretch of imagination. AIQ has a post on top of the multidirectional disk that changes direction according to how you hit it, then raises to open a below the PF area for the ball to travel. Now that’s a true ball interactive disk. TS4 disk basically doesn’t do much.
C. Pop up little girl head is an obstacle for the ball, not a ball interactive mech toy.
D. Since when have ball locks become toys??? More lolololo!!!
E. The lame, lets cover the back third of the PF (since we’re too cheap to include a real mech) $10 screen, is in no one’s realm a “toy” or even a feature that anyone wants. Pinball has passed the gimmick second screen ages ago, when JJP dumped them after their 10 year ago offerings. Even Stern dumped the second useless screens too after Bat66 and SW.

Reality check: TS4 is a nice enough game for a little girl and her daddy to play, just as JJP depicted and marketed as such in their well done promo video. But it’s not much more than that.

My question to you is, why are most of your posts always bashing Stern games at any chance you get (except TMNT)? None of us hold stock in any of these companies. It’s not our school Alma Mater were discussing, its just a game. We are not picking on JJP, as I’ve purchased their games too. It was only when they released a game completely contrary to the original sales pitch of giving us all more for our hard earned dollars, is the real reason TS4 is plummeting in value everywhere. If this game would have been loaded like their first four it’d be a different conversation, even though priced way out of the stratosphere at $12k to $15k. But with the plummeting value, I get why you’re trying to pump it up for all its worth too, since you’re an owner now. Most all owners are going to do this, till they get so bored they on-sell it.

Here is the proof you seek. Checked with Alibaba, if bulked purchased they are $10 or lower depending on how many purchased.

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Here is what the OP Freak who started this thread originally said himself about the lack of ball mechs and how barren TS4 really is. He changed his tune because he traded for one….owners tend to do that. He showed the underside of TS4 in his post and had commented how empty the PF really is showing there’s not much there. Especially commenting in numerous other posts how its devoid of mechs. He got a fair amount of upvotes for blasting TS4s emptiness. Lol

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Lol, I’d have to look back, but the so called “commerical grade” one JJP used is even cheaper. Someone dug it up and showed the exact one with fittings and all for $10. Look at how OP Freak bashed that worthless screen relentlessly. Here’s more of his own words.

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Too funny!
The main and only guy I saw calling people names and directly PMing others, was the Freak himself. He directly PM’d me too. I did not respond in kind. I think he himself summed up this whole thread with his first impressions. (You know what they say about first impressions, they’re usually always right.)
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What happened here is Freak still doesn’t think the game is worth $16,500.00 with tax and shipping (or even $12k), but he does think its worth trading a game he only paid $7k for, less than half the price of TS4. Then he wanted to pump the value for all its worth after purchasing, because he will be selling it in the future, just as he’s done on most of his other JJP games. But he knows he only paid $7k for GB, so anything over that price he gets for TS4 is gravy. Actually very smart deal he made, even though it seems the GB trader got the better one. Good luck to you PanzerFreak. Lighten up and enjoy the forums no matter what. We are all in this together against all manufacturers trying to scalp us. Lol

Looking back thread: Freak was right on point in his observation on TS4 having no custom sculpts of any significance. He couldn’t believe JJP was so “cost cutting” in $12k to $15k machines to load them with inexpensive cake toppers.

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Back on this threads subject matter of the Freaks opinion about TS4. Here is another revealing first impression he had.
FB01B6B1-41EC-4879-A29E-1FCA4834A5C2.jpeg Freak like many of us, interested in TS 1-3. TS4, is an easy pass he indicated and especially with no toys to boot. “Just can’t love it at $12k”, he said.

Look man, not moot at all. First impressions are usually correct almost all of the time. That’s worth pointing out in the discussion. We can change our minds about things, if we are able to get a super deal and wish to pump our deal’s value up, even though we still feel inside the same way we did before. A super deal has the power to “change our minds” to our advantage, to want to promote, instead leaving that deal on a downward spiral that deal happens to be on now. We can all feel or even admit we were “wrong” when it suits our new objective/narrative better. That is what is happening here.

Good points!

Hillarious! Story 4, accurate title! That funny goes along with one of the Freaks best jokes…

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Nice opinion write up. Finding that rare person where TS4 lines up with their ideals is just what JJP wants. The main issue with most people that may also have some of this feeling is glaringly the extremely high price they’re charging. You could purchase two NIB IMDN style priced machines versus one TS4 to achieve your ideals in pinball and have two games instead of just one to enjoy.

Well you’d be correct not being able to compare WOZ with a Pro, but as numerous people have already pointed out, TS4’s accouterments are on par with a Pro. So the comparison, “I could have bought 2 NIB Stern pros” works. TS4’s now famous “bare PF” is what prompted people to post this meme (borrowed from TS4 hype thread):
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Well Spooky just closed down this threads theme by offering the opposite of empty TS4 CE for $15k, by actually selling a loaded Scooby Do CE for a mere $5,231.00 less money, at only $9,769! JJP you need to take lots of notes on how to do an animated theme, loaded with everything sans the 10” screen covering the back 1/3 of the PF, lol. Wow does this put in perspective the poor value of TS4 and cement the Freaks first impressions as being correct. And its widebody like WOZ, Hobbit and POTC no less.

But TS4 and Bond also have more than a grand for tax, fees and shipping.

