You have spend time on the PRO and rated the Prem/LE at 5.7.
Think you made a mistake ?

lol

Glad you had a good game and good score on it. But it ain't "extremely EASY".

I agree that the flow is about average. Disagree with it being a standard fan layout with no twists. This has way more shots than most "standard fan layout" pins. Three inline drop targets for starters, the fuel lane, snake, hammer/captive ball, and the bash toy sparky.

Definitely agree that the left orbit shot currently sucks with current code. I'd just disable the post in the settings.

I think code has a way to go in order to get this pin to the next level. Stacking would help.

I had similar results the first time I played Mehtallica as well and I am no great player either.
I found it to be on the easier side as well. This is not to say that it did not have some fun features though.

Not only is Metallica hard as f*ck, the ramps on Metallica whip back to the flippers faster than pretty much any game, IMO. I wonder if their game had the back legs down or coils set on soft or something.

Your score number is irrelevant...scoring differs from title to title. AFM scores in the billions...doesn't mean it's "easy" to complete all the objectives. A certain number on Metallica is meaningless unless there's some context involved. Did you light the 4 inserts by the flippers by getting multiple Super Jackpots in the multiballs? Did you complete the shot inserts and start Seek & Destroy?

Curious where the "LOTS of wear" is. My LE has ~500 plays, zero wear. I played RVDV's Pro, which I'm assuming has a ton of plays...no wear. Granted, location games would have more play...but what would wear on a Metallica Pro? There's factory mylar in front of the kickouts & the magnets don't really offer much action besides holding the ball.

I wouldn't categorize the two Metallicas (both versions at RVDV's home) as easy, nor would I label them as "hard as f*ck", but both of you have more experience than I with these games. I thought it was a nice difficulty level (Not to hot, not too cold. This porridge is just right.) I think the "medium pace" description is accurate based on my limited experience (25 games or so). Art is a plus. The fan layout is a better than average implementation that should benefit from a code update or two, as already mentioned. I'll also agree that it is fairly easy to start multiball. Overall, I thought the game was a lot of fun, and I certainly like it better (so far) than Tron, Avengers, X Men, Iron Man, Rolling Stones and POTC. I still prefer Spiderman and LOTR to Metallica. But that's just me...

I'd give a grade of "B" or "B-" at this point.

-Steve

You can stack. It doesn't need any more stacking. Try stacking coffin, Sparky, S&D and 2x scoring. Tell me that ain't enough of a stack for you. If anything, they need to disable mystery during multiball. It's already confusing enough when you stack without adding in the mystery kickout delay and chopped up video. Too messy already.

That would be my guess. Floaty game.

I've only had a total of probably half an hour on an LE, and that machine was crazy hard! Maybe I really suck, but I like to think I am at least an average player. I think it is a fantastic start for this table and that in a year the code will have this very highly ranked. Just my 2 cents.

Define "beat up"

How is Sparky "all beat up"? The ball only hits his shoes. Were his shoes dirty? Is that "beat up"?
Dirty?

Wood wear?

Be specific.

BETTER THAN TRON?? Blasphamy

Knocks your dick in the dirt fast?

As soon as I seen who started this topic I immediately knew where it was going... I wouldn't trust this guy or his $8000 FT's.

Ugh. Saw who it was and knew the story. Metallica isn't fast? Okay. Whatever.

Iv played this metallica. I was there on Saturday actually. And there is wear. But I would say the game gets played constantly from 8-1am most weekends, so there are thousands of plays on it already. If you go check out the Xmen there, Wolvie's stomach isnt looking so good.

Bash toys = wear, its the nature of the whole thing.

Regardless of the difficulty of the game, I side with Hilton as far as I think the game isn't where it needs to be yet. That left orbit shot IS useless. Song selection is pointless in a noisy bar as you can't hear the music anyway and it has no effect on gameplay AFAIK. After 30+ games playing Metallica, Iv resigned myself to just keep multitasking the multiballs (sparky, get graveyard ready while sparky is going, then finish snake after graveyard, rinse repeat).

