Toys / Mechs

Pop up jump ramp (not evening mentioning the entire landing area that is very well done with RGB lighting)
2 pop up Benson posts (very important to mention, don't forget this toy)
Spinning disk
Pop up character mech
Physical kickback (not virtual...)
Drop target
Physical ball lock
10" LCD

Other features

4 pop bumpers
JJP RGB hot rails

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I ate a lot of pizzas and ice cream during the pandemic so that works.

Of course it's a non event in that video, you can't even hear the game lol! I don't care how cool a toy is it's going to see lame when you can't even hear the audio from a poor audio recording at a bar with people screaming. My goodness.

Now check out the video below, where for one you can actually hear the audio, when Joe Katz hit's the Duke Kaboom shot a few times. Huge difference, very eventful. The video also shows JJP's attention to detail where the Duke Kaboom animation and audio changes each time the ramp is hit multiple times in a row.

Not sure what you mean by empty playfield. Did you see the points below I mentioned from the original post? Many of these items you can't see as they are under or flat on the playfield and then activate while in use. Also I don't find the game shallow at all, mentioned a few things about depth in the original post.

Toys / Mechs

Pop up jump ramp (not evening mentioning the entire landing area that is very well done with RGB lighting)
2 pop up Benson posts
Spinning disk
Pop up character mech
Physical kickback (not virtual...)
Drop target
Physical ball lock
10" LCD

Other features

4 pop bumpers
JJP RGB hot rails

Yeah, I traded a game with a good amount of value for the Toy Story. My thinking was my low play HUO Ghostbusters premium (no topper but lots of other mods) is worth $13k (maybe more, maybe less, just looked at market history), and a NIB Toy Story CE $13.5k - $14k so the trade was fair. I bought the Ghostbusters new back in 2017.

Right, there's different ways both good and bad that a game can be either easy or hard. Is the wizard mode in Toy Story 4 easier to reach then say Somewhere over the Rainbow or There and Back Again in Hobbit? Yes. Which wizard mode appears far more enjoyable to play? Toy Story's as there's actually multiple stages to it, many unique animations, two different paths, etc. As I mentioned before more coding effort went into Toy Story's wizard then most pins where all the balls are just dumped onto the playfield and you hit random jackpot shots to little mode choreography. Getting to the Toy Story's wizard mode isn't easy either, just more doable then the Somewhere over the Rainnow and Valinor style wizard modes. I don't think that's bad thing when there's plenty else to do in the game with multiballs, collecting characters, 11 carnival modes, and of course the 7 objectives just to attempt the wizard mode.

I put pop up posts under a list as toys / mechs. The pop up posts are a mech so what's your point? We are not talking about stationary posts. There's items in your Avengers premium that may be considered mechs over toys so again I don't see your point other then as with CrazyLevi you are purposely trying to be rude.

I was simply listing all the toys and mechs in the game, wow does that really upset all of the JJP haters off. Don't do as then their argument doesn't stick.

I would put all the mechs and toys in Toy Story 4 and say there's just more in it then Bond. A moving Bond on a stick toy, a vibrating rocket, and a vertical up kicker that goes through a plastic car. That's it, yup there's more in Toy Story.

People care about things that move and interactive with the ball in a pinball machine. I was simply listing pop up posts under toys / mechs. It's a mechanical feature of the game. There's a few people on here that don't want those items to be discussed as it goes against their argument of "There's no mechs in Toy Story" which is completely false.

I know Crazy, isn't a real kickback something? It must surprise you that your precious do not wrong Stern hasn't used one in a while. Do you think Stern could actually put a real kickback in a game again instead of cheapening out with virtual kickbacks?

No, flippers and slings are standard items in a game. How many games have non standard pop up posts in the middle of the playfield that are used with a jump ramp and others modes? Again it's not a standard item as with flippers, slings, standup targets, etc.

There's plenty of other items in the game, both feature, mech and software wise then a real kickback. Also, you may want to ask yourself what you are getting for $7k with a NIB Stern pro. When there's not much in the game other then ramps and orbits I wouldn't exactly be bragging about having "only" spent $6k. Pricing is crazy across all models from both Stern and JJP. The days of the old value argument are pretty much gone.

