I think it's a lot closer than anyone imagined.

Well, I've played it. And it rocks. And a lot of people are going to start saying the same thing. And some - SHOCKER - are going to say its better than ACDC. I won't say that, because until I have ACDC in my basement it wouldn't be fair. Yet. But I've played plenty of ACDC....and I don't enjoy it as much as Avengers....or Spider-Man for that matter.

It's really not fair to claim that Avengers is already that much better than ACDC. But tell me why you think so? Which one did you buy? Or where have you been playing it?

ACDC Fanboys. So eager to hate on what they haven't played. So eager to say a firepower play field layout with ramps and a cannon is soooooo cool. Oh but the rules!!! Lyman....LYman!...LYMAN!!! Oh!!!

Gimme a break. It's pinball not Tolstoy. Avengers kicks ass. I don't care if ACDC sucks or not... I have never felt inclined to neg a machine...or gush (LYMAN!!! Ohhhhhh!). But Ill say what i like and I will defend an unfairly maligned machine....and I'll certainly call BS on anyone knocking a game or rendering an opinion on gameplay or enjoyment or comparing it (!!) without playing it.

Avengers is what pinball is all about. It's fresh, it's fun. So far so good. So very very good. Definitely feel lucky to be among the first to play it. And beyond thrilled that my first NIB is a winner and not a dog.

How the hell should I know? Why did Steve Ritchie have to voice over his own game, why isn't the REAL Devil doing it? Or Angus Young?

The only two voices that matter 2 shits are Sam Jackson and RDjr. And those two actors just happen to be among the most famous on the planet. RDjr is probably the hardest actor to get for anything right now. You notice his likeness/face is not used, just IMs....which makes sense, because RDjr isn't an Avenger (news flash, they're made up) he's an actor.

Using real actors voices actually dates the machine, and can associate unintentionally with other movies. Remember, RDjr was a dick sucking dope head in less than zero....maybe I don't want that guys voice on my game! Lol.

Look, it would have been great to have Sam Jackson and Downey on the game. They're not. Oh well. It doesn't make the game any less fun, believe me. The black widow voice is sexy as hell. Better than SJ, who never sounds sexy, just looks sexy. You take the good with the bad. But hey, keep looking at the cloud instead of the silver lining. I hear that's one of the seven traits of highly miserable people.

No, I can't stand any ignoramus who complains about something they have no direct experience with. Neg the game all you want. Just play it first. I'm a big boy. I won't care at all if you don't like my game.

Btw, the game clearly isn't based on the movie, or they'd have movie clips and voice impersonators.

Nope.

It's based on the Avengers. Has some pretty pictures of some of the movie actors. But nothing else from he movie. How then could it be based on the movie? Inspired by? Sure. Influenced by? Maybe. But certainly not based on.

Ok, and XMEN is "based" on the comic book, right? Because there has been an overwhelming fad in the country now, if not the world, and every one is buying XMEN comics. I myself have an xmen comic club, and we meet every week to discuss a different comic. The theme, plot, character development, etc. Clearly XMEN comics are why Stern released an XMEN Pinbsll machine, and it has NOTHING to do with the 5 or 50 (can't keep up) XMEN movies out there...

Right. Look, Einsteins, OBVIOUSLY they made the Avengers pin because of the hype and success of the movie. Just like XMEN...but because XMEN has comic book art and custom dots and no name voices its NOT based on the movie? Right. The only difference - conceptually - with Avengers is that they actually used the movie images..except for RDjr. Probably because they're better looking and WAY bigger stars with broader appeal and recognition (Shia Laboef....uh-huh).... But hardly anything else in the game is from the movie....but it's "based" on the movie? Ok, have it your way. Guess what, who cares? The game stands on its own either way...and it's soooooo not important. If your telling me you only bought it because of the movie then you'd better sell it....you're gong to b disappointed.

My point is and remains: if you like the Avengers theme and you love pinball, you will not be disappointed. How hard is that? Of course we have people criticising the game because of voices and callous they haven't heard...and it doesn't take a boob to know that's LAME!

