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How to Price? 1/10 Super Rare Game Plan Global Warfare Proto

By MiamiRedSkin

5 years ago


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#1 5 years ago

Hey All -

I'm struggling with this one. I recently picked up a very rare Game Plan Global Warfare, and due to space constraints, I am thinking about putting it up for sale. It's an oddball game for sure - history says only 10 prototypes were produced, and design was lead by none other than Roger Sharpe. The game is currently not working, but it's all complete and there. I'll be fumbling around with it to get it 100%, but how does one price something like this that has no data points to point to? Do you go to eBay, auction style? Put it on CL and Pinside as a 'Make Offer' thread? I'm lost on this one. Seller knew how rare the game was, so I didn't steal it, but any advice would be appreciated. This game specifically looks to be #9 of 10.
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#7 5 years ago
Quoted from pinzrfun:

"Recent" is an understatement, you just got it yesterday?
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/what-machine-did-you-bring-home-today-post-your-pictures/page/217
#10810 17 hours ago
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Scored this rare bird today. Looks like they only made 10. Weird Roger Sharpe game?

Picked up yesterday, but I've been after this machine for over a year. Not sure what you are getting at?

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#12 5 years ago
Quoted from pinzrfun:

You've been after it over a year, got it yesterday, and looking to price it as high as possible today........kinda what i was getting at.......

Well this thread took a turn. Really was looking to get general advice on how to price something that has no public record of selling. Do you know what I paid for it? I may have paid well more than what it is 'worth.'

Also, what's wrong with people trying to fund this hobby through trading, selling, buying? Are you going to go in every thread where someone is selling a Stern LE for 1-2k more than what they purchased it for and say the same thing? Man, I thought this was a pinball forum to discuss these kinds of things. Guess I'll just stick to lurking because it's just not worth it.

Please, go to every vendor selling used games at any pinball show and berate them because they are selling games for more than what they purchased them for.

#18 5 years ago
Quoted from brenna98:

miamiredskin sounds like that friend.
Reality is, many people (including myself) have never even heard of this game until today. We know 10 were made, so it's possible it wasn't good enough to go into production or Game Plan went under before it could. This could also mean bugs exist with the design.
We know it doesn't work because you told us. Likely acid damage like most game plan boards.
Lastly, like most rare games, anything with art or game specific is near impossible to replace if missing or broken.
Could be a risky buy not knowing if it can be playable again.
I predict it sells for 3k.

Geez, what is with all of the backlash? I have no friends that collect anything like this. I bought this from a gentleman who knew how rare of a machine he had. We had nothing to go off of sales-wise and we agreed on a price. I move machines in and out pretty frequently, and am in the middle of a move so looking to trim down the collection. Not sure why this thread became a personal attack on myself, but I guess this is what the forum has become.

Hey Brenna - I'm sure that 5K project quicksilver you sold is exactly what you picked it up for?

#27 5 years ago
Quoted from pinzrfun:

Nobody knows if this was a "good deal", including the buyer, though he's really hopeful that he's gonna make some coin and is looking for confirmation.
Like a lot of guys on here, I don't keep every game I buy either. Sometimes I'll clean, fix, play and sell a game and hopefully make a couple bucks to put towards the next one.
What I DON'T do is advertise that I bought a game yesterday that I'm not keeping and ask how much you think I can get for it because it's super rare. I think THAT leaves a bad taste in most people's mouths.

If you need to know all of the details, I bought this game in a package and am keeping the other game. It's not as rare and frankly, I don't collect the oddities which is why I am selling this game. I didn't leave any details out so I'm still not understanding the flack. In the pickup thread, I clearly stated that I am moving, have no room, and will most likely be putting this up for sale. I started the conversation about buying these games far before I was moving and had no idea that my allocated pinball space was shrinking to a mere fraction of what it is today when me and the seller finally agreed on a price.