On a side note what is with your need to be consistently so rude to other Pinsiders? Why can't you just let people enjoy a game and praise it without attacking them? Good luck selling your Avengers, I would never deal with buying a game from someone who is so condescending and rude to fellow Pinside members. Be nice

Dude, I simply listed the pop up posts under toys / mechs, that's it lol. I know they are not some major feature. Also, it's not a standup post, please understand that

I never said pop up posts or a kickback are amazing features, they were just on a list with other features on the game. All I was trying to do was say that as a whole the game actually has a decent amount going on toy and mech wise. Is Toy Story 4 some ultra loaded game? No, I know that but at the same time it isn't anywhere close to the bare game that some people on here make it out to be. That's it.

You are lying through your teeth about everything you wrote. Better read your own reply again. If you and others are allowed to go on and on about why you hate the game then you need to also be cool with others saying why they enjoy it.

Crazy, I made a thread saying what I liked about the game as I too was very down on the game at first, until I actually played and now own one. I wasn't going into a coil counting debate so just stop, I never mentioned anything about coil counts. I simply listed toys / mechs and how most of them are under the playfield when not in use which does make the game appear a bit empty compared to when they are used. That's it Crazy, why do you have to attack and insult me over that?

Your attacks on me and other Pinsiders are not just limited to this thread. I remember when you pulled this same crap when I was simply mentioning how part of the reason I enjoy the Hobbit so much is because my Uncle and I, who I mentioned has since passed way, saw all the movies together. You went low then just as you are doing now. Again LOW and now you are trying to spread more lies.

I don't care about winning any arguments as I know yourself and a few others on here will never like JJP games and clearly hate the company. It's the same old crap from you and those few others for years. This thread was made to provide some thoughts about enjoying a pinball machine and of course you had to come in here and be rude.

Yes you are attacking me personally. You are not calling me out on anything Crazy as I never once mentioned a thing about coil counts. I listed features of the game for the purpose of realizing that most of the toys and mechs in Toy Story are under the playfield. That's it! Why do you have to keep going on about this?

Also, I've bought multiple NIB Stern's over the years so your argument again holds no merit. Stern makes fun pinball machines and I'll continue to buying them.

Finally, not did I once say why Toy Story 4 is worth $12k - $15k. As I mentioned multiple times the days of value comparing are long gone as these NIB from both Stern and JJP have reached insanity levels.

No, what is low is you not allowing someone to simply praise a pinball machine after they mentioned how my uncle and I saw and enjoyed the movies together. You couldn't help yourself then and had to be condescending and rude just as you are now. That's low.

Crazy and I are out of Pinside jail. We need to talk about toys and mechs for this game as a select few are clearly just trying to do a smear campaign against this pin.

The people that despise Toy Story and or JJP keep saying that Toy Story has no toys. This is completely false. I'll post my original list once again, the same list Kaneda copied and pasted to say that Toy Story has no toys...A pop up jump ramp is a toy, the spinning disk is a toy, the pop up character mech is a toy. Now any toy may also be considered a mech if it moves, that's why I listed the items below as toys / mechs. The 10" LCD like it or not is a toy as its interacts with the player to provide rules, animations, and isn't just slapped on there but presented in a powder coated bezel with RGB LED's surrounding it. People for years have listed the mini LCD's Hobbit, Ghostbusters, and Star Wars as toys so I'm sorry even if you dislike Toy Story pinball the 10" LCD is a toy. If you say the spinning disk in Whirlwind, TMNT, Xmen, and JJP Pirates is a toy then yes the spinning disk in Toy Story is also a toy.

As for the two pop up Benson posts they are not stationary posts, they are in the middle of the game and interact with the jump ramp as well as game modes. Did I list the other two slightly different style pop up posts to stop and lock balls on the left side of the playfield? No as that's a minor item, same goes for standard items on a pin such as spinners which I didn't mention. Speaking of spinners, if you say Toy Story has no toys then don't go bragging in Stern threads about spinners on a game being a toy, can't have it both ways.

Toys / Mechs

Pop up jump ramp (not evening mentioning the entire landing area that is very well done with RGB lighting)
2 pop up Benson posts
Spinning disk
Pop up character mech
Physical kickback (not virtual...)
Drop target
Physical ball lock
10" LCD

Other features

4 pop bumpers
JJP RGB hot rails

Crazy, just have to say I'm glad Toy Story 4 has a physical ball lock, something you mentioned as a relic of the past. More games should have physical ball locks, a good number of modern Stern's do which is great to see.

