I haven't seen an HUO POTC for less than $4500 in forever. An HUO with 20 plays is a new machine. And we're talking a new, fully featured machine with lots of toys and lots of things to do, also built in a quality fashion. It's not like today's pro models, many of which are so laughable that it makes spending $2000 more for the premium seem like a "good" deal. Of course, this has proven to be a smart play for Stern as many have been suckered into this pricing scheme. Pay no attention to $3500 or $2500. You wouldn't be able to find a beater for that-- not even close.