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How to feel about these exorbitant pinball prices

By Charlemagne1987

5 months ago


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    #1 5 months ago

    Anyone who's been paying any attention lately knows about the ridiculously high prices some sellers are putting on their games...JJP POTC's for $20K to $40K, Tron LE for $25K, etc. But even ones no longer considered exorbitant are crazy high...newer games regularly going for between $10K and $15K. Of course the market dictates prices and anyone is free to ask whatever they want for a game. But I'm wondering if this Wild West of pricing is ultimately hurting the hobby. Is it destined to become only a "rich man's hobby"? Will there be a normalization of prices eventually? Will these high prices prevent new blood from joining the hobby, thereby damaging pinball's future? I don't think any pinhead wants to see the dark days of the late 90s/early 2000s return. I hope we are not hastening that return with these crazy prices. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

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    #2 5 months ago

    If you guys want the price of machines to go down, get me out of the hobby. Its all my fault. As soon as I started really getting in to Pinball, the prices went up. I'm cursed. If you ever see me in line at the store, pick another line because I promise the line I'm on will take the longest.....

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    #3 5 months ago

    It hasn't gone unnoticed. There's been a few recent threads about this phenomenon.

    https://beta.pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/are-we-at-the-peak-of-pinball-pricing/

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pingreed-is-a-cancer-is-there-a-cure/

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/when-will-nft-s-hit-the-pinball-hobby

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/prices-dropping-

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-collecting-and-opportunity-cost

    Quoted from Charlemagne1987:

    . Is it destined to become only a "rich man's hobby"?

    That depends upon your tastes.

    I saw someone mention today that they were having trouble trying to sell a working MIBS for $500. That sounds pretty affordable to me.

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    #4 5 months ago

    I dont care.

    If i dont like the price for something I will not pay for it.

    Its like magic how that works.

    #5 5 months ago

    Wait. What?!?! Prices have gone up?

    #6 5 months ago

    Do any of these new people ever think to look over the first few pages of threads before starting another price thread??? OP....You think you are the only one to think "prices really seem to be getting high, wonder if anyone else thinks the same way. I better start a thread."

    #7 5 months ago

    Honestly, it's just shifted which games I target. When I was first getting into the hobby games like Attack From Mars and Twilight Zone were way outside of my budget. Now, I own both. Chicago Gaming Company has seemingly put a upper limit on most of the 90s era games. The price increases have allowed me to sell entry level games to pickup some of the games I always dreamed about owning.

    #8 5 months ago

    One thing that you absolutely do not have to buy right now is a pinball machine.

    Be patient
    Nothing to see here

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    #9 5 months ago

    Haha just you wait until you see the price of gas this summer and the food costs early fall...

    #10 5 months ago
    Quoted from cards25:

    Do any of these new people ever think to look over the first few pages of threads before starting another price thread??? OP....You think you are the only one to think "prices really seem to be getting high, wonder if anyone else thinks the same way. I better start a thread."

    If by "new" you mean someone who has been on pinside for over a year and a half, checking it nearly every day, then yeah! Okay. I'm also not new to the hobby, having bought my first pin in 2003. Just because I don't have the time or inclination to read through the hundreds of threads that have come before me doesn't give you cause to hit me with stupid ass sarcasm. I was looking for honest thoughts on the subject. If you don't want to give them go ahead and ride your high horse off to some other thread.

    #11 5 months ago
    Quoted from Nevus:

    One thing that you absolutely do not have to buy right now is a pinball machine.
    Be patient
    Nothing to see here

    exactly

    #12 5 months ago
    Quoted from Charlemagne1987:

    If by "new" you mean someone who has been on pinside for over a year and a half, checking it nearly every day, then yeah! Okay. I'm also not new to the hobby, having bought my first pin in 2003. Just because I don't have the time or inclination to read through the hundreds of threads that have come before me doesn't give you cause to hit me with stupid ass sarcasm. I was looking for honest thoughts on the subject. If you don't want to give them go ahead and ride your high horse off to some other thread.

    half these goons think you are a newb if you have not been on here for 5 years. I have a friend who has been in the hobby since the 70's and he does not even know what pinside is.

    #13 5 months ago

    Yes, these prices prevent new blood from entering the hobby, especially when you weigh the use of this toy against other toys of similar cost.

    #14 5 months ago
    Quoted from JediMcMuffin:

    Yes, these prices prevent new blood from entering the hobby, especially when you weigh the use of this toy against other toys of similar cost.

    yep, I have several friends and some neighbors who want a game and the prices have scared them off. Location play should be doing well right now, because no one is going to pay these idiot prices, at least not your average person.

    #15 5 months ago

    I just put a deposit on Iron maiden selling for 6k and I thought that was insane ,can’t imagine paying 20k for a pinball .

    #16 5 months ago

    Might reinvigorate on-premise when the cost of a pin is equal to a year's rent.....

    #17 5 months ago
    Quoted from woody76:

    half these goons think you are a newb if you have not been on here for 5 years. I have a friend who has been in the hobby since the 70's and he does not even know what pinside is.