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You won't, the usual JJP bashers won't criticize Stern's actions for charging $13k for Bond LE which is when you will see their bias. That's been going on for years here with past titles. Same goes for Bond 60th which will likely have minimal mechs / toys and cost a fortune, that's fine too.

I won't defend JJP's pricing as it's out of control as well. Some people are suggesting I'm price pumping to sell the game or something but I traded a Stern Ghostbusters premium for a Toy Story CE simply because I wanted something new and as with Ghostbusters plan to keep Toy Story for years. There's no value argument to be made anymore as pricing has reached insanity levels from both companies.

Crazy, this will be my last reply ever to you. You did make things personal, just read your comments below. While I may disagree with opinions I'll never insult someone or make up false statements about them. Just try being nicer to people. Goodbye.

"I know it's his instinct to endlessly harp on "toys" and "features;" 10 years of nonstop JJP toadery will do that, and it's all he's ever brought to any game discussion."

"correction: steaming pile of flop with FOUR pops and TWO moving posts"

"Your list is pathetic. It’s a $12,000 game."

"I’ll just trade it for some other $6,000 stern pro without a kickback (just like I traded an AIQ for this) while you are stuck with a boat anchor."

"Man, dragging your dead uncle into this, once again, is FUCKING LOW."

Yup. Godzilla is awesome, may consider trading or selling Hobbit for one.

Exactly, the two Benson pop up posts and the jump ramp are separate mechs...or should I say toys and really upset someone?!

Some thoughts on rules.

As a fan of deep rules I've been enjoying Toy Story 4's ruleset. It's nice having a game where there's a set of clearly laid out objective (7 scenes in this case) that can be played / completed in any order. The 7 scenes to light the wizard mode are no easy task and I say that as a decent to average pinball player. I think I've only completed one or two scenes so far. On my game I've turned down the unlimited kickback setting and disabled ball save to increase the challenge but I'm not sure if that's needed long term, will see. Besides the 7 modes there's a ton of other stuff to do such as playing through 11 carnival modes, earning wheel awards (mini wizard more for that) and 6 multiball modes. The 10" LCD does come in handy for all modes and is easier to reference while playing the game versus looking up at the main display.

As for the wizard mode I learned today in the owners thread some details about the Buzz and Woody path's. Apparently once the 7 scenes are played you can choose what wizard mode path you want to play, either Buzz or Woody. As previously mentioned there's multiple stages for the wizard mode but I'll wait to see those for myself one day as I don't want to spoil anything. Going after the second wizard path increases the difficulty of the 7 scenes.

Overall I'm enjoying the ruleset more in Toy Story then some of my other JJP pins including Wonka and GNR. The rulesets in those games are fun but there's just something about how everything is so open, approachable, and having goals clearly laid out on the 10" LCD that is giving the ruleset in Toy Story the edge. If there's anything I would change with the game software wise at this point it would be the repetitive and too laid back song that plays during some carnival modes (just use it for one or two modes, create others) and adding a second mini wizard mode for completing a certain number or all carnival modes.

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Here's the details from explosiveegg in the owners thread. Sounds cool how there's two paths and that the player is given a choice of which one to play.

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Thanks. Well I think I'll be keeping the Hobbit lol. It is a fun game with one hell of a deep ruleset.

You are really reaching just to bash this game lol. You can miss the hole in the back as you first have to make the jump ramp shot, plus there are misses on the ramp where the ball falls off of it. Do you want the ball to go flying off and break something on a $12k - $15k game? I don't lol. The TS4 jump ramp is an event with multiple sounds, animations, and even topper integration on the CE. I'm finding the shot rather challenging to even hit, you have little time to even make the shot and get only one chance to do so. Plus the entire landing area is great with the RGB lit sign. It's a very satisfying shot to attempt to make IMO.

Lol wrong once again! Loving Toy Story 4, what a blast, including the amazing jump ramp with Benson posts It turns out that a jump ramp combined with modern RGB lighting, sounds, and HD 3D animations is really satisfying.

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Oh that’s fine, as I said modern RGB lighting, high quality audio, actual HD 3D animations, and two Benson posts make it one hell of a satisfying shot. The landing area is nice too which also features RGB lighting. Thankfully Toy Story has multiple other features and a modern day ruleset, animations, etc that IMO blows NGG out of the water.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone! I’m very thankfully for all of the toys and mechs below on Toy Story lol.