But haha, I'm the one playing it bitches! Bitch away! Bitch Bitch Bitch! Bitches!! Bwahahahaha!!

Oh, and merry Christmas! It certainly is for those playing Avengers!

Because you wouldn't know a boob if he tweaked your nose.

Oh, I know it's all good. I don't need you and Rob to help me with that. You see, you're just showing your colours again. Just very jusgemental about games and clearly what YOU like and what YOU own is THE BEST(!!) because....well because it is! And you just can't believe people can have alternative opinions when it comes down to what you think. BUT you really enjoy questioning and doubting and criticizing games you haven't played or dont own or don't want. Uh-huh. And my collection is "bigger than yours" so look who's talking.

Yes! I posted that Avengers is better than ACDC! And might be the best pin ever! And how is that different or less valuable than the 50,000 karma points you've collected blabbing unsolicited about the games YOU feel are the BEST EVER! And that ARE NEVER LEAVING! And that you would never sell for 5 figures Etc. ad nauseum, yada yada, yawn. Zzzzzzzzzzzz.........

You somehow missed my heavy sarcasm. Just making a point....in a thread littered with authoritative opinions from people with no authority.

R u this dense? If you'd stop listening to yourself so much you might actually be able to detect the sarcasm, nuance, subtlety, ridicule and logic in these posts that you clearly don't understand...but feel qualified to argue with nonetheless. But you live in Riverside, so that explains it somewhat, I guess.

I live in Riverside?

Yeah, I know, I'm just your little organ grinding monkey. What is your point actually? That I don't think Avengers is based on the movie? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

Right. It has pictures of the actors that played the characters. So obviously there's a relationship. But that's where the relationship ends. No video or audio rips from the movie. No impersonation of the movie actors. In fact, different voices entirely. Many are bitching and moaning that there at no movie scenes or movie voicework....so my statement is somewhat rhetorical. I mean, is it based on the movie when there is nothing from the actual movie associated with the pin except for some photoshopped pictures of the actors? The voices are from the TV productions, right? So does that mean its based on the TV cartoons? Can it be based on both? Why not just say, as I did, that its based on a collection of comic book characters called "The Avengers", and they tied in some different elements from some different iterations of the product.

I'm pretty sure that XMEN was made because of all the movies. But they elected to go with comic book art....no doubt because the actors in XMEN are far less famous and less desirable on the game. Avengers has some of the mos famous, if no best looking, actors in he business. It makes sense to put their pictures all over the game. But it stops there.

If people are going to make such a fuss about how important the voicework is to a game, and to integration with a theme, well, than it stands to follow that Avengers pinball must not be about the movie....because if it were, they'd have video and audio rips from the movie instead of custom dots and cartoon series voicework.

My god, is this so hard to grasp? I really had to literally spell it out (most of it for the second time) for RobT and clearly a few others. But, unlike Robs claim that "most people here don't fall for it", I doubt most people here are as dense as he is.

Not backtracking bitch. You should make sure that you only wag your finger when your right! It makes you look like an even bigger idiot!

Where did you move to? SoCal is pretty general. Or are you still in Riverside?

That's roughly the theme of the original Avengers comics too - and im guessing cartoons too? Never saw a cartoon. Loki was the first villain. Did a Tesseract exist? Probably. I don't know, I wasn't alive in 1963 when the first Avengers comic came out and haven't come around it.

No one here is grasping the ultimate point Im trying to make, which is you can enjoy the Avengers theme of this pin without vid rips, audio rips or voice impersonations. You dont need movie association to enjoy this pin, and that's a good thing, because there is none.

Say what you want, but I have the pin in my house...and if the actors pictures weren't on the game, you would BARELY be associating the pin with the movie.

Movie/pin strong relationship: IM, yes. LOTR, yes. Avatar, Yes. Avengers? NO.

And Smassa, if you can't wrap your warped skull around that, you're the idiot.

Ill leave it to other Avengers owners to corroborate what you just said about movie lines being used in the pin. Im not sure about that. I've seen the movie twice and with a couple exceptions, no "non hulk" callouts in the pin have jumped out to me as obviously from the movie. And we all know how much Hulk talks in the movie....he talks non stop here. Maybe when I get deeper into the game ill hear more. This is custom tailored voice work.

