they should. it will be the only original theme, fully flipping, code completed game under 10 k there.

I'm in on either. Hopefully they take a while to ship so I don't have to scramble to sell something to make room.

The schedule posted at the expo said 1PM, however the one online shows Jonathan Joosten, so who knows which is right.

A couple of days ago Rick said it was unlikely to be revealed because they weren't able to start manufacturing. They are trying to avoid repeating the whole MMR debacle.

Grrrrrrrrr!

This guy knows what's up

PPS/CGC and Stern are having issues and Stern is not willing to continue the remake manufacturing. There were many factors that contributed to this but with Stern having their own issues as well they decided it was time for PPS/CGC to find there own facility. There will be a long delay as PPS/CGC are still in talks with Stern to continue with remake # 2 which is AFM. PPS/CGC will have to figure out who will build the next and all future remakes. It will be a long process but you will probably not hear it from anyone at Stern or PPS/CGC. They agreed to keep it quiet so they can make the AFMR announcment hopefully before the end of this year and start taking preorders and they do not want this news to hurt the pre ordering process. Be prepared for a long wait. And be prepared for a denial regarding this news.

Whatever the issues, I commend the decision by PPS/CGC to not "show" a game they are not able to deliver on immediately.

Until #2 is announced, they owe no one anything, and whatever is going on behind the scenes is for them to deal with.

I suspect there is some truth to what was mentioned above.

Stern has enough issues to address and probably wants a bigger piece of the pie. It would make sense if they cannot reach an agreement they need to go their separate ways. Stern probably does not even want anymore remakes to be honest....more selection gives buyers options and right now Stern wants to deliver today what others cannot. Stern will be building and shipping BM66 immediately. I wish JJP good luck getting #3 out the door by Christmas. Who knows when Alien will be ready to ship. Good luck on seeing anything from AP/JPOP in the next year but I hope it happens and people are made right with that debacle.

Aerosmith has been leaked so everyone knows it's coming very soon. Stern has to be at capacity of what they can produce to meet orders. They have 6-8 titles they can still run......and behind the scenes they already have 3-4 titles ready for release in 2017.

CGC/PPS are pretty screwed.....it's not like there are a bunch of factories that produce pinball waiting to build games for them. If they want to capitalize on the remakes they need to get several ready to go and make it a 5 year plan and do 3 remakes a year.....there is only about 10 games give or take that would sell enough to be profitable and produce them independently......now if they can price it right they can sell a ton to people that cannot afford $9K......get the price to $6K and see how many remakes sell. There are plenty of people that want some of the A list games but can't afford or won't pay the high end prices.....especially when NIB were selling for 5--8K.....now that NIB prices have shifted AGAIN.....NIB remakes at 6Kish sound like a good deal.

I hope they figure it out and get the ball rolling soon on the remakes.

Could AP made them?

yeah this would of been better for these guys to dip their toes into pinball manufacturing than taking on JPOP.

Well, at least I was right with one prediction.

If Stern is not going to make CGC remakes anymore then it will be obvious to everyone when they start making game #2 elsewhere.

Thanks Kaneda.

It boggles my mind that anybody would consider them for anything. Just mentioning them in the same breath as other manufacturers seems wrong. They are just a startup right now. They've only been around for a month.

That wasn't Kaneda. He isn't nearly that articulate.

Could be Kaneda typing verbatim someone else's response to him.

There wasn't much truth to what was entered above ... honestly ... brand new pinsider, seems to 'know' what is going on inside Stern and CGC ... well their inside information was not correct, and seems they are now booted from pinside ... go figure ... most people that think they know what's going on don't unless they are the principles of the 3 companies.

So............. What is going on?

I've learned you can't believe anything you read on these forums, but if you post something that makes more sense than what others have speculated, prepare to be banned.

IE, we were told the next remake would be at a previous festival ready to go.

Don't get too excited over a $7000 afm

How bout we let Rick make his announcement and find out about price then. Otherwise you're just pulling numbers out of your ass.

I know, right? Rick wouldn't sell it for that low of a price.

I hope I pulled a high number out, ideally that game would sell for 6

With pins like DILE and BM66 LE selling for $9.5k shipped, I'd say there is zero chance of AFMr selling for $6k. You'd be lucky if they keep the price the same as what MMr was.

I'd like to argue for WHY it should be a cheap pin, but dont think there is much to say that hasn't been said before. Hopefully they include coin mechs and double check the opacity on the insert lettering this time tho. /s

$6-7 k is the sweet spot. MMr was a success , but a tough experience for consumers and it is the #1 rated pin. Consumers felt like they were winning because originals were going for $12000+++.

This is not the case for afm or mb. They leave a lot of money on the table if priced at $8000

Loving my MMr. Solid build.

Was Deep Throat right in All The Presidents Men? Hmmmmm..........

What are you talking about. Only trashed beaters go that cheap.

Maybe AFMR was ready, however they didn't want to try to steal the show at expo last weekend.

Mm used to be 12k, new was 8. Afm is 8k ish? So the new one should be in line for $6k.

That bom is tiny compared to mm. No castle, smaller ramps, etc.

Besides, shouldn't consumers want to pay less? Its almost like you guys want to pay $8k and nothing lower for it. There are a TON of pins out this year and AFM is at the bottom of the must have list.

Your logic makes no sense. Batman Dark Knight was $4400, so BM66 should be $3400 then.

People act like the toys and a couple of ramps up top really add a huge amount to the build cost. Unless there are just a ton of ramps like Whitewater its not going to be a huge cost difference. The bouncing ship and smaller ramps does not = 2K less in build cost. It's not even close.

I love the minutia that folks think factors into what they are going to charge for one of these games. "Hey Gary, even though you are going to have the same 150 workers building this game that built the last game, and all of them are making slightly more money than they did a two years ago due to cost of living increases, and utilities and insurance went up a bit, and upkeep on the building is higher, we would like for you to knock $2000 off of your per-unit contract price to build these for us because the ramps are shorter than the last game....". I'm not picking on your for saying this, but what they really care about is what kind of resistance they are getting to each price increase, and have they found the literal top end of what current collectors are willing to fork over, minus one dollar. That is price point they are looking to find.

If each game can truly not be built and make profit for less than 8000.... how many titles are possible? Not a ton

I'm not against remakes but if they price AFMr at 8k I think they will be in for a shock. CC, MB, and BBB are the only ones I could see selling at that price. I'm sure they will sell a few AFMr's but don't see the demand there like it was for MM. I actually think AFM is a much better game but they are not impossible to find and not priced ridiculously compared to what MM was going for. BBBr at 10k would be interesting considering what they sell for now and what other manufactures are starting to charge for NIB games.

I'd be willing to place a wager right now that AFMr will be priced at no less than $7995.00 msrp.

I don't doubt it, but it would make me sad. $7k USD is my limit on any pin. The latest pin announcements have been demoralizing.

Nail on the head. Plus there are several rumors that they have done some nice ugrades to the game. What if the game comes with an improved color display and several of the expensive mods? If so it will sell just fine at $7995 in spite what most of pinside is saying. By the time it ships $7995 might look like a great value with the constant increases in pricing from stern and JJP.

We are all losing our minds over the Dialed In price, but it is already selling extremely well according to several distributors.