Pop up jump ramp (not evening mentioning the entire landing area that is very well done with RGB lighting)
2 pop up Benson posts
Spinning disk
Pop up character mech
Physical kickback (not virtual...)
Drop target
Physical ball lock
10" LCD
Other features
4 pop bumpers
JJP RGB hot rails

We save that for the Stern threads along with “Dual action super spinner with 3D rotation”.

Nah that was never in my original list. I think that landing area with the RGB lighting is just cool, more of a feature if even that than a toy. Keep trying to make stuff up though!

ThunderTurd I was just making a thread to honestly compliment the game and say how I was wrong about a number of things. It’s easy to bash a game when all you look at are pictures and even play it on location where at the time I could barely hear it.

I’m more then happy with my trade What’s odd is you were actual decent to me in the TMNT owners thread but once its a JJP thread you are back to your old ways.

My goodness this thread has been great to see a select few have an absolute meltdown over someone saying why they enjoy a game. Just damn lol.

Only a JJP thread does this ever happen in. A thread to bash a game is fine but compliment it? Oh no you don’t. Thank goodness for the ignore feature.

Yeah so? The landing area is well done and detailed IMO. Are you that bored that you have to try arguing about every little thing I say and even make up comments that I never said?

and there it is!

This thread has once again brought the worst of the worst JJP haters out. It’s one thing to offer criticism but then another to relentlessly bash someone’s opinion and be insulting. Not surprised though.

A jump ramp is a toy, a spinning disk is a toy, a pop up character mech is a toy. Other items such as the Benson posts, physical ball lock, kickback, and the new 10” LCD can fall under features. They are part of the game so deal with it. You can keep acting as if they don’t exist but that won’t change reality lol. Now there’s a mic drop for a ya

Also, why are most of your posts in threads bashing JJP games? Hmmm.

I mean Bond is pretty bad now as it’s on what .50 code? I sure hope it does it improve but Stern should be embarrassed with the state they released the game in. There’s also no guarantee how good the code will actually be. Godzilla was much further along code wise at launch. No matter what someone’s opinion is on Toy Story the code was pretty much complete at launch which is nice to see. JJP has been releasing games with more complete code for a few years now.

In terms of mechs and toys for Bond there’s a vibrating rocket, the moving Bond on a stick (probably the best toy in the game), and a VUK that goes through a car roof. Toy Story while no Godzilla or WOZ in terms of mechs at least has more IMO compared to Bond.

I see that Kaneda is now trying to publicly mock me on his Facebook page... I’ve been a supporter of his Patreon for months but will now cancel. Also stepping away from Pinside after receiving personal attacks. All over creating a thread to say why I like a game after I initially didn’t. I don’t need to deal with this, have enough going on in my life including two family members with terminal illnesses. For those that did offer constructive feedback and criticism thank you. I know it’s only a select few that ruin things.

Also, if you are reading this Kaneda I listed pop up posts under toys / mechs. Those are the two pop up Benson posts next to the jump ramp, not stationary posts or the two other pop up posts on the game that I didn’t list.

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I want to thank you both for keeping this thread alive and well in my absence with some of the best trolling Pinside has seen in years. You guys kept the false truths, putdowns, and more up over these past two weeks and I commend you both for it. I mean Thunderbird you even said while I was gone that I bought Toy Story 4 CE just to sell like my other JJP pins. I've bought every JJP pin, have only sold Dialed In and Pirates and today own 5 JJP's but I mean yeah that's another excellent troll comment. Congratulations, here is a special certificate for you both!

With that being said I'll be posting a new Toy Story 30 day review thread soon, trigger warning a list of toys and mechs will likely be included. Also, what are the toys on Scooby Doo? You can't say a spinning disk, and jump ramp are not toys and at the same time say a plastic vibrating bobble head and ball locks are toys lol. I see what what you guys are doing Again great work, bravo for a great performance, keep it going!

Now I need to get back to playing some Toy Story 4 in my new custom PanzerFreak flip flops made by Kaneda himself, very comfy.

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Lol thank you!

Thank you. I certainty missed Pinside with the time away but it was needed.

I know I'm asking for it but my original list of toys / mechs has been re-added to the first post.

Yeah, I get the complaints about it as it takes up an area that is usually reserved for a larger mech on a pin. At these prices I would much rather have a mech in the display area but like you said the display does a good job of providing useful gameplay information. In Toy Story the "mini" display size is used well in that there are many custom animations that interact with the modes. For example one carnival mode has the player popping balloons that match up to shots and the entire display is filled with them, they pop as you make the shots, etc.

