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I have officially lost any and all respect for Stern as a company.

By erak

9 years ago

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Quoted from wolfy:
There are so many great games with complete codes why would anyone buy a new game. I have owned 47 games and all had complete codes. I have owned 5 Sterns all complete. There is a risk that some of these new games will never have a code completed. There is no motivation after the money has changed hands. Have a little will power and do not buy the next NIB and see what happens. Operators already have a backlog of new games they are sitting collecting dust.

I have Tron, loved it when it came out, loved it more when the code was updated. STLE bought NIB, love the game, know code will come b/c Steve wants it done. Other code was completed later (batman) and even price reflected pre/post code completion. I do disagree with one thing - Tron code was updated way after $ changed hands.

Bottom line - buy NIB and take the risk (many here are commenting that its common knowledge a NIB will have major code updates, and sometimes months long wait for it). Or wait a year. Or sell the disappointing (to you) purchase.

Quoted from flashinstinct:
And I get flamed for saying that Stern would be in trouble if people decided to do a class action lawsuit.. go figure!!! Bad press is bad press no matter how big or small. Get 200 people and protest in front of Stern's office and get people in front of camera's saying that Stern is promising and not delivering...this affects the company's reputation.
Then get someone in front of Gary and ask him the tough questions that need to be answered.

Why don't you be the "someone"? Call him up and ask the questions.

Quoted from iceman44:
This is exactly what the problem is, people have that "perception" that is just not reality. Stern counts on it every time.
You can ALWAYS get what you want if you wait...........ALWAYS
Because if its any good in the first place Stern is going to let the printing presses run. TWD as a recent example, strong demand, false sense of scarcity at first to suck in the LE sales, and yet here comes the premium.
They ran thousands of Ac/dc's, heck, they will run anything, VE's, Luci's, etc. if it will make them a dime.
Watch what happens now, MODS in the Stern store as they continue to raise the price and cheapen the product.
The only way they do the right thing on software is if we don't buy NIB's, I'll never buy another one unless they get a whole lot better on software and only if Lyman is involved in it.
To their credit, TWD software is pretty damn good right now, thanks to Lyman. But then it appears ST is a jumbled mess, because Lyman isn't involved, or at least people seem to be screaming for code updates to fix issues.

Don't expect them to ever say anything other than the "software team" is coding xyz game. They've learned.
Tons of money was made it the secondary trading of TronLE - $ made by others and not Stern, Stean raised prices, and now have 3 game types.
Lots of money spent on mods. Stern now produces mods.
Idle factory if Stern only makes "enough" to be sure they sell out in X weeks. Stern manufacters for others (MMr, WN)
Designers can only crank out so many new games, w/o getting too far ahead of coders. Redo "done" designs/code (ve)

Lots of games are being sold - despite everyone's opinion they are "incomplete" - all the above are simply supply/demand business decisions. Notice alot of these changes were after the capital inflow from the JV partner? Marketing, code state is whatever when shipping deadline is reached, 3 game types, mods now offered. Its obvious that the business model is changing to meet demand. Gary has said it many times - pros to operators, LE to collectors, Premium to enthusiasts.

Quoted from benheck:
People keep buying games with incomplete code = Stern keeps making games with incomplete code
Wow, simple, isn't it?

You rebel. So Spooky helps build and you complete the code before shipping. Why can't you just conform Mr. Heck?

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