In this thread, I was asking for advice on how to sell such an oddity. Clearly meant to have a discussion around selling something without any historical reference on price, yet you keep insisting that I am trying to stretch all of the coin out of the game to increase profits as much as possible. If you look at my history, I started a very similar thread about an original Big Foot translite that I was tinkering with the idea of selling. That was a much more robust conversation than this one turned into.

Again, you have no reference at all on how much I purchased this game for, nor the amount of time and effort it took to find it. I'm a totally reasonable dude - look at my feedback. I buy new in box games, I trade games, I buy used games, I sell some games - I think I'm a pretty standard collector, but your opinion can be whatever you want it to be.

#38 5 years ago
Quoted from brenna98:

Touche! At least I put up a for sale thread and paid the pinside fees.. I didn't expect it would sell for that much; it was a obo ad afterall.
Prior to that, no quicksilver prices were documented.
I hope you document the sale price so we can all rejoice in your good fortune.

Again, if you read my Thread title, it's 'How to Price,' not 'For Sale.' I have no issue keeping this game in storage, which is strange, because you would think I would get more flack from the community about putting this away in a vault than letting someone else enjoy it.

#41 5 years ago
Quoted from dothedoo:

Keep it for a while. If it's really a space issue, sell something else, or put something else in storage. Play the crap out of it and if you don't like it, then sell it. At least that way you can honestly say it wasn't for you and it's time to move on.
Not trying to be a dick or anything, but as a casual observer I think you're missing the point. You've been chasing this game for a year. You finally get it. And less than a day goes by and you're talking about selling it. That says flipper to me. Just as an outsider looking in, mind you.
That said, the previous owner agreed to a price and you paid him. It's your game and you have every right to do whatever you want with it. TNT it off a building if you want to. I just know that if you'd been hounding me for this game for a year and I finally gave in and sold it to you, I know how I'd feel if I found out you sold it the next day. Again, not trying to be a dick, just trying to help you understand how the previous owner could be hurt by this.
Pricewise, I don't know where to put it. Cyclopes and Brenna's Quicksilver both sold for $5K. Not as rare, but certainly desirable games. This one? Who knows. Not many people have played it. I played it at Expo, but it was not set up properly and didn't play well. A 1 of 10 game and I walked away after one game. I think I would start at $5-6K and see what kind of interest you get. On ebay, the rarity alone would certainly get people to throw stupid money at it.

I'm a hobbyist. When I think of flipper, I think of something completely different. I'm not a business - I'm a dude who enjoys the hunt of the find, playing, trading, buying, selling, and fixing them. I chased this game because I knew it was an oddity, and it was stashed away in a rinky-dink basement (as pictured in my original post) getting absolutely no love. I'm more of a modern guy, so while I love the provenance, I rather trade this or sell this to help fund a more recent game. I have no issue putting this in a storage unit, but for some reason, that seems even worse than selling or trading? Call me whatever you want - I disagree and that's fine.

#47 5 years ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

Honestly, I think that anyone who is valuing it more than a couple grand isn't actually legitimately interested in the game enough to put cash on the table and is just throwing out random numbers.
1) Yes, it's rare, but as dung said, rarity != $$
2) It's game plan. It's not a particularly popular manufacturer to begin with. Imagine someone trying to sell an equally rare game from Bell Games or Playmatic or something.
3) It's non-working. From a manufacturer with low popularity. And hard to find parts.
4) It's not a popular/mythical title that people talk about, unlike Loch Ness Monster or Cyclopes. A game with the right theme, layout, and artwork can fetch a considerable sum. A game that doesn't have those things, not so much. I've had to face the reality with the rare games I've owned that don't tick all those boxes, which can make it tough to sell them.
So, you'll have to find someone who finds the rarity desirable, isn't afraid to tackle repairs on this type of game, and who might be interested in the gameplay/layout/artwork.
It would be easier to sell if it was working, and if there was a gameplay video available. Buying a rare game blind without seeing what it can do, how it plays, and what the code is like can drastically affect the price.
In order to get a significant price, a potential buyer is going to have to be interested in several aspects of the game.
Would I throw $500 at it? Sure, for me, it's a no-brainer. I don't mind tinkering with rare games, games without documentation, or game plan games. $1000? Maybe. $1500+, probably not--just because I don't tick all of the boxes for this game. I find the rarity and history of the game interesting, but artwork and layout don't really seem too interesting to me (or rather, enough to spend a considerable sum on it, anyway).
Would someone else be legitimately willing to put a significant cash sum on the table right now in order to beat out every one else to it? I have no idea. But judging from the responses in this thread, the interest level is lukewarm at best.
In any case, it is a cool find.