That being said, I do go back to the game a bit even in a place with a lot of machines like Headquarters. So I think it CAN be a great game, but right now its not yet.

So wait, you're complaining that it was easy to get multiball? You did see the word "Stern" written on the game didn't you?

How do you start or collect S&D without the left & right orbits?

No idea. Im not calling myself an expert on the rules, all I know is I hit that left orbit and CLUNK, the post comes up and stops it, I get 10k points and it comes back down.

Replacing the plastic post with a metal one prevents the ball from coming back down the left orbit. When you shoot the left orbit you will see the arrow lamp light up. You need to hit snake, chair & GM to fill out the other 3 inserts. Once you do that you shoot the orbit to start the hurry up value at the captive ball or cube. Do that on all the major shots to start S&D which at this time is the only implemented wiz mode.

The post seems poorly designed, not even considering code. Maybe moving it one way or the other, or adding a second post and spreading them out might have helped. Its so centered that the ball wants to come back. Maybe a rubber coated post would have worked better, or metal. That feature is similar to Spider-Man, and they got it mostly right on that one, though I do recall some sort of dead-drop-foam fix to help with locks.

Keith, do you have a part number or game where you got the metal post from?

Just a question,have you seen if it was the last version of the software??

SO WHY THE TOP 100 REVIEW OF 5.7 ON PREM/LE IF YOU PLAYED
THE PRO???

Metallica is anything but slow...play a Tron right after playing Metallica. Tell me which one feels faster. Metallica is fast. That's a fact. The one you played must not have been set up right. It is easy to start multiballs and the post is lame on the orbits...but whatever, it will be your loss if you don't give this game a chance. There is more to do than just multiballs. IMO it's the best Stern game since IM...maybe even as far back as SM.

Can't really do that on a machine on location

Then sorry I'd say your score is less impressive at 98 mil. With the latest software you (I?) should be consistently hitting 50-100 mil as an average. Anything under 50 mil to me is a crap game for my skill level. 100 mil is good, but I fluked out on my first ball ever on Met Premium and pulled off 100mil (on the old software actually) and I'm in no way a great player, nor would I claim the game is easy - flukes happen.

It's relatively easy to start the MB's but they don't score for crap without proper play. Right now I'd say snake is the easiest base scoring opportunity, and shooting 500k jackpots from snake will take forever to get to a great score without bringing in other features, plus it's only two ball.

Best results I get is Coffin MB, Snake lock for 2x, Fuel lane for another 2x, Fuel mode running, then hammer away on crosses or Sparky to stack in that MB as well (ideally sparky). Sometimes the stars align and I pull off a Seek and Destroy but I'm rarely skilled enough to do so.

When you can repeatedly crack 200 mil (or maybe 400 as the illustrious Mr. Elwin showed) THEN you can call it easy and I'll believe you

No part number but it is the up-post from congo on the left side. It's the exact same height.

You play the pro and rated in the top100 on the Pro/LE
and you dont have a clue about the software it was running...
Dawm.

Because it was his attempt to bring the rating down on the LE so he could stick it to those evil flippers!

Wild guess here but potentially

http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/A-17986

I think it's the up post from ToTAN as well

Is there any reason not to use a metal post? Why did they move to nylon up-posts? I'm working on a replacement up post that will stop the ball but I was trying to keep plastic in contact with the ball assuming there was a good reason for that... If we can switch to metal it's a trivial fix.

