$5,000-5500

I would guess, if pressed for criminal charges, it would be about 10-20 years in jail for copywrite infringement.

So, what's your time worth to you?

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I wouldn