You are so right my trolling friend, I can’t believe I didn’t see it before. I’ve seen the light! I’m burning my Toy Story 4 CE tonight as firewood! Thank you for the valuable insight after seeing Scooby Doo in person and playing it.

The plastic Scooby Doo head is a toy but a pop up ramp with two raising posts is nothing. I got it! I understand! Toy Story 4 is firewood tonight. Hell I’m going to go run over the CE topper with my truck right now.

LOL! That gave me a good laugh.

For m00npuppet, Thunderbird, and Kaneda

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I'm not sure, maybe. From what I've seen every time the jump ramp is activated the Benson posts go up. There is a Benson mode where the posts activate independently and I believe drop from a ball hit.

There’s multiple toys and mechs in Toy Story, you just refuse to acknowledge them and instead focus on a one inch plastic Scooby Doo in a barrel toy that doesn’t interact with the ball.

You can’t sit here and ignore the Gabby Gabby mech (that actually interacts with the ball and is substantially larger then the Scooby barrel toy you mentioned), the spinning wheel, the jump ramp, etc and yet tout Scooby Do as being some crazy loaded game. That type of reasoning just doesn’t make sense.

I agree that the cake toppers are stupid considering the price of the game. I would much rather have preferred a few higher quality custom molds in the game. For representing the characters they are fine though, it’s similar to the figures stuck around LOTR. It would be easier to stomach if the price of the game was $11k / $13k depending on the model.

In regards to comparing a JJP game to a Spooky game I would say they are in entirely different categories. JJP’s are generally higher quality, feature far more advanced tech, have higher quality animations, significantly more software / code, and overall have better playfield designs. These are just my opinions and I know everyone will not agree. There’s a reason JJP’s cost more in my mind. Hell they hired Tim Allen, Annie Potts, and Tom Hanks brother to do custom callouts for Toy Story 4. I wouldn’t be surprised if the licensing and software development costs for Toy Story 4 is at least several times that of Scooby Doo’s. All of those items add to a cost of a game.

Also, I wouldn’t count your chickens before they hatch considering how Spookys last two releases went. Hopefully the game turns out great and plays well. It looks cool.

I agree it’s not cool to do. However, there are a few people on here that don’t own any pins and yet they love to trash others games that people bought. At that point it’s fair game to provide some criticism.

As others have said there’s often more credibility given to people who actually buy games and then voice their opinions versus those who don’t and then just bash.

You are too late, nice try though

Hope it’s better than Halloween and Ultra Man which seem fairly loaded. Remember what happened there?

What exactly are these many more features you speak of? Not seeing them. Keep trying Scooby looks cool but you can’t tout its features and then ignore everything, including code and software design, on Toy Story…it shows your bias.

There's a lot in Halloween and Ultra Man, multiple upper playfields, those two mechs that raise the balls to the flippers, drop targets, 4 ramps, and multiple 3D molds. If those two games are loaded then then why are they not universally acclaimed and soaring in value? I've only played an Ultra Man and actually enjoyed it.

Toy's Story's ruleset is IMO deeper (and more enjoyable) then Guns n Roses which I also own. How can that be when Guns n Roses has 20+ song modes? The modes in Toy Story 4 are all fairly unique, there's 7 approachable yet challenging tasks to attempt the wizard mode, there's 11 carnival modes, there's 6 multiball modes with various depth (Carnival multiball), most of the modes are more objective based then those in Guns n Roses which pretty much all play the same (besides the album modes), and there's two paths to the wizard mode which features multiple stages and a variety of custom animations. Does that sound shallow to you? Probably yes as you have a personal vendetta against the game lol but for the majority of the rest of the pinball community no. I'm sure some will disagree with my reasons, totally cool of course, but these are just my opinions.

Also, I know you enjoy TMNT as you post in the owners thread (where you acted completely different and were actually decent to others). I owned a TMNT Premium for over a year and while that game is deep I would say that Toy Story is the deeper game (reasons above) IMO.

You can stop the act and charades anytime now. Everyone knows what you and Muppet have been doing by now, it's over.

