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Flip-flop: I was wrong about Toy Story 4 - what a great pin - initial thoughts

By PanzerFreak

1 year ago


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#651 1 year ago

I think Bond 60th SLE made talking about TS4 a moot thing. I seriously think anyone who bought TS4 and passed on Bond 60th made the best decision. I really was down on TS4 until seeing that, and the real winner in my book is the guy who bought TS4 and a Premium GG Bond and passed on the flatwood.

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#652 1 year ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Yeah I get those points. Regarding the theme once you are playing the game it feels like a generic Toy Story game versus just Toy Story 4, I still wish the first 3 films were incorporated with movie callouts from those. The custom Tim Allen and Annie Pots callouts help it feel more just about Toy Story in general.
High price? Yeah it is. I could sit here and say that Stern LE's are now $13k and typically come with less overall but there's really no point at these insane prices. The value argument is gone. The CE though does look beautiful though, one of the nicest pins I've seen in person with the extra features and substantial topper. There's still some NIB CE's out there at around $13k, that's probably the best "value" for a newer game with everything it comes with.
As for the code simplicity I would say Toy Story 4 has good depth and a more approachable objective based ruletset. I own some other deep JJP pins (Hobbit and WOZ) and find Toy Story 4's ruleset to offer plenty to do, just check out the rules diagram. I like that there's these 7 objectives, that can be done in any order, to attempt the wizard mode and then there's two paths within the wizard mode itself which also has multiple stages. I'm a decent player and have only lit I think 3 of the 7 mode inserts (I do have ball save turned off). Besides that there's still I think 6 multiballs and 11 carnival modes. The carnival modes and character multiball interact with each other in a way to add a good amount of depth as well. Plus there's the whole wheel award system and the objectives from that.
Hopefully JJP does add some more code though, as Zach from SDTM said it's an "easy" way to increase sales and value. Same goes for nearly every game.
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You are completely obsessed Freak buddy. Do you ever give your mind a rest from promoting TS4? Over and over you never stop, lol. Do yourself a favor in 2023 and take a long break. Your TS4 will still be there and most of us will still know it’s an extremely overpriced game about toys that has no toys in it, with quite shallow code to boot. Relax Freak, just kick back and enjoy your game.

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#653 1 year ago
Quoted from Thunderbird:

You are completely obsessed Freak buddy. Do you ever give your mind a rest from promoting TS4? Over and over you never stop, lol. Do yourself a favor in 2023 and take a long break. Your TS4 will still be there and most of us will still know it’s an extremely overpriced game about toys that has no toys in it, with quite shallow code to boot. Relax Freak, just kick back and enjoy your game.

Toxic stuff my man... lots of energy put into shitting on someone else's happiness. Pat yourself on the back.

#654 1 year ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

I think it boils down to 3 things
- It's only Toy Story 4
- High Price
- Simplicity of code

hot take!

#655 1 year ago
Quoted from GeekedOnPinball:

Toxic stuff my man... lots of energy put into shitting on someone else's happiness. Pat yourself on the back.

Glad I never saw the comment but I have a few good guesses of who it could be lol. It's not worth the time arguing with some people.

1 month later
#656 1 year ago

It looks like another new pin is going to leverage a pop up post as a mech Hopefully Kaneda and others who bashed the Benson pop up posts don't call this one a mech, or toy lol.

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#657 1 year ago

it needs a clever name like Benson posts

I suggest the Fo-bar. Better name than deadpost

#658 1 year ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

It looks like another new pin is going to leverage a pop up post as a mech Hopefully Kaneda and others who bashed the Benson pop up posts don't call this one a mech, or toy lol.
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It's a cool implementation in FF, but not a toy/mech in my book

5 months later
#659 10 months ago

This game is simply fun and awesome and killer code too by Joe Katz

#660 10 months ago

Inflation wrecks this argument. It’s not apples to apples.

Quoted from musketd:

This game is simply fun and awesome and killer code too by Joe Katz

Agreed…I recently got a CE, it’s a smooth shooter, I like it better than Wonka

#661 10 months ago

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#662 10 months ago

Benson posts vs dangle post

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#663 10 months ago
Quoted from TreyBo69:

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Lol , it's actually got a "Benson" post just to the left , under the ramp that goes up and down .
But it's got enough stuff in it they don't have to list it as a feature

#664 10 months ago
Quoted from screaminr:

Lol , it's actually got a "Benson" post just to the left , under the ramp that goes up and down .
But it's got enough stuff in it they don't have to list it as a feature

Yup, a standard up down post, TS4 has at least one like that too outside of the main playfield.

What's the other stuff Godfather has as I'm not seeing it? Please don't start listing divertors. There's the moving Gangster which doesn't interact with the ball and then the spinning disk below it. So Godfather has a small spinning disk under the Gangster while TS4 has a larger spinning disk, a pop up character mech, a jump ramp that comes out of the playfield, a real kick back, and yeah the 10" LCD. Not much in Godfather sadly in terms of toys. Nice to see it has some actual custom molds.

