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I love Pinside (no more Pinside = garbage, please)

By soren

3 years ago


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    #71 3 years ago
    Quoted from robin:

    Aurich is a private member so he can sell his stuff to whoever he chooses. That's just the way it is. I don't see how I could change that.
    I also don't think there are any laws requiring you to sell to anyone. Indeed, like the famous sign: "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone".
    And finally, it's not in our Community Rules either. Should it be? I dunno, I have never heard of anyone on Pinside who got refused by their reputation. I guess there's a first for everything.

    I generally stay out of these conversations but I'd like to add a difference of opinion around that subject.

    Honestly, in the environment we live in today that famous sign is BS. Go out there and say you refuse to sell to (fill in the blank) because you don't agree with their point of view and see how things go. This is a public forum so anyone selling through Pinside should be required to sell to everyone otherwise Pinside is then encouraging segregation based off things that shouldn't be used to limit their availability to a product. The ONLY thing that should be allowed to be used to not sell to someone is their ability to pay for the product, like their market place reputation or being local vs non-local.

    Couple of examples that I hope don't cross a line (if so, remove them):
    - I'm a Conservative, can I not sell to a liberal (or visa versa)?
    - I'm white, can I refuse to sell to a person of color (or visa versa)?
    - I'm straight, can I refuse to sell to a person of the LGBTQ (or visa versa)?

    I just feel it's a slippery slope to allow that. If someone only wants to sell products to groups of people with their own beliefs they should create their own website and marketplace and sell through there.

    P.S. - I really appreciate what you do with this site. You allow differences of opinion without shutting things down unlike the other main pinball forum. That can lead to controversy and even some debates/arguments but censoring peoples beliefs or opinions is not the receipt for growth in a community. As long as people leave the personal attacks out of the mix, I do believe people should be able to voice disagreement and debate things out.

    #73 3 years ago
    Quoted from Darscot:

    For a place that doesn't allow politics, it sure has a lean to it. As a guy from Canada, we don't really have such polarizing views. The number of times here I'm like wow I have never actually heard or seen a real human being that actually believes that. This place really needs to do a better job removing that stuff. I have always wanted to go to Texas Pinball Festival but then I think about the weird shit that lurks here and nope out. Even the North West Show and Flipping Out why does pinball have such prominent group that can't be normal.

    You can't let things like that keep you from attending things you want to go to. I'll be as frank as possible. I can't tell you the number of people that I've felt that I wouldn't get along with at all based off their pinside posting, just to find out they really are great people when I've met them. I think some people (I'm putting myself in this bucket) don't communicate all that well with a keyboard. Sometimes they say things being sarcastically which doesn't get read that way or they just have a hard time putting their feelings into words.

    I can't speak for the personal hygiene types of things. Every show I've gone too their have been a couple of people that just refuse to shower and enjoy crop dusting but, let's be honest, that's not just a pinball things. I experience the same junk when I go to the grocery store.

    I forget whom made the comment about someone telling you they were next in line and that being weird or creepy. To address that, keep in mind, while you may not do this at shows, but A LOT of people will just keep hitting start without even looking around when their games end. I rarely have had anyone ever say anything about being next at the dozens of show's I've attended. Maybe it's a think where you are though but the only people that seem to get that behavior around my area are those with the reputation of not moving on when their game is over.

    #77 3 years ago
    Quoted from Aurich:

    I don't run a 'store', I do occasional small runs of my personal products for people when they reach out to me to be added to interest lists.
    I have yet to get a message from someone and reply to them with "nah, I won't sell to you, you're a jerk". I don't check your post history when you message me.
    I do sometimes get stupid personal messages through Pinside PMs, they get added to my block list so they can't message me anymore. Got a pretty dumb one the other day, told them I didn't give a fuck what they thought and blocked them. As is my right. I don't want to see your dumb messages anymore, go away.
    That person can no longer reach me, so they can't sign up for any interest list, assuming they ever even wanted to do business with me, and I kinda doubt it. It's really that simple. Does that really feel unreasonable to you?
    I don't ask people if they voted for Trump or what they think about abortion or gun rights or anything else when they sign up. The only 'test' is "have you done something to personally irritate me enough to not want to see or hear from you?"

    I have no problem with anyone blocking someone and in turn them not being able to contact them via PM or other messages. But, and here is where things have changed the last couple of years, my understanding is that products being sold through pinside must be placed in the market place. That is the rule correct? My concern and stance is that if someone places an order through the marketplace those people should not be able to cancel their order just because of who they are. What I was reading was that type of behavior would be OK, for which I do not agree. That just opens the doors for all the things we are trying to correct and fight in the world right now.

    #78 3 years ago
    Quoted from DanQverymuch:

    Political persuasion is not a protected class in any anti-discrimination legislation that I am aware of, anyway.

    And yet it can be and has been used as a form of discrimination on many occasions.

    #82 3 years ago
    Quoted from gambit3113:

    L. O. Effing. L. @ a bunch of the Pinside right wing coalition in here crying about the Very definition of a free market system of capitalism at work. It’s a fre country, right? The market place will dictate who wins and loses, right? You now want more rules in place to force someone to serve everyone, regardless of any single issue whatsoever? That sounds like a socialist agenda with extra steps. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. You’ll get nothing an like it.

    Who's doing the crying? I think some of us (at least me) are taking a stance for equality and equal rights. Is that not the agenda you want pushed today? If so, all wise one, please point me in the direction we need to look. Free market has been happening for generations but I see a lot of complaining going on right now about how unfair the world is. Hypocrite...

    #83 3 years ago
    Quoted from yancy:Has this happened even once? How much effort should Pinside put toward righting hypothetical wrongs?

    Quoted from Aurich:

    I'll sell to whoever I please, or don't please, that's for sure. If someone can't message me to buy a Shadow translite or something because I've blocked them that's too bad so sad for them, I'm happy to not take their money.
    Just like if you don't like my attitude you're free to not buy my products even if I've never blocked you.
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    Sounded like that is what he said he was actually doing right now, thus why I posted in the first place.

    #93 3 years ago

    Wow, pretty obvious some of you don't want an open, honest and intellectual conversation about the topic on hand. I'm not going to go down the rat hole political bait you are throwing out and mucking up Robin's forum.

    News flash... Not everyone is a republican or democrat or a leftist or a rightist. Some of us can side with both viewpoints and tend to be stuck in the middle. I feel any type of discrimination is bad. It's obvious you think it's OK as long as it fits a specific narrative. Ya'll enjoy yourselves now and feel free to not sell me something because you are unwilling to think people may be allowed to have an opinion that is different than your own.

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    #150 3 years ago
    Quoted from Colsond3:

    That’s impossible. Both were there, and yours said that’s exactly what she was doing.
    Unlike you, I can handle multiball.

    Damn, both your wives have balls?

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