Either way, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Even though I own the LE, I think he's got some valid points:
The orbit stop needs to get fixed-it totally blows.
I wouldn't be that surprised if Sparky was already showing some wear. I've got somewhere around 400 plays on mine, and his feet are starting to get knicked up(but it doesn't bother me either-it's a pinball machine...stuff is gonna get hit with a metal ball going really fast)
As for the points I really don't agree with at all:
Your Fish Tales is faster than Metallica...really? Is your FT slope set at 30 degrees? Do you live on the side of a mountain? This is the only game where I can honestly(and embarassingly) say that the ball has flown so fast down the inline, I haven't flipped in time and it's drained. If I walk over to my AFM or MB(both Clearcoated) after playing METLE, it's like paint drying it's so slow. Even my Shadow feels slow, and that game owns me.
I'd also disagree that the game is that easy. I've had more than a couple over 100 mil games, but I've also had a ton of 3-5 million stinkers where I couldn't do anything right except hit the lame-ass skill shot.
I love this game, and I think it's a blast to play. I'm also fine with other people not liking it, since I'm not selling mine anytime soon.

Not liking...ok

but rating the wrong machine...

Metallica too slow ...i can not take anything
else seriously from this guy after saying it is slow

Yep that's the one from Congo too, just checked

I just bought it, will test it out when it gets to Canadaland someday...also snagged a black spider web ball haha...gonna throw one in the mix..

Played Le, played pro, bought pro, and neither are slow!

I love it!

he hates METALLICA???

Says he played the Pro but he gave top 100
Review in The Prem/LE...

What a Champion!!!

YOUR OUT OF YOUR GOD DAMN MIND METALLICA IS THE GREATEST THING SINCE AVENGERS WHICH WAS THE BEST SINCE XMEN GLARRRRRRRRRRRRGH. Bet Derrek sold his already too.

Metallica is JUST OK!

I played the pro last weekend and tend to agree with this. I think it's good but way overhyped. It'll be interesting where owners stand in 6 mos or when the next new stern is released. What I liked about the game is that it starts off slow and technical; player must set up their shots and strategy. Working towards S&D is a great rule for technical skilled players. Working towards mb's is the simple basic player strat. While working on lady justice is in between.

The layout and rules, for the most part, make the game start off slow. The in line drops don't give the ball a smoothe return to the flippers; neither does sparky, snake, outter loops, or mystery. HOWEVER, once you get lady justice going and/or mb's, the game opens up into a complete fast flow fest. Shots open up and seem to be a lot more smooth. I like these types of aspects in pins where as a player advances or opens up the board, the shots open up and adds another dimension. I'm not sure what the long term lastability will be for this title as the code is not finished. Personally, I thought it was good, but didn't give me a feeling of wanting more.

As for the art; I think the pf looked superb while the cabinet and back glass looked horrid. The LE cab and mirrored back glass however, much better.

GO PACK GO!!!!

A lot of Wisconsin peeps in the thread, figured I'd throw that in.

Guys I know whats wrong... this was a "prototype" Metallica

Anyway Whyisnow I appreciate your review

Theres a few people hyping I suppose, but I'm not really seeing this being proclaimed as some sort of best-ever pinball... maybe I'm dodging those threads haha.

Ignoring software and rules, I think it's way better than ACDC on layout, which I would contend is probably the most overhyped game I've played recently. ACDC has a great (groudbreaking?) set of rules once you get the decoder ring and x-ray glasses to figure out wtf to do, but until I own ACDC I will keep avoiding it in the wild simply because it has an overwhelming ruleset that does not set itself up for a casual player in an airport or a bar, and the layout of shots doesnt compensate for it. I can't wait to dive into it, but I'll have to buy it.

The beauty of the metallica layout (IMO), is theres crap to hit and it does stuff and it's fun even without software. Everyone is hoping that nuanced ACDC depth stuff comes for longevity, but in the end, if you strip it all back to basics its still fun. ACDC if I recall was not at all well recieved on its early software because the layout is basic, and the software didn't do anything. I see that first issue fixed with Metallica. The second remains to be seen but I have faith

I think the term "overhyped" is by far the most overused term on Pinside.

Reminds me of "$10k by Christmas".

I have the machine
I think it is fun as hell to PLAY
That is all (hyped,overhyped,overpriced,7K by Christmas,flipped,...DON'T matter to me)