Or just teach people how to take good detailed well lit pictures.

Out of my games it’s funny, the game I know the most about and 100% know was routed for a decade is actually my nicest, most pristine game. Baby Pac really does look incredible and it’s bulletproof.

Yet my Night Moves was claimed to be “one owner” and it clearly has been played and left on location and abused.

So yes, it’s really up to you. Condition and the buyer’s inspection is the only true way to be sure of anything

Because it was only on location a year?

I'll throw my 2 cents in the pot.
I have 2 undocumented HUO pins. If I were to sell them they would be listed as that.
1) LOTR. Bought from original owner that was a huge LOTR fan. Knew nothing about pinball. Game was original code with only around 250 plays. Besides for a little dusty game looked brand new. The guy was moving and had everything in his house packed up so couldn't find the receipts from purchase. Said he would send them to me but I told him not to worry about it because I don't plan on selling it. I've updated code to the LE with shaker motor and lost track of total plays. Lifetime earning shows $0. Not a mark on the game anywhere. Now I did make a huge mistake transporting this one. Didn't have any shrink wrap and forgot my blanket. Since it was a 5 hour drive I strapped it with the straps going around the front of the cab and hooked to my seats. By the time I got home, both corner edges on the front were scuffed from the strap. Live and learn.
2) MET Pro. I'm third owner. Bought it from a local Pinsider who bought it from another semi-local pinsider. Game code was updated so total plays not known. Total lifetime earnings $0. I don't have the original sales receipt so this would also be undocumented HUO even though I could track down to original owner if needed.

These examples are how you get undocumented HUO. Why not list them that way if they really are?

Really... all HUOs are undocumented if you really think about it. Just approach an HUO sale as just that. Condition is everything. I would advertise an HUO as a very low play game and let the buyer decide.

Well thanks to your post I’m sure this issue is now under control.

Thanks dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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How about a sample TZ. Bought new. Son inherited it. Goes to sell it. Turn on only a few lights. Open game up, owner didn't know you could take the glass off. Go to lift playfield up and mice start hopping out all over.

What's that worth ?

LTG : )

Because it was in a tough home and that lock bar and bolts were needed.

LTG : )

all the games I bought NIB I didn't get a receipt for. I have the boxes for them, but never got a receipt.

Don;t have the box or a receipt.

What is a semi-local pinsider?

I get it but my point was that's just what people do. You always want top dollar for the pin you are selling and bottom dollar for the pin you are buying. You focus on the positives when selling and focus on the negatives when buying. That's just human nature 101. People can ask whatever they want on price but you don't have to accept it as a buyer. I get bothered when the price police show up and beat down the seller even though they have no interest in buying the game. Let the market decide what the price should be.

I have a Shadow that is probably HUO but of course no documentation. Whenever I sell it, I'm not going to pretend the game isn't super nice nor sell if for the price of an average condition one. If I sold it through pinside for a premium, I would no doubt expect to get a flood of criticism saying Shadow is a $2800 game, gameplay is terrible, there is a scratch somewhere, and the whole prices are out of control thing.

Some of those Boy's Homes can be pretty tough.

But it's still home use only.

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I have a huo Superman. I bought it from a flipper, but you see it and you know. I keep it covered. A very respected tech came to my warehouse to work on another game and yelled out “can I look under the blanket”. I yelled go ahead. He got as far as the owl eyes, and freaked out “this isn’t what I think it is, is it?” I look at the game and all I can think about is the pf and cab. He couldn’t get over the coin mechs, saying he never saw unused Atari ones. You damn welll better believe I’m advertising it as huo undocumented if I ever part with it. If a prospective buyer doesn’t believe, so be it