Did you not see the name of this thread? It's titled "I was wrong about Toy Story 4, what a great pin". You can post all day long what I said about the game before I saw it in person, before I played it in a setting where it was setup properly, and when I played a game or two in a setting where it was hard to hear everything going on. My comments on the ruleset at the time were based on what others said who didn't even play the game lol, how could I honestly say the ruleset is shallow when I didn't even give the game a chance? Again...I was wrong.

I honesty don't know what you are trying to do at this point. This thread is an example that you can't really judge a game before you play it. It's easy to bash a game based on pictures and YouTube videos alone which is what I did. Same thing happens all the time with other games, it's not good to do. Others will still dislike a pin even after they played it which is normal. Is Toy Story 4 the greatest pin or hell even in the top 10 pins ever made? No but do I find it fun? Yes, that's all I've been trying to say this entire time.

Again the name of this thread is "I was wrong about Toy Story 4, what a great pin"...So what's your point?

A lot of people don’t pay sales tax and then maybe $200 - $300 for shipping right? For some reason you love to to tack these values on for JJP pins but then forget them for all other titles as if they are excluded. That behavior is trollish lol, can’t have it both ways.

This thread for me was never really about value, I made a trade for the game that both the seller and I thought was fair. The value argument is hard to make today due to insane pricing. I’ve mentioned a few times though how I think Toy Story 4 is over priced. Same now goes for Stern LE’s at $13k. Pricing is just nuts across the board. We can’t play the game anymore either of “Oh Stern charges $13k, so JJP needs to charge more” or vice versa as that’s what got us here in the first place.

You have some very odd views. Are you, Thunderbird, and that JimWet guy all really Kaneda and using a VPN to post?

Lol good troll attempt. Have you seen and played Scooby Doo? Scooby looks decent so far (want to play one once available) but JJP's are on another level IMO (not just mechs / toy but code, animations, sound, etc). I would be thrilled if Spooky proved me wrong with this release, Ultra Man and Halloween sure didn't...

To be fair you are posting a picture of an upper playfield with a vibrating plastic bobble head and then comparing it to just the playfield LCD in Toy Story. What are the other features in Scooby besides the vibrating plastic head and drop targets? There's the 1" Scooby toy that pops up and doesn't interact with the ball. How does the code, animation quality, audio, and ruleset design compare to JJP pins? That's part of what you are paying for as well. Is the topper as substantial and interactive as the one in Toy Story? There's a lot that goes into a pinball machine and it's cost which of course you don't mention as you are simply trolling. Scooby does have some nice custom 3D molds, wish Toy Story had those (it should considering the price).

Here's a picture for you featuring 4 separate mechs. Let's call it Pinball for your case That 10" LCD is really useful though. For the Pinside record I wouldn't pay $15k today for Toy Story CE or any pin (or $13k for a Stern LE), JJP missed the mark a bit on pricing with this one. Scooby looks like a good amount of game for the price.

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My goodness you have lost it if you are down playing the jump ramp, ridiculous and once again shows your trollish behavior. You honestly don’t even know how a jump ramp works and what’s involved to make such a device work. I don’t think you even know what you are talking about anymore lol. Please seek help.

As for the posts they move with solenoids, it’s a mech, sorry deal with it There’s a couple others in the game off to the side but I didn’t mention those…

Here’s your the “jump ramp” you are talking about in Jurassic Park home edition…An orbit where the ball falls off a 2” inch gap to the rest of the orbit…There’s no mech or anything involved lol.

Again please seek help, you’ve gone off the deep end. Thank you so much for posting those comments LOL.

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My doctor has advised me to stop responding to you two for my own health. With that I leave you with this.

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Do either of you own any pins or do you take the JimWet approach and try to $hit on everyone else’s purchases (primarily JJP’s)? Generally curious as that’s how your comments come across.

Keep trying with the troll attempts though Really good efforts, you may get a Twipy troll of the year award for it. Troll brothers for life! This one is going to be close.

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Once again you are taking the primary toy in one game, one with very little code and that hasn't been implemented since Road Show, and comparing it to a rather basic secondary feature on a modern game? Again, everyone see's what you are doing. Of course you didn't mention anything else Toy Story has. Funhouse has Rudy, the trap door and...that's it. Oh a basic ruleset, forgot that. It's a fun classic game (I enjoy playing it on my VPIN) but not really comparable to a modern pin with multiple features, lighting advancements, significantly deeper code, etc. Another good troll attempt.

What did Toy Story do to you and Thunderbird? Is there something you are not telling us? Did you secretly buy one and it landed on you while bringing it down the basement?

