Nice.....Lloyd needs no help from me defending his posts, but must say that this one from you seems like it's out of left field.....no need for harshness......

too much wine hijacked my brain...apologies...forgot to add smiley faces.---.crawling back under my rock.---
good luck Bryan.!

Ut oh.....another thread I should have skipped over......I do like my WOZ, btw.....lol....

Taxes on a building could easily be $300+ a month.

Heat $300

Electric $100

Insurance $200

Water $50

It's not hard to imagine over $1000 a month without any rent/loan.

Taxes, in my mind, are not included in utilities. Utilities are, like you mentioned, electric, water, and gas. Insurance I could see being included, perhaps, but $1000 a month in gas/water/electric is absolutely *crazy* money, depending on the size of the facility. I cannot for the life of me imagine that the size of the building in question is anywhere close to the size which would require that kind of money for utilities, especially over the length of the year where one expense will rise and the inverse expense would disappear (i.e. you may need gas heat in the winter, but obviously not in the summer, where A/C builds the electric bill). You'd need a *ton* of space to spend $12,000 a year. Heck, even with taxes, I'm having a hard time reaching that number.

I'd hate to think we've seen the last of your work. I know you love this hobby, so I'm betting you'll find a way to keep it going. Best of luck Bryan.

Horrific heat bill explained. Last winter that 1000 bucks a month might not have even covered it. Hopefully you relocate to a more energy efficient building and continue with your excellent restoration work.

Just curious why you say you wouldn;t work out of your garage? Not big enough to do spraying/cabinet work?

If you move to SC, I'll go in on starting a TechShop here with you.

Is it weird that the first thing I thought of when I saw your offer is "Bryan Kelly could never move to Utah..."

From WIkipedia... Current Utah law sets a limit of 3.2 percent alcohol by weight (4 percent by volume) in beer sold at grocery and convenience stores and at establishments operating under a "beer only" type license, such as taverns, beer bars and some restaurants.

Most beer is 3.2 and if you are lucky it could be as high a 3.6% The difference between a twelve pack of beer bought in Nevada Vs Utah twelve pack is the Nevada beer would equal to 13 Utah beers.. Big deal !

Here in SC we have a lot of high alcohol beers. The law here allows up to 17.72% alc. by volume.

So does Utah, you have to go to the liquor store to buy it instead of the grocery store . I was talking about regular brand name beer .

Believe me when I say that you can get just as drunk on 3.2 as you can on "strong" beer.

Sorry to hear this news and wishing you a bright future, Bryan, whatever that might hold. (And I do hope it continues to include restoration work. I love seeing pics of your work, especially in process.)

It's sold at the grocery store here.

Our liquor stores aren't allowed to sell any beer or wine. They have to have a different store/entrance for liquor vs. beer/wine.

Gentlemen, gentlemen... please. I work for a beer distributor (and have for nearly 20 years). Beer, I can speak about.
"Most" beer is not 3.2 nor 3.6 abv. Here's a quick rundown of "regular brand name" beers.

Bud - 5%
Bud Light - 4.2%
Miller - 4.6%
Miller Lite - 4.2%
Coors - 5%
Coors Light - 4.2%

Now of course with the craft beer explosion most of the "session beers" are at 5% and they just go up from there. IPA's which are really on a tear these days tend to start the party at around 6% and of course go way up from that especially if we are talking about a double IPA.

Anyway, my original point is they seem to enjoy a lot of stronger crafts up in Minnesota and 3.2 would be a long way to fall. Also my post was not a knock on Utah, if that's the way you took it.

Thanks for the info.

Bryan, if you move to Madison then you can live in my Garage and convert it to your new shop!

I'm thirsty too. Wish I was back over camping in Wisconsin like last Friday instead of at work....

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Heh... sitting at work with about 700,000 cases of beer nearby doesn't help either.

Also not disputing the fact that you can still get drunk on 3.2 beer... I would assume you would just spend a lot more time hitting the bathroom along the way.

All Bryan has to do is dip into the cuss jar, there should be enough in there for the utilities, a few cases of beer and a couple of reloads for the cheese pump.
Problem solved.

They still have to be paid each month, even after the mortgage is paid off, so it would be part of the monthly expenses.

A few years back I inherited an old machine shop.

All the pinheads wanted me to do a pinclub where we could drink and play.

Once I added up all the utilities, insurance and property taxes, it worked out to be about $340 a person per year. Everyone balked saying it was too much money and I sold the place to a car detail joint.

If the facility is for woodwork, what about limiting restores to using only new cabinets? It may bump the cost a little but will keep the restores coming.

I don't drink, but do people only drink just for the purpose of getting drunk?

I drink only because I like the taste of drunk.

Good luck, Bryan, I'm sure you'll think of something. Have you tried drinking?

I actually really hate the taste of alcohol, so when I drink it's purely to get a buzz going.

Have you tried licking toads?

What's funny is that $340/year is far less than just about any pin collector spends on pinball. Sounds like quite a deal.

Here we spend a ton of money on drunk driving ads yet our state liquor stores have drive-thru's. Our blue laws state that selling alcohol is legal on Sunday within 15 miles of the state border otherwise it's illegal. So we want to keep the roads safe and God happy as long as it doesn't impact the bottom line.

Here is a list . I don't drink so I don't really care.

http://getdrunknotfat.com/alcohol-content-of-beer/

I drink to forget my problem. My problem is I drink too much.

Kim

That seemed to be an average site until I saw you can click the column headers and sort accordingly. That is awesome!
Spoiler: when you sort the list by ABV pure ethanol is at the top

Getting waaay back to the topic, I hope Bryan Kelly can find another affordable place to work his magic!

No, that's a little gross for me.

I'm not ashamed to admit I dropped acid over a decade ago though.

I typically drink 2-3 times a year, if that. I'd rather smoke my buzz.

lol I'm the same way.

Exactly.

I have 45 or so pristine games, + whatever games club members would bring to add to the pile (and like I told everybody, you bring 'em, & I'll fix 'em).

It's not like I was making a profit on the $340; that is exactly what the expenses came out to per person.

Got a beer here in CO called Ten-Fidy with 10.5 content and Im sure Mr 68 would let you use his garage .

Damn man, you are having a rough week. I hope your dad recovers and you find that alcohol soon, it sounds like you need it.

Thoughts and prays for your Dad's quick recovery.

In my thoughts and prayers. I hope your Dad is okay.

LTG

Likewise. Hope all goes well. I went through multiple surgeries with my dad. It's never easy.

Usually not much fun when hanging around a hospital, good luck to you and your dad!

sorry to hear about your pops BK.

Keep us posted.