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How to fix an error in restoration? (MB CD)


By Nepi23

4 years ago



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#1 4 years ago

Hi!

I have had my MB playfield restored and everything else was more or less ok, but the
restorer forgot to paint the inner rim of the CD in the middle. Apparently the reason
was the difficulty with handling the letters in the inner rim.

The playfield was clearcoated and reassembled by the restorer, so everything
is in their place now.

Any way - what would you do with the inner rim of the CD? Just leave it be,
since it is now under smooth clear coat, cover it with a decal or what would you
suggest be the most elegant way to handle this? I did talk about this with the
restorer and he suggested to leave it be.

The inner rim bugs me, so any suggestions on how to proceed would be most
appreciated.

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#2 4 years ago

If you want to keep it simple, you could paint the inner ring from underneath the insert with a black acrylic. It would match the rest of the finish, and could be removed later if you wanted to.

#3 4 years ago

personally i would live with it, might make it worse messing with it. if it really wiggs you out you could try finding a piece of pvc tube or copper or whatever of same OD of the inside of the insert and make a collar you could put inside of the insert to block the light.

#4 4 years ago

I think it looks much cooler the way it is.

Yves

#5 4 years ago
Quoted from Arcane:

I think it looks much cooler the way it is.
Yves

I agree I think it looks cooler too but ...

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#6 4 years ago

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#7 4 years ago

"Restorer"???? ...that's quite generous. You paid him money for that?

What he did was like a chef giving you a raw scallop because it was too hard to cook.

#8 4 years ago
Quoted from JoeGrenuk:

"You paid him money for that?

Yes, of course, that was the worst spot, otherwise the restore job was more or less ok.
I think I will try to make the collar inside of the insert. Thanks for the tips!

#9 4 years ago

Why not 3D print a collar / shadow ring?

#10 4 years ago
Quoted from Zitt:

Why not 3D print a collar / shadow ring?

That would be great, but I have no access to/knowledge how to use 3D-printers, so I have to
do something else "manually"

#11 4 years ago
Quoted from Nepi23:

That would be great, but I have no access to/knowledge how to use 3D-printers, so I have to
do something else "manually"

They are surprisingly common around where I am. I have at least half a dozen friends I could email a file to am get it printed today. Ask around your social circle, you might be surprised (or I am weird). We also have one in our public library for free use. And we have one at work for employees to play around with for fun.

I am not bragging, just trying to demonstrate how these are not some specialist equipment any more. They are around.

That said, you still need to build the model, which has a learning curve.

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#12 4 years ago

Tried creating a collar, but it does not work. The light gets under the black collar inside the insert from underneat it, as the inside of the insert is not level.

I guess the best solution now is to use the sharpie on top of the playfield? But no clear should be applied on it then? What kind of sharpie - would e.g. permanent overhead projector pen work?

#13 4 years ago
Quoted from Nepi23:

Tried creating a collar, but it does not work. The light gets under the black collar inside the insert from underneat it, as the inside of the insert is not level.
I guess the best solution now is to use the sharpie on top of the playfield? But no clear should be applied on it then? What kind of sharpie - would e.g. permanent overhead projector pen work?

These days people are using paint pens more than sharpie's.
There are a ton of different ones. Look for one that has a high solid count in the paint if you go that route.

#14 4 years ago
Quoted from Nepi23:

I have had my MB playfield restored and everything else was more or less ok, but the
restorer forgot to paint the inner rim of the CD in the middle. Apparently the reason
was the difficulty with handling the letters in the inner rim.

The letters are no excuse.

All he had to do was scan the area, print a waterslide decal with the complete black ring, and clear over it.

Every restorer does this a dozen times a day.

#15 4 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

The letters are no excuse.
All he had to do was scan the area, print a waterslide decal with the complete black ring, and clear over it.
Every restorer does this a dozen times a day.

Thanks for the info. I have to admit, I cannot understand with this info that why he left that undone as it is in
the middle of the playfield. He did not offer to rectify the error either. Apparently he has too much work and too little time. Come to think of it that I also gave him my tumbler as a bonus - I had not noticed the error first.

Well, I will have to get a paint pen and ask a friend to help. Apparently no clear should be used on top of a paint pen then.

#16 4 years ago
Quoted from Nepi23:

Well, I will have to get a paint pen and ask a friend to help. Apparently no clear should be used on top of a paint pen then.

You will not be able to draw a smooth curve with a paint pen. It will look like trash, right in front of your face on the playfield.

As a bonus, the paint pen will chip off quickly without a clear coat over the top to protect it.

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The only real fix that's going to last more than a few months (especially in that high traffic area) is to waterslide decal, then reclear the playfield.

If you spot-clear, it will chip off, just like it does when someone tries to spot-clear a car.

#17 4 years ago

Yes, that is bad. You should sue the guy who did this.