#665 10 months ago

Don’t sell the Benson post short, it also detects hits unlike an uppost

#666 10 months ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

What's the other stuff Godfather has as I'm not seeing it? Please don't start listing divertors.

Why do you care?

If you like your game, just like it.
Godfather existing in the world does not threaten that.

#667 10 months ago
Quoted from zaphX:

Why do you care?
If you like your game, just like it.
Godfather existing in the world does not threaten that.

As I was replying to the clear "But it's got enough stuff in it they don't have to list it as a feature" jab lol.

#668 10 months ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

As I was replying to the clear "But it's got enough stuff in it they don't have to list it as a feature" jab lol.

Mate , you were the one who posted the stupid meme which isn't even worded properly .
And yes , the Godfather has more in it than Toy Story , look at the feature Matrix , I can't be bothered typing all of the features .
You got upset when everyone said there was nothing in Toy Story and now you're trying to do the same to The Godfather ?
I've got nothing against Toy Story but if it makes you feel better trying to shit on the Godfather good for.you .

#669 10 months ago
Quoted from screaminr:

Mate , you were the one who posted the stupid meme which isn't even worded properly .
And yes , the Godfather has more in it than Toy Story , look at the feature Matrix , I can't be bothered typing all of the features .
You got upset when everyone said there was nothing in Toy Story and now you're trying to do the same to The Godfather ?
I've got nothing against Toy Story but if it makes you feel better trying to shit on the Godfather good for.you .

Oh no, the internet grammar police are here! I know as someone else actually messaged me about just that of all things lol. Not updating the meme, let the poor grammar flow.

I have nothing against Godfather, game looks cool.

#670 10 months ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Oh no, the internet grammar police are here!

The worst

#671 10 months ago

What the fuck is this mess in here?

Go outside and stop squabbling over a fucking Benson, or whatever, post. You guys argue over the weirdest, dumbest shit possible....for MONTHS.

#672 10 months ago

In ref to godfather having less in it…….

Both are massive disappointments with basically nothing in them. End this thread.

#673 10 months ago
Quoted from PoMC:

What the fuck is this mess in here?
Go outside and stop squabbling over a fucking Benson, or whatever, post. You guys argue over the weirdest, dumbest shit possible....for MONTHS.

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#674 10 months ago
Quoted from delt31:

In ref to godfather having less in it…….
Both are massive disappointments with basically nothing in them. End this thread.

Dude, you have a Bond 60th. Do you really want to talk about empty games? Lol.Godfather and Toy Story have about 3-5x the stuff as that game for a much lower cost.

Also, just stop with the “basically nothing in them” crap comments about Toy Story and Godfather. Toy Story 4 has a jump ramp that pops up out of the damn playfield with two interactive Benson posts next to it, a physical ball lock, a real kickback (no fake virtual kickback like modern Sterns), large spinning disk, a 10” LCD, and a large character pop up mech. So yes, stop, it’s time. Same goes to the other usual naysayers.

#675 10 months ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Dude, you have a Bond 60th. Do you really want to talk about empty games? Lol.Godfather and Toy Story have about 3-5x the stuff as that game for a much lower cost.

Gentlemen, gentlemen... please don't argue. Perhaps I have a sensible explanation.

All three games have been a disappointment.

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#676 7 months ago

I picked up a Toy Story CE about 1 year ago. The game continues to be one of the most played games in my collection, Godzilla premium (sold Hobbit for it), is giving it a run for it's money. Overall I appreciate the game more today then I did back then due to the ruleset design and fun factor.

It's interesting how Toy Story got so much hate at the start for a lack of mech and toys yet now a year later it looks more loaded then a good chunk of newer pins, especially JJP's past two releases. When you thinking about it the jump ramp in Toy Story is the last truly interactive mech / toy (that the player interacts with the ball) from JJP. Godfather and Elton John don't have anything like that.

Now if only JJP could add another mode or two and polish / complete code for Pirates and GNR.

#684 7 months ago

Sorry to hear. Anyway I totally agree about Toy Story I really enjoy the game and rules.

The game itself is gorgeous glad I own it.

Cheers

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#691 4 months ago

Interesting!

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#692 4 months ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Interesting!
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Whatever that publication is, it is grossly incorrect.

#693 4 months ago
Quoted from Doctor6:

Whatever that publication is, it is grossly correct.

Agree, amazing game

#694 4 months ago

Gunner must have surged to number 5 because of the new caps

#695 4 months ago

Own a LE. Fun game! Still love it. Wish Lawlor would one more pin...is he retired retired?

#696 4 months ago
Quoted from Doctor6:

Whatever that publication is, it is grossly incorrect.

Reply magazine. Operators give there top 5 earners no numbers. I need to sign up for that. 100 plus locations/Operators share their machines. TS4 was my top earner in 2023. Look underneath ts4. That's one of the reasons why a run stranger things was done again

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