    I know, right? The snobbishness of some of these Pinsiders is simply amazing. I guess any idiot can hide behind a keyboard and think they're the Defender of the Pinside Realm.

    #18 5 months ago
    Quoted from JediMcMuffin:

    Yes, these prices prevent new blood from entering the hobby, especially when you weigh the use of this toy against other toys of similar cost.

    That's what I was getting at. I've been encouraging some younger gamers to get into pinball, but when they see the prices of many of these games they balk and say they'd rather stick with what they can afford. And that, I fear, is bad for the hobby in the long run.

    #19 5 months ago

    Well, on the flip side if the prices are going up, this means that the supply is low and demand is high. So I think that's a good thing. I do hope it sticks. Otherwise I probably paid way too much for the games I currently have. But I'm not planning on parting with them for a long long time.....so it likely doesn't matter much.

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    #20 5 months ago
    Quoted from Charlemagne1987:

    That's what I was getting at. I've been encouraging some younger gamers to get into pinball, but when they see the prices of many of these games they balk and say they'd rather stick with what they can afford. And that, I fear, is bad for the hobby in the long run.

    The truth is, it's never been an affordable hobby. Even when NIB games were $4000 and used games were $1000-$5000 - those aren't impulse purchase prices for most people. One always needed space & disposable income for this hobby.

    It's harder today than it used to be, but if you're patient & resourceful - you can still end up with a "cheap" pinball machine. Hunting them down and fixing them yourself used to be part of the hobby...you don't have to buy NIB Limited/Collectors Editions to be part of it.

    #21 5 months ago
    Quoted from Rarehero:

    The truth is, it's never been an affordable hobby. Even when NIB games were $4000 and used games were $1000-$5000 - those aren't impulse purchase prices for most people. One always needed space & disposable income for this hobby.
    It's harder today than it used to be, but if you're patient & resourceful - you can still end up with a "cheap" pinball machine. Hunting them down and fixing them yourself used to be part of the hobby...you don't have to buy NIB Limited/Collectors Editions to be part of it.

    Depends on your market a bit too

    #22 5 months ago

    I should sell all my machines and retire in Patagonia like the Dread Pirate Roberts.

    #23 5 months ago
    Quoted from Coindork:

    I should sell all my machines and retire in Patagonia like the Dread Pirate Roberts.

    I'll go next, I love wearing masks

    #24 5 months ago
    Quoted from Rarehero:

    Hunting them down and fixing them yourself used to be part of the hobby...

    I wish this was still the case. The turds are way overpriced and if they are even remotely priced appropriately it will be gobbled up in seconds and relisted in days. Too many diamond hands looking for quick GAINS. It really has taken the joy out of the hobby.

    #25 5 months ago
    Quoted from ruralcollector:

    I wish this was still the case. The turds are way overpriced and if they are even remotely priced appropriately it will be gobbled up in seconds and relisted in days. Too many diamond hands looking for quick GAINS. It really has taken the joy out of the hobby.

    Yeah it's def harder now as there's not as much inventory around any given town as there used to be....but, it can still happen with a little legwork and patience. I was buying a game or two a week off Craigslist for a while back around 2009-2010...there were plenty of vultures & flippers back then, too. Just had to be on the ball & beat them to the punch!

    I think it's truly the "I want it now" and "I want it new" crowd that's driven prices up....and they're fine paying it, soooo...here we are. It SEEMS like it's bad for the hobby, yet it's expanded the hobbyists.

    #26 5 months ago

    I've been wanting to start a thread and title it "pinball price comparison" and then in the post have pics of what people are selling like this:

    https://www.pinballlife.com/1-116-pinball-standard-size.html

    Technically I'm not wrong

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    #27 5 months ago

    Man prices are nuts, anything in the marketplace doesn't last very long, the Pinsider owners must be making pretty good dough on the sales happening right now. Lets keep it up!

    #28 5 months ago

    I feel about the same as I do, about the real day to day purchase needs that have sky rocketed, but this inflation has been artificially at bay for years!

    #29 5 months ago

    I don't care how much these things cost to buy, I'm not buying them. Just don't make them a $5 game to play in the arcade!

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    #31 5 months ago
    Quoted from Charlemagne1987:

    If you don't want to give them go ahead and ride your high horse off to some other thread.

    Oh man that was funny......

    #32 5 months ago

    I just sold my 1968 Royal Guard for $1100. Was a $750 game according to the Pinside database.

    I think $1100 was a good price and the Pinside database is low.

    There are deals out there just ignore the silly 25k ads.

    #33 5 months ago

    I keep selling my older games and buying new. currently have celts the games and tbl on preorder.

    The greed has gotten old. It is off putting. It makes me want to deal with people in this hobby less and less. The bullshit excuses ceased to be interesting.

    #34 5 months ago
    Quoted from Elvishasleft:

    I dont care.
    If i dont like the price for something I will not pay for it.
    Its like magic how that works.

