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How to spot a tire kicker

By locksmith

3 years ago


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    #27 3 years ago
    Quoted from ejg10532626:

    If a guy nickels and dimes you, and tried to tell you what YOUR game is worth.
    Tire kicker.

    I disagree. I used to have a used car lot. What you absolutely want is the nickel and dimer. If he was N & D'n me that was a good signal that he wanted what I had pretty bad. I can work with a nickel and dimer. This is the back and forth as the two of us are trying to reach a price. If he is N & D'n me, that is a pretty good signal that he has access to money. He is just trying to get a better price.

    He: The lot down the street has one for $200.00 cheaper.

    Me: Well ,you better go buy it.

    He: Yours has this scratch on the door.

    Me: That's why I am selling it so cheap.

    You get conversations like that. Some times you win. Some times you lose.

    Here is a tire kicker:

    He: How much do you want for that?

    Me: I have it priced at $4,000.00.

    He: Wow! That is a bargain. That will sell quick.

    When I got something similar to the above I knew the idiot had no money.

    He: Man, it is really nice shape. How do you get them so nice?

    That's all fluff. And waste of time.

    Unless you got the hot setup, when you are selling get ready to kiss some ass; It comes with the territory. Give me the nickel and dimer any day of the week. If I was wise, I had my price high enough that I can give some "money" up.

    Me: Yeah, I know there is a scratch in the fender. If I knock a $100.00 off the price would that work for you.

    He: hmmm.. I don't know. It is going to cost some buck to get that scratched fixed. I dunno.

    Me: Tell you what, how about I knock $150.00 off. Will that help you out a little bit? Can we make a deal?

    If we are anywhere close on price I can turn a nickel and dimer into a buyer.

    Some of you all get all pissed off that some guy is lowballing you. Maybe you are too high on your price and you are looking for someone to pay gold for you shit. Get over it.

    A lowball offer is an offer. Be nice to the lowballer. You never know who is going pull out a wad of cash.

    What is not an offer is the one who asks you "would you take...?"

    I'll take my asking price for it. If you want make an offer, I will sure consider it. But my price is on the windshield.

    You want I.D. a tire kicker? The guy who asks "would you take?" is just farting around with you. Give him a price lower than you are asking and he will say, Thank you, I'll think about it. And now you are screwed; Now you have to hit him with "what is there to think about"? And you will get a litany of excuses. And he will still walk.
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    Quoted from LTG:

    1 - tire kicker
    2 - keeps asking questions
    ** I'll take all of the questions.

    3 - keeps asking for more pictures
    ** I will try to accommodate. In this day of digital pics it does not take long to add a few more pics.

    4 - tells what they go for on Ebay
    ** I understand, but this is not Ebay. And this is the price it is worth. Maybe I can give you al little bit of a discount. We'll see.

    5 - tells what they can buy a better one for
    ** Go buy it. I can't complete with that.

    6 - makes ridiculous requests like can you hold it for a month, until wife sees it, until Haley's comet returns
    ** Is he willing to give me a non-refundable deposit? You hand me some cash; I'll hold it for you. It is called layaway.

    7 - makes ridiculous offer
    **Roll with the punch. Be polite and make a counter offer. I suppose this might somehow equate to "never let them see you sweat." Be nice.

    8 - wants to think on it
    ** OKay. I understand. What you you need to think about?

    9 - asks to see other games you aren't selling
    ** Humor him. Show him a couple of games. Kill him with kindness. But control the situation.

    10 - wants to play your other games ignores purchasing the one they came to see ( you aren't running a free arcade )
    ** That's easy. Isolate the pin before they get there.

    11 - Then there is the person that makes a reasonable offer or accepts your price in cash and can pick up within an hour.
    After time you'll spot the #11 scale people quicker.
    ** Yes, but what is your percentage of lookers and time wasters compared to someone who walks in with the cash?
    .

    LTG : )

    Quoted from locksmith:

    What’s your best price is the worst question. Should be erased from any pinball deal,especially in a text or call.In person and I may answer it.

    That is not an offer. That is question. My best price is the price I asked for it.

    Quoted from JonCBrand:

    The "whats your bottom dollar?" get my blood boiling. I generally ignore but have had some luck asking what the most you will pay.

    Turn the tables.

    What is your top dollar?
    What will you give?
    Make me an offer. I'll listen to any reasonable offer (reasonable being a subjective term).

    #31 3 years ago
    Quoted from bkaelin:

    I always price my games at or below market, so when people come to see a game, they already know it is a good deal, and almost never try to negotiate a lower price. Works for me, works for them.

    Here is a situation: I had a pin I had traded for and was in a fairly good position. But then some board problems came up and I had to pay for have the CPU serviced. Anyway, I am buried in the pin, nit bad buy just a little bit.

    I put a CL ad up and did the usual talk about the pin. I also said I had it priced over market price due to the work I had to pay for board repairs. I got the usual scam callers and some tire kickers. And then the ad generated no interest for awhile. No biggie. CL ads cost nothing. I am not broke. And the pin is not eating anything.