I think I see your problem, you bought a knock off called Yot Yrots 4. That's your problem, you need to read the description before you click the buy button.

I played a Godzilla premium on location that got a stuck ball. I guess it’s a terrible game now, same with the other dozen or so games I’ve played on location over the years that got a stuck ball.

Funny as I've had a Wonka for about a year and have had a stuck ball once or twice in maybe 300 plays. Everyone's experience is different. Is there now a design flaw in Wonka because of the stuck balls on my game? I've hit the jump ramp a good number of times on Toy Story, have never had an issue, not seeing anything in the owners thread either. There isn't a design flaw. Maybe the game wasn't leveled correctly, maybe it wasn't cleaned in x number of plays, maybe something with the mech needs to be adjusted or maybe just like with pinball a random stuck ball happens every once and a while lol. There's a ton of different reasons.

What you are trying to do is act as if there's now a design flaw based on a single on location stuck ball incident...Based on your previous comments about Toy Story it just comes across as another attempt to unfairly bash the game.

I understand you don't like it, cool, same with others that don't. That's normal for any game. I just personally wouldn't say a single on location ball stuck incident = a design flaw. That's not true for Toy Story or any game. Once again there's our Wonka examples.

Lol. Oh with a Stern game that’s just a simple stuck ball but with a JJP game it’s a design flaw…I swear some people here still have it out for JJP. It all stems back to JJP making Stern pins look like Zizzles when they released WOZ, a few are still bitter for whatever reason.

Sounds like you don’t know what you are talking about with WOZ either. Damn lol. I’m not even wasting my time debating with you, would be similar to debating with a rock.

You clearly don’t know what you are talking about when you say all of WOZ’s shots are up the middle and there’s nothing to the sides. What about the crystal ball VUK and Oz saucer shots to the sides? Then there’s multiple shots between both mini playfields. The ball doesn’t touch the mechs? Again what are you smoking? There’s the monkey mech, two mini playfields, magnets, etc. I’ve owned a WOZ ECLE since 2013 so don’t even waste your time posting your false comments, I’ll call out your crap every time just like with Toy Story.

Just stop Thunderbird. Please, for everyone’s mental health on this site just stop with your nonsense. Your hate for JJP is on display front and center.

Merry Christmas.

Well well well, what do we have here. (yes just making a joke)

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That's for sure, I don't know even know how to describe today's pricing anymore. I'm calling it the Captain Insano pricing era.

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From the Bond 60th thread, just wanted to post this here after all the crap TS got on launch day over the price (which yes at $12k / $15k is still nuts). It's clear which title was designed to create the largest profit margin...

People can say whatever they want about Toy Story 4 CE (using it as an example due to the debate about the price) but like it or not at least it actually has "higher end" features such as RadCal's, the playfield sparkle, art blades from the factory, a mirrored backglass, a custom molded shooter knob versus a sticker, a high quality metallic powder coat, matching powder coated interior pieces, signatures from the entire design team, a significantly more substantial topper, etc. There's nothing really like that in Bond 60th and it cost $5k more at $20k...Charge $15k, $20k, whatever but at least make it somewhat come across as a high end item. Where's the foil decals that Stern has used before, the higher end powder coat (Batman 66 SLE), and a more substantial topper (Batman 66, Black Knight SOR)?

What are you trying to say?! Just joking lol. It's 2023, time for new beginnings, let the Toy Story bashing and hate flow (and I'll do a better job of ignoring it).

Nice pickup! Wish I had some room for some EM's, they are fun to play.

Looks like a very nice location, excellent lineup!

I wouldn't count on it but hopefully someday. JJP hasn't released a single public code update (beyond some initial updates for TS) in over a year. Code being released publicly by JJP has become like the chocolate factory in Willy Wonka...no one goes in, no one comes out lol. It's been frustrating to see as a customer when Stern meanwhile is cranking out the updates for multiple titles. Pirates still doesn't have it's final wizard mode advertised on the game and that was announced around 5 years ago...

What is there in terms of TS code is pretty good, offers a fair amount of depth, and feels fairly complete IMO. Some improvements to sound (plus different music for some of the carnival music that is repetitive), along with a couple more modes and or hooks would be nice to see. Hopefully there will be a 2.0 style update. As Zach mentioned in his recent SDTM video releasing more code is a quick and "easy" way to increase sales.