I'm not a restorer. Nepi askd me if I could fix drac line wooden area for MB he had bought. I agreed with reasonable price. When I got the machine it turned out that it was quite badly fixed and had REALLY thick clearcoat with all dirt sealed under it. After I had disassembled the playfield I told Nepi that there was no point trying to fix it, that he should buy repro playfield instead. Then he tried to bid down the price for playfield swap, so I agreed to do best I can with the playfield, with original price.

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#20 4 years ago

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#21 4 years ago

Honestly ..... It looks great. Use a less bright LED or leave it alone. I have brand new games that do the same thing. Dont make it worst to where you keep staring at it. You will never get it the way you like . Gotta say, im very picky about stuff... but that I would live with that.

#22 4 years ago

And yes, there is really no excuse for bad work. I noticed that insert after I had done final clearcoat. But with Nepi complaining that whole process took too long, I decided to let it be. I also told him that there was no point trying to spot fix it and I would have to strip down the playfield to fix it.

This is REALLY stupid to go over these things on public forum. Sorry for that. And I DO take full responsibility for the work I have done. (And thanks Vid for your guide and response )

Peace and love & play better!

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#23 4 years ago
Quoted from Iizi:

Yes, that is bad. You should sue the guy who did this.
I'm not a restorer. Nepi askd me if I could fix drac line wooden area for MB he had bought. I agreed with reasonable price. When I got the machine it turned out that it was quite badly fixed and had REALLY thick clearcoat with all dirt sealed under it. After I had disassembled the playfield I told Nepi that there was no point trying to fix it, that he should buy repro playfield instead. Then he tried to bid down the price for playfield swap, so I agreed to do best I can with the playfield, with original price.

1) That is not true - we agreed on the restauration of the whole playfield, not only on the drac lane and that's what I bought! Surely you would not have restaured the whole playfield if that would have been case that we would have agreed only on the restauration of the drac lane? Also it would have been nice to know if you are not into restauring playfields, cause that was what I though - of course I would have then brought my playfield somewhere else.

2) Yes, you told me that the restauration was more difficult than you had anticipated and you proposed that should I get a new playfield instead. I said that it is ok as well if the restauration would not work and I would get a new playfield instead, but then the work would consist of only moving the hardware from a playfield to another. You said that you wanted to go ahead with the restauration instead and that was fine with me of course, as originally agreed. I had no clue on how difficult the restauration job would be - I am no expert on such matters - you as a restaurer have a much better view on such matters.

As I had bought the restauration of the whole playfield, I was surprised by some of the things that were not done: most important was the ring in middle. As you told me that thing could not be restaured because of the lettering in the middle around the CD and I thought that is the case then. But as I was informed, that would have been something easy to be restaured.

#24 4 years ago
Quoted from Iizi:

And yes, there is really no excuse for bad work. I noticed that insert after I had done final clearcoat. But with Nepi complaining that whole process took too long, I decided to let it be. I also told him that there was no point trying to spot fix it and I would have to strip down the playfield to fix it.
This is REALLY stupid to go over these things on public forum. Sorry for that. And I DO take full responsibility for the work I have done. (And thanks Vid for your guide and response )
Peace and love & play better!

I had not been bugging you about the restauration work and its length, of course from time to time I asked about how the work is proceeding. Of course the work takes it time and I would have waited for a better end result. You yourself told me that some of the things left undone were due to you having other projects and terrible hurry.

If you want to fix the errors, I am more than happy to give you my playfield for restauration to get things right. It is a shame that it would require the disassembling of the playfield though I am not however willing to pay for that work.

I would have approached you privately about the ring with the information that I got from Vid - until yesterday I thought that it was not restaurable because of the lettering around the ring. That's why I asked here for tips on how to do it some other way. We tried creating the collar inside the insert with a friend yesterday but that did not work at all.

#25 4 years ago

Can we see a pic of yours?

#26 4 years ago
Quoted from sed6:

Can we see a pic of yours?

I guess you are referring to what I was unhappy with the restored playfield? Sure.

The main thing was the CD-ring (picture in the start of this thread), but these were surprises
to me as well as I bought a restored playfield. Fortunately they do not stare into your eyes,
like the CD-ring does once you have noticed it.

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#27 4 years ago

Not trying to fuel a fire........ But how the hell can that playfield be called restored. Looks as if stuff was not even repaired just cleared over

I would be pissed too. A repro is only about 800 bucks right. Hope you did not pay more than 400/500 hundred

#28 4 years ago
Quoted from hoby1:

Not trying to fuel a fire........ But how the hell can that playfield be called restored. Looks as if stuff was not even repaired just cleared over
I would be pissed too. A repro is only about 800 bucks right. Hope you did not pay more than 400/500 hundred

I paid over the price of a repro, cause I wanted original restored playfield, but it did include disassembly and assembly of playfield + cleaning of parts.

Well, I am hoping Iizi will take full responsibility of his work as he said and will fix this. I will report back if that happens.

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