    About 2 months I get a call. You can feel it when you have someone interested talking with you. The guy lives 60 miles away and he, along with his friend, want to come take a look. But he wanted to see a few more pics; Not a problem. Come on down, man! I'll be here.

    They arrived in a pick up truck. Nice guys both of them. My interested prospect is 70 years old. He he used to play this pin (Laser Cue) in the bowling alley when he was a young man. So, he knew what he was coming to look at. He playing for a bit and liked it. But he was hesitant.

    He lived in the country and was "scared" if he got it home and it quit working, what would he do? We do not have a lot of pin mechanics around here.

    I want to sell it, of course. I told him this: I know you want this pin. You drove 60 miles to have a peek. Here is what I can do. I don't need the money if you don't buy the pin. But you can look around my house and see my problem is lack of space (I have pins everywhere in my small house). So,
    if you buy this pin, I will give you 30 days to change your mind. IN 30 days or less, if you decide you don't want it, I will drive up to your house, give you ALL of your money back and bring the pin back with me. No questions asked; You get 30 days.

    That was all he wanted to hear. He whipped those $100.00 bills out of his pocket so fat it took my breath away. They loaded up and were gone and I got my price.

    It was all about being nice. And taking a change on someone. And it worked.

    But I have had couple where it was. struggle to break even. Being nice helped make the sales.

    #36 3 years ago
    Quoted from sulli10:

    You then get all sorts of questions about the flaws and the heming and hawing about really small imperfections.

    Did you turn hem-and-haws into a buyer? No back and forth on the small imperfections? Those flaws are objections. Objections can be overcome and you can turn a prospect into a sale.

    #37 3 years ago
    Quoted from freeplay3:

    I always ask "what's your best price?" People who deal with me know if I am asking that I am very serious. They also know I bring cash, dont pick the game apart for small issues, and if you are selling it for 3500 and tell me 3200, I will give you 3200.
    It works the other way with me too. If you call me and ask best price and I tell you 3200, I wont renegotiate once you inspect the game.

    This is a completely different scenario. Like doing wholesale type selling. Relationship sales.

    Quoted from freeplay3:

    If you call me and ask best price and I tell you 3200, I wont renegotiate once you inspect the game.

    That makes sense. Good policy.

    #69 3 years ago
    Quoted from sbmania:

    How about this? Don't call about a game and ask for lots and lots of pictures unless you are truly interested in buying that game, and paying at or near the listed price, give or take for condition issues. Don't waste my time or yours with stupid haggling when you aren't really interested in actually buying the game or you think you want it

    I had these types come on the car lot all of the time. I developed a theory. The wife would not listen to him. His kids were busy with their friends and old enough they did not give him the attention hw wanted.

    Bored an lonely, he hits the car lots and harasses the sales rep with mindless talk about worthless car stuff and wastes the salesman's time and after 20-30 minutes he leaves for another car lot and another sales rep's time to waste. And all it cost him was the gas to drive around town for his cheap entertainment. And then you will him hear talk about the " shitty sales guy at that car lot over there who tried to screw me."

    When you are selling it comes with the territory.

    The best thing going now for an individual seller is that you put up all of the free ads you want on Craigs List. Some guys put up multiple ads hoping for any extra visibility.

    In the old days, you called the news paper, bought a 5 day, 7 day, or 14 day ad, or a weekend ad. And they were not free. We did not have answering machines in those days, so unless you had family who could take the calls for you, you were pretty much stuck near the telephone while your ad was running. It sucked.

    Now, we have Craigslist, cell phones and text. You can put up all of your pins for sale, go on about your schedule, and check the answering machine when you get home.

    #85 3 years ago

    There are several types of pinball buyers. And sellers.

    1) A $2500.00 pin is priced at $500.00. Here come the sharks.

    2) A $500.00 pin is priced at $2500.00. Buy this and you are fresh fish.

    3) A $500.00 pin is priced at $2500.00 and the seller is a greedy son of a bitch.

    4) A $2500.00 pin is priced at $500.00. And the seller is an idiot. Unless a shark is the buyer, of course.

    5) A "buyer" with no money is a dreamer. Or a broke dick.

    #88 3 years ago
    Quoted from chuckwurt:

    You’re best to find a buyer before you even have to list it anywhere imo. So much easier. Once it’s listed on a public forum, who knows if it’s going to be an easy sale or buy.

    Networking. Developing pin friends.

    #90 3 years ago
    Quoted from BanditBen:

    It was really outside my price range, but I complimented the guy on it, asked why he was selling

    Perfect.

    The one thing you don't do to try and get the price down is to tell the seller what he has is a POS. Even if it is a POS, you can't say that.

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    #107 3 years ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    I don't like it when people do that. I don't want to negotiate against myself, lol.
    If someone makes an offer, I will certainly consider it, but it just seems strange when someone wants me to make an offer to myself on their behalf.

    Hey, I have the price on the windshield or in the add. That's my lowest price---until YOU make an offer that I can either accept or reject. If you ask me what my lowest price is I will just reference the price I put on the glass. And you can walk.

    I want $2500.00 for it. You don't want to pay the asking price? I'll flex. What will you give?

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