Here's an example of a "clever" line from the pin that sounds like it would be in the movie. Hawkeye says "I make any team look good". Is that from the movie? Or is that from a comic book or cartoon? I'd love to know.

And there is nothing wrong with it being movie based. It clearly exists because of the movie. I wanted the actors anyway. But the pin does not seem movie based. I guess you just have to play it to get it. Or maybe I'm an Army of one here. No matter, I play the LE an hour a day and love it. When I grow nostalgic for the early 80's I might even play a little ACDC in the background!

I'm sorry if you don't understand my interest in taking this subject to a different level. Mucking around in the wilderness of the obvious is pretty boring. But achieving dialectic with the likes of you is clearly impossible, so I'll stop trying. Question: what would your life be like if you were happy?

Your opinion is worthless unless you've played the game. Duh.

Associate away. The pictures are very nice. Especially the one of RDjr....oh wait, there isn't one.

If your only opinion was on the voice work you'd have a point....but this is your first comment in the thread. Basically saying Hulk is the loser because you watched it on video and could tell.

Gimme a break.

There's video of him and voice work in IM. Nice try.

By the way...is the movie or is the movie not based on the comic books? It's ALL ultimately based on the comic books you dolt!

Huh? No back tracking. What I've said all along. Pin based on movie. Movie based on comic books. Pin based on comic books. That's called deductive reasoning or the transitive property of youre an idiot.

Where is the backtracking? Somebody prove to me how voicework from the cartoon voices doesn't make the pin just as easily "themed" on the cartoons as the movie? They used movie pictures and cartoon voicings and original custom dots. ALL base on comic book characters. That's the one true pedigree. Everything else is mental masturbation. Or maybe just Ordinary masturbation for you and Smassa where brain cells don't really factor in.

Just play the game. That's what it boils down to. Play the game, and then come and tell me that it immersed you in the Avengers movie experience. Stern may have wanted to make their pin feel like the movie, but they didnt. You don't know that because you haven't played it. You can go on and on about what is and isn't, but the fact is you don't have a clue.

You guys seized on the semantics of my saying, roughly, "how can the pin be based on the movie" when there's hardly any movie in the pin. Overlooking the point of the argument by focusing on the one thing that you can wrap your tiny brains around. That's what a fool does.

How many Avengers pinball players feel that the pin oozes the essence of the movie and puts them right there with the actors in the script? Or instead, do they feel their just playing a cool pinball machine with a super hero theme? For me it's the latter...and that's been my point, however badly I may have mangled it, all long.

Um, you guys started with the the condescension and the implication that i was "butt hurt" and a boob. Not me. So lets not get on our high horse, shall we? And go back and read the thread. Yes, my comment on the movie was SARCASM. But sarcasm dipped in some very valid points. That's why I said you guys were dense....but you couldn't grasp it.

And Mr. Riverside has routinely gotten in arguments with people for as long as I've been on here and id venture that more of his karma points are fights with people then mine.

And I wasn't asking where Rob lived so I could stalk him, if that's what your implying? He changed his designation during this thread. I was curious why he stopped flying his Riverside flag. Having grown up in SoCal, I know - or knew - all about Riverside.

Well, was ACDC fanboys a personal call out? Whatever. I was enjoying this, now it's beyond tired. I know the game is "based" on the movie, I didn't articulate my thoughts well. That's on me. But I do think its lame for anyone to criticise anything they have no direct experience with...and that happens a lot.

As far as the poll is concerned, frankly I'm shocked AV got 35 votes. The game has been out a week and hardly anyone's played it.

Not that I've seen or heard. Maybe deeper in the game.

I do spend a lot of time around pussy... But the only one that needed a douche was....your mamas.

Actually Hulk may make a reference to Banner at the end of a ball or game. If I heard it I only heard it once.

I definitely think the game would be cooler with comic book art - like XMEN. But it works fine as is. The Avengers movie characters are cool, and they look good on the game.