Appreciate the analysis. This is why I started the thread for posts like this. I can tell you that I have a lot more into it than the prices you would be interested in. Behind the Stern/Bally favorites of this era, I do think Game Plan games are next in line for love. Look at Andromeda and Cyclopes and the prices they are fetching. Then the games like Loch Ness Monster which you alluded to, which is fetching crazy, crazy amounts (more than any Stern/Bally).

It's odd - when people buy machines, they are so concerned about it working/not working. I of course care about working condition when I'm paying top dollar, but everything can be repaired. It's the cosmetics that are most concerning to me, especially the playfield, and of course the game being complete, which this one is (as parts would be impossible to find). I have other game plan machines that I can use as guides or even use parts to get it up and running, so that shouldn't be an issue.

I'm leaning towards keeping it for a awhile and possibly sticking in storage until I have some more room. Might be a cool game to bring to Pincinnati next year, as other collectors brought rediculously cool games for others to enjoy like Varkon, Star Light, Warlok, Joust, Rat Race, etc.

#66 5 years ago
Quoted from dozer1:

Have you come up with a number yet?

No, not yet. Thinking about keeping it for awhile and getting it 100%. There's an added complexity of me being in Cincinnati and the game in Chicago, so I'm not sure when I can get to it.

P.S: Hope you are enjoying the Banzai run. That's one that I miss and regret selling

#69 5 years ago
Quoted from snyper2099:

I'm confident I can get it working for you but I can't travel to Chicago.

I can most likely bring it back to Cincinnati whenever I can get there. I have 4 other machines that I need to transport back, too. I will keep you updated, but I doubt it will be in during Q1 2019.

#72 5 years ago
Quoted from Marvin:

which is it, you been after this game for a year, or it's just a throw in you didn't want?

Please read the thread before posting. I’m moving and have less room. I’m putting up a number of games for sale to see which ones sell first as I rather not throw them in storage for an unbeknownst amount of time. There seems to be more drama on Pinside than daytime TV these days.

Also, this is not a for sale ad. This thread was intended to discuss value and how to sell a game without a history or record of price.

#81 5 years ago

The obscure/rare pinball market is not in my knowledge base. I paid what the seller thought was fair, so that price was determined by only two people. Is the Mr. Pinball price guide that most people reference only a culmination of 1 sale for each game? If I buy a garbage whitewater off of a collector for $8K, does that make it worth $8K?

#85 5 years ago
Quoted from pinzrfun:

Didnt that say 5k 2 minutes ago??
10k by 1pm!

I was afraid that people would argue 5K for a garbage whitewater is 'market value.' I should stop second guessing myself, as well as keep responding to comments on here.

#88 5 years ago
Quoted from pinzrfun:

Didnt that say 5k 2 minutes ago??
10k by 1pm!

Gosh, I know why your username sounds familiar. Looking at your history, you were the one trying re-sell a Menards toy for a 2x profit.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/animated-afm-topper-at-expo

I start a thread asking the value and how to sell an oddball game with no history and get flack from you, while you try and resell a $89 toy for $199 to the community. Seems appropriate that you are the one who called me a flipper.

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