    Couldn't have said it better myself. There hasn't been a game yet that I haven't been able to get at a price I wanted to pay with just a little bit of patience, so I'm not worried about it. People can price their games however they want and I'll just shake my head and move on.

    #35 5 months ago
    Quoted from woody76:

    yep, I have several friends and some neighbors who want a game and the prices have scared them off. Location play should be doing well right now, because no one is going to pay these idiot prices, at least not your average person.

    Sometimes I wonder if this is the end goal. To shake off home buyers. In theory a route guy should be buying more games (assuming location pinball is doing well). Turn and burn where as a home buyer will buy and sell/trade within the home buyers market at a much slower pace. No one "buys the cow" anymore, we go to the store for milk.

    We have already well past that line were financially it makes no sense what so ever to own a machine. Personally if there were places around me to play, I would just buy a year pass and be done with it. No maintenance, fresh line up, way cheaper.

    #36 5 months ago

    The problem is location games usually play like shit!

    #37 5 months ago

    this bubble is about to pop, I can feel it in my bones

    #38 5 months ago

    IF prices keep going up I will sell my collection for a sweet profit and get out. Maybe keep 1-2 of my favorites. But that’s it!

    #39 5 months ago
    Quoted from cait001:

    this bubble is about to pop, I can feel it in my bones

    Every time someone says this...or feels it...I say the same thing. Only thing that causes a pop or prices to fall is too many people selling the same titles at once coupled with lack of demand.

    I just don't see that happening.

    Even if a bunch of one title popped up at once...there'd be plenty of people to snap them up.

    #40 5 months ago
    Quoted from cait001:

    this bubble is about to pop, I can feel it in my bones

    If two more people use the b-word CrazyLevi is going to appear.

    #41 5 months ago
    Quoted from Rarehero:

    Hunting them down and fixing them yourself used to be part of the hobby...

    That should be THE hobby.

    #42 5 months ago

    Nothing is selling for 24-40k

    #43 5 months ago
    Quoted from NPO:

    That should be THE hobby.

    I don’t think that should be the only qualifying factor. Owning, maintaining and above all...playing is the hobby. Doesn’t have to be hunting and fixing. I have been leaning more towards nib just because i need a break from fixing up games. Though to be honest I am always working on something. Right now i am working on a shuffle bowler and an arcade (arcade for someone else).

    #44 5 months ago
    Quoted from nicoy3k:

    Nothing is selling for 24-40k

    No but how many games are randomly jumping up in price. I have 0 interest in buying your used game for as much or more than you paid new. This is across the board. Doesn't matter what title some idiot in the community is doing it. If it gets criticized there are more idiots defending them.

    It makes little sense.

    #45 5 months ago

    There is a lot of truth here, but times have changed a ton. I have visited other forums where so called newbies are treated like crap and belittled and I thought I can’t wait to get back to Pinside where people are kind and aren't afraid to post.

    But here I am and I see some of the same stuff here. If someone posts and it irritates you please just say nothing if you can't be nice.

    The thrill of the hunt is pretty much gone. I have wanted a MM and a Monster Bash for over 10 years, yes one has to be patient but I'm tired of waiting. The hobby was dying off years ago and many of us old timers tried to help bring it back and have fun doing it.

    It still is fun but I'm not sure many non rich people will be enjoying it at home.

    #46 5 months ago
    Quoted from nicoy3k:

    Nothing is selling for 24-40k

    Maybe not regularly. There has been a few.

    LTG : )

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    #47 5 months ago
    Quoted from Pinball_Postal:

    If someone posts and it irritates you please just say nothing if you can't be nice.

    Someone was coddled too much. Grow a thicker skin.

    How about, if you can't handle the internet don't go online.

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    #48 5 months ago

    If you want to know why prices are soaring, look at the number of people entering the hobby... I see several posts a week from collectors that are afraid to pop up the playfield on their game, or don't know how to make simple adjustments on their games. No criticism, we were all there once... it just indicates there are ALOT of new people entering the hobby. Hell, it took me 6 months to get a pin I ordered NIB on day one... that is how back ordered the manufacturers are...

    It's simple supply and demand. There is a limited supply relative to a very high demand, driving up prices. Will prices go down? Sure, when demand does... I can remember paying $1400 for a good TAF, and $2K for a TZ thinking those were expensive. I am still kicking myself for selling my medieval madness at a healthy profit (years ago) for $6K because I thought it was too much money to have in one pin. Pinball is in a current golden age... covid amplified it. I don't see it slowing any time soon. The last time pins were "cheap" was when the arcade market collapsed. Well, the arcade market is soaring, and so is home collecting.

    #49 5 months ago
    Quoted from WackyBrakke:

    IF prices keep going up I will sell my collection for a sweet profit and get out. Maybe keep 1-2 of my favorites. But that’s it!

    You’ll need that profit with the price of everything else going up.

    #50 5 months ago
    Quoted from dung:

    Someone was coddled too much. Grow a thicker skin.
    How about, if you can't handle the internet don't go online.

    How about you act like an adult.

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