Not a chance of being close. TS4 is almost empty with a $10 screen covering that back 1/3 of the PF and a cheaper subpar license from the TS franchise. Hence the real reason JJP chose it instead of 1-3. Spooky’s BOM is obviously much greater, as it has actual mechs all over the place and is a widebody. TS4 has almost none of that.

Had completely forgotten about this thread and now you resurrect it again, lol!

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Hooray! Our buddy Freak is back!! So happy, as you were the creator and star of this ultimate trollers show, making it such fun!!! We award you the best troller of all time award, topping any of our efforts.
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Well stated! We really saw how overpriced TS4 CE is, after the release of another CE pinball game Scooby Doo with many more features at a mere $5,231.00 less than JJPs outright fleecing with an almost empty PF no less.

Do remember what happened with HWN/ULtra, since I made a non-refundable deposit. They are not “fairly loaded” at all; name the mechs they have??? Not bias, as JJP does code most of their machines fairly deeply, but TS4 is the exception, being quite shallow. You’re right, we haven’t seen code/software design on SD yet. SD is being programmed by a total newbie, so that remains to be discovered.

We need only look to our thread leader’s own words….

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Via the Freak’s words: the code for TS4 is shallow “not deep enough”. Words written by you before you got a half price deal on a TS4 CE, lol So who exactly has zero credibility???

Well one point we both agree, TS4 is fun to play a few times at an arcade spending at most a couple of twenty's. Home ownership at $16,500.00 with tax and shipping, is the real question here….

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Agree with you. Stern is fleecing us too at $13K or $14,5k with tax and shipping. Way over priced and far beyond a decent dollar to value ratio. Stern not just JJP is guilty here too. Insane pricing is going to bite both Stern and JJP in 2023. Spooky, AP and CGC seem to be the only sensible companies left. I know I’m done with buying from both companies till they have to lower prices back to a reasonable level again, as if $10k was ever reasonable, lol.

Creative way to try and get MoonMuppet and me to back off your prior constant dissing and now praising of TS4. That is a trick only Kaneda would come up with. Are you corporate undercover or Kaneda arguing with himself, first bashing TS4 and now praising TS4, all under the guise of simply being “wrong and changing your mind”??? (Kaneda did after all make flip flop shoes with your account name on them and he hasn’t done that for any other individual? Hmmm, very forky Freak, lol.) Or was this all a sales/promo stunt to get us to buy the PanzerFreak flip flops?

Too comical Freak buddy, you’re referring to 2 posts, as 2 separate mechs. Never have heard of posts being labeled as mechs before. This is a first. It’s even comical you’re calling a 2x2 piece of plastic flap a mech. It’s part of the lane and no more a mech than the simple JP jump lane at the back of JP homepin Jack D designed into the layout. Quite similar to what Pat’s done on the super simple piece of plastic with Duke sticker, in the lane the ball rolls over. But do agree both Stern and JJP have priced themselves out of the market on most future pins, unless they actually give more like they did on LOTR, WOZ or our TMNTs.

LOL, love it Freak buddy! Hello McFly? (I don’t think so…) Seeking the Freak’s help on this one. Isn’t that 2 inch jump gap about the same dimensions as the 2 inch Duke flat plastic inline lane gap flap? Seems like a good comparison, but can see why you wouldn’t think so.

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Moonmuppet, one of the best memes ever! Lol (so right on point with how sad TS4 really is.)

Thanks again Freak for a discussion that proves all TS4 counter points so well! You’ve done a fine service for us all by saving our pocket books from tragedy!!

Glad to see you’re still here. It’s all in good fun, that’s what forums are all about. Like some JJP pins and others not so much. Feel the same about all the other companies too. It’s not a brand issue here, it’s per game critique. Think TS4 has had critique mainly related to being empty with outrageous pricing. After all, TS4 is fun to play.

(Funny meme btw, but please add PanzerFreak and your buddy Kaneda to the list. After all you two created the stylish PanzerFreak flip flops together. ) ((You know I own pins, as we talk as friends in the TMNT club. One of the best loaded pins ever! That’s why you purchased one too, value for money ratio is super on TMNT!))

Okay Freak, the jig is up, I purchased a TS4 for my baby’s nursery and 11 year old daughter to play. But since there’s not much in the game to keep them entertained, our baby hates the casino sounds and my daughter is bored out of her mind. Now I can’t get rid of it, unless I’m willing to take a friends pity offer of $6k for a $15k CE. He’s told me over and over there’s not much more there than a used pro, hence the fair price offer of $6k. What would you do Freak, if you were me?

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Too funny! Good one!!

Hmmm, “Stern’s look like Zizzles?” There you go again bashing and trolling Stern pins. Then we all play WOZ and quickly realize most all shots are straight up the middle, with the ball never touching most of the mechs. Then the ball gets lost all over the PF. Where did it go when it enters the right side? The lights are stunning first time seeing them, then you can’t figure out what to hit. Its best feature was price at $6500. I’ll take a chance on a TS4 CE at that price. Freak did get one at about that price, so good on you! TS4 shoots circles around WOZ.

You are completely obsessed Freak buddy. Do you ever give your mind a rest from promoting TS4? Over and over you never stop, lol. Do yourself a favor in 2023 and take a long break. Your TS4 will still be there and most of us will still know it’s an extremely overpriced game about toys that has no toys in it, with quite shallow code to boot. Relax Freak, just kick back and enjoy your game.