For it to be Lawlor's swan song, TS4 sure felt like you threw him, the TS4 licence, NNG, WW&TCF and a pair of TS and WW slot machines into a room, and the TS4 machine was the only thing that freakishly walked "mummy-like" out, one hobled leg being drug behind it.

"Hey Pat, did you leave your iPad mini laying in the white wood? I think they bolted it down and sent the whole damn thing to production."

"Oh- , um, well, shit."

Yeah, seems Pat only had 2/3 of a design left in him and just threw a display across the rest. Not convinced that this was anything near his best effort.

You might enjoy owning and playing it, and I will play it in the future, but for the same money, I'd go buy Earth shaker and Whirlwind or any combo of his earlier works and be more satisfied with how I spent my $$$

The problem with people focused on personal collections is they can’t divorce the price of the game from the way it plays. This is a mindset amplified by a few loud voices.

I get why it’s annoying for some owners to hear people constantly shit on a game/purchase they like and felt was a fair price though. Sometimes they make really going points…

They’re just toys and you like what you like.

Agree with you. Stern is fleecing us too at $13K or $14,5k with tax and shipping. Way over priced and far beyond a decent dollar to value ratio. Stern not just JJP is guilty here too. Insane pricing is going to bite both Stern and JJP in 2023. Spooky, AP and CGC seem to be the only sensible companies left. I know I’m done with buying from both companies till they have to lower prices back to a reasonable level again, as if $10k was ever reasonable, lol.

Creative way to try and get MoonMuppet and me to back off your prior constant dissing and now praising of TS4. That is a trick only Kaneda would come up with. Are you corporate undercover or Kaneda arguing with himself, first bashing TS4 and now praising TS4, all under the guise of simply being “wrong and changing your mind”??? (Kaneda did after all make flip flop shoes with your account name on them and he hasn’t done that for any other individual? Hmmm, very forky Freak, lol.) Or was this all a sales/promo stunt to get us to buy the PanzerFreak flip flops?

nobody said anything about lying on your taxes jeez

One of these will cost you thousands more...

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Too comical Freak buddy, you’re referring to 2 posts, as 2 separate mechs. Never have heard of posts being labeled as mechs before. This is a first. It’s even comical you’re calling a 2x2 piece of plastic flap a mech. It’s part of the lane and no more a mech than the simple JP jump lane at the back of JP homepin Jack D designed into the layout. Quite similar to what Pat’s done on the super simple piece of plastic with Duke sticker, in the lane the ball rolls over. But do agree both Stern and JJP have priced themselves out of the market on most future pins, unless they actually give more like they did on LOTR, WOZ or our TMNTs.

This thread is too much fun. Let the memes flow!

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LOL, love it Freak buddy! Hello McFly? (I don’t think so…) Seeking the Freak’s help on this one. Isn’t that 2 inch jump gap about the same dimensions as the 2 inch Duke flat plastic inline lane gap flap? Seems like a good comparison, but can see why you wouldn’t think so.

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Are we sure Freak / muppet / Thunderbird aren’t ALL Kaneda?? These are the same points rehashed 17 times…I feel like someone is monetizing the thread traffic here.

I agree. These are not normal humans anymore. No one can care about Toy Story either pro or against it enough for anyone of these people to be real.

This is the twilight zone now.

I don't know, I'm a real people... uh, person. And I love trash talking anything I think is trash. TS4 the movie fit that bill for me, so undoubtedly I'm all in on TS4 the pinball machine.

But from a pinball perspective, I'm in the "Pat has made too many good machines for this turd to be his last" camp and I'll gladly tell anyone interested about it. Your opinion may differ, but anyone who has played every Pat L. game like I have might come to a similar conclusion. I'm not a mech/toy counter snob but the ability for Pat to make magic with less resources than what bang he got for his JJP buck on TS4 has been proven by a very extensive catalog of better Lawlor games. Just saying.

Lol that little upper playfield costs about 200 or less. Programming the computer to work with the LCD costs probably the same.

Stern thinks pop-up posts are such a good game feature they rate them at number four on Jurassic Park - Premium/ LE

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I think TS4 will go down in history as the pin that finally convinced JJP that there are always folks who will pay a lot more for a lot less. Such a sad way for Lawlor to go out...

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Moonmuppet, one of the best memes ever! Lol (so right on point with how sad TS4 really is.)

Thanks again Freak for a discussion that proves all TS4 counter points so well! You’ve done a fine service for us all by saving our pocket books from tragedy!!

I decided to try this game again today. I made the jump shot several times and then the ball had a weak jump and it got stuck. Then the game couldn't find the ball and then, as if programmed for this kind of failure, the game launched another ball after a while right after I stepped away from the game. No ball save on the unexpected ball launch. Game over due to design flaw. What a way to end a game! Can't say it left me wanting more.

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Glad to see you’re still here. It’s all in good fun, that’s what forums are all about. Like some JJP pins and others not so much. Feel the same about all the other companies too. It’s not a brand issue here, it’s per game critique. Think TS4 has had critique mainly related to being empty with outrageous pricing. After all, TS4 is fun to play.