Yeah one of best ways to get one now is to get a deal. I figured my Ghostbusters premium (no topper) was worth right around $13k based on historical data so trading for a NIB Toy Story CE seemed fair with the initial hit it's taken on the secondary market. Both myself and who I traded with felt it was fair. I did have a chance to trade Ghostbusters for a NIB Toy Story LE but held off in hope for a CE trade.

Sorry to hear about the loss of your dad. Welcome back. That is one heck of a beautiful lineup! Wow.

Yeah I get those points. Regarding the theme once you are playing the game it feels like a generic Toy Story game versus just Toy Story 4, I still wish the first 3 films were incorporated with movie callouts from those. The custom Tim Allen and Annie Pots callouts help it feel more just about Toy Story in general.

High price? Yeah it is. I could sit here and say that Stern LE's are now $13k and typically come with less overall but there's really no point at these insane prices. The value argument is gone. The CE though does look beautiful though, one of the nicest pins I've seen in person with the extra features and substantial topper. There's still some NIB CE's out there at around $13k, that's probably the best "value" for a newer game with everything it comes with.

As for the code simplicity I would say Toy Story 4 has good depth and a more approachable objective based ruletset. I own some other deep JJP pins (Hobbit and WOZ) and find Toy Story 4's ruleset to offer plenty to do, just check out the rules diagram. I like that there's these 7 objectives, that can be done in any order, to attempt the wizard mode and then there's two paths within the wizard mode itself which also has multiple stages. I'm a decent player and have only lit I think 3 of the 7 mode inserts (I do have ball save turned off). Besides that there's still I think 6 multiballs and 11 carnival modes. The carnival modes and character multiball interact with each other in a way to add a good amount of depth as well. Plus there's the whole wheel award system and the objectives from that.

Hopefully JJP does add some more code though, as Zach from SDTM said it's an "easy" way to increase sales and value. Same goes for nearly every game.

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Zach from SDTM regarding Toy Story 4 “You can’t talk about that game” lol.

This is a thread about Toy Story 4 pinball so yeah comments involving praise and criticism are to be expected.

Glad I never saw the comment but I have a few good guesses of who it could be lol. It's not worth the time arguing with some people.

It looks like another new pin is going to leverage a pop up post as a mech Hopefully Kaneda and others who bashed the Benson pop up posts don't call this one a mech, or toy lol.

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Yup, a standard up down post, TS4 has at least one like that too outside of the main playfield.

What's the other stuff Godfather has as I'm not seeing it? Please don't start listing divertors. There's the moving Gangster which doesn't interact with the ball and then the spinning disk below it. So Godfather has a small spinning disk under the Gangster while TS4 has a larger spinning disk, a pop up character mech, a jump ramp that comes out of the playfield, a real kick back, and yeah the 10" LCD. Not much in Godfather sadly in terms of toys. Nice to see it has some actual custom molds.

As I was replying to the clear "But it's got enough stuff in it they don't have to list it as a feature" jab lol.

Oh no, the internet grammar police are here! I know as someone else actually messaged me about just that of all things lol. Not updating the meme, let the poor grammar flow.

I have nothing against Godfather, game looks cool.

Dude, you have a Bond 60th. Do you really want to talk about empty games? Lol.Godfather and Toy Story have about 3-5x the stuff as that game for a much lower cost.

Also, just stop with the “basically nothing in them” crap comments about Toy Story and Godfather. Toy Story 4 has a jump ramp that pops up out of the damn playfield with two interactive Benson posts next to it, a physical ball lock, a real kickback (no fake virtual kickback like modern Sterns), large spinning disk, a 10” LCD, and a large character pop up mech. So yes, stop, it’s time. Same goes to the other usual naysayers.

I picked up a Toy Story CE about 1 year ago. The game continues to be one of the most played games in my collection, Godzilla premium (sold Hobbit for it), is giving it a run for it's money. Overall I appreciate the game more today then I did back then due to the ruleset design and fun factor.

It's interesting how Toy Story got so much hate at the start for a lack of mech and toys yet now a year later it looks more loaded then a good chunk of newer pins, especially JJP's past two releases. When you thinking about it the jump ramp in Toy Story is the last truly interactive mech / toy (that the player interacts with the ball) from JJP. Godfather and Elton John don't have anything like that.

Now if only JJP could add another mode or two and polish / complete code for Pirates and GNR.

Interesting!

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Agree, amazing game