(Funny meme btw, but please add PanzerFreak and your buddy Kaneda to the list. After all you two created the stylish PanzerFreak flip flops together. ) ((You know I own pins, as we talk as friends in the TMNT club. One of the best loaded pins ever! That’s why you purchased one too, value for money ratio is super on TMNT!))

How steep do you have the pitch? And do you know if the flipper strength is factory or up 2 or 3 notches? 3 ball searches and then it gives you a ball newbie.

Kinda like deadpool and some other Sterns. Oh wait ts4 has more but they not mechs to you. I don't think mechs mean what you and everyone thinks it means.

Okay Freak, the jig is up, I purchased a TS4 for my baby’s nursery and 11 year old daughter to play. But since there’s not much in the game to keep them entertained, our baby hates the casino sounds and my daughter is bored out of her mind. Now I can’t get rid of it, unless I’m willing to take a friends pity offer of $6k for a $15k CE. He’s told me over and over there’s not much more there than a used pro, hence the fair price offer of $6k. What would you do Freak, if you were me?

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Both are dreadfully boring looking.

Too funny! Good one!!

Just remember….the above-quoted post is completely fabricated nonsense….

I’ll give you $13k out the door….put up or shut up…

I played it on location. I don't know what the settings are but they take care of their games so I'm guessing everything was dialed in.

Most locations machines are not dialed in properly. With all manufacturers. Stern shooter rods are shorter and never align properly. I get the color shooter rods from pinball life. Here is a picture. You made the jump ramp easy because it's not steep enough.

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all JJP's will do 3 ball searches then launch a ball.

It's only a criticism if the game launches the ball over areas where the ball can get stuck. I've had wonka for about a year. I've probably put 1000 games on it or more. I don't remember ever having a stuck ball.

I had a Houdini and the catapult never failed to hit the trunk in the back. If you're going to fly the ball through the air, you better make sure that feature is bulletproof.

This location is called Revenge Of in Los Angeles. They have the best maintained location games I've ever seen. They have LEs and even an Elvira signature edition out. They know what they're doing. In fact, of all the games they had out (probably 20 or so), the only game out of order was their only Spooky pin, which really says a lot about how unreliable spooky pins are.

That said, I made the jump shot like 4 times before the failed shot, so it seemed set up just fine until it failed. I call it a design flaw.

Unfairly? I played the game a handful of times. I didn't care for it. Maybe it's expectation bias, but I gave it a shot. I put money into it, I had low expectations, and I was still disappointed. Within a small amount of plays, the ball got stuck on a well-maintained and configured machine. You're clearly invested in this game. I don't have any skin in the game other than I wanted an awesome Toy Story game and they put this out instead. I was ready to order on day 1. Believe me... I wanted to like the game.

Today was a weird day.... I unboxed a TS4 CE (I traded an LE for it) and my Bond LE.... within a few hours of each other.

I gotta say, I am not sure where the TS4 hate comes from. I get it if you don't like TS4 as a movie (it was my least favorite Toy Story movie), but the TS4 game is essentially a carnival/Toy Story Mania theme. It works for me... much better than I thought.

So I am not here to say TS4 is *better* than the Bond LE. I think the Bond layout is pretty amazing, but... the two games compare pretty well in my book. I count 11 shots in TS4 (if you count Gabby Gabby and Duke Caboom ramps separately) - most of the shots are easy-to-very easy. I am not a fan of the 4-pops, but both ramps feel pretty nice.

I think I counted 9 shots on Bond - many of the shots are tighter and the game is much faster than TS4. Again, not a huge fan of the pops. The Bond on a stick needs some major code love. I like the ramps. Overall, it is a fun and unique playfield.

TS4 has a bazillion RGBs. I know this is a turn off for some people, and i get that, but holy cow it is in a different league compared to Bond.

The code on TS4 is way more advanced than Bond. Honestly, so far, I like the TS4 rules. They are pretty basic but there is some depth to it.

Fit in finish - again the TS4 has it beat. The Radcals and cherry-apple armor is top notch.

In my book, both games are massively overpriced, but I am not sure if they are overpriced when compared to each other. I am going to bet that once you add a topper & shooter to the price of the Bond LE you will be very near the price of the TS4 CE.

I think Bond has more potential, and with the right code it might push Godzilla for the top spot (especially if they can duplicate Lyman's B66 code), but again... I am not sure why TS4 gets all of the hate.

Here is Pat's 1st and last.

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The gets stuck on the plater on godzilla premium/le a lot. Upper flipper loop shot is clunky. But I still like it too.

So a one-in-a-million fluke ball gets stuck and you call it a design flaw ?
With reasoning like that , must mean Godzilla is one of the most flawed designs ever

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I've been reading along.. TS4 can be fun but its easy and as discussed, way overpriced. I love the banter until you started to bring GZ into the argument. Any comparison between TS4 and GZ is a bad idea. GZ is next level. Carry on..

you think?!?

Exactly , no one is going to say Godzilla is a flawed design because of some stuck balls , but Toy Story has one flukey stuck ball and now it's a flawed design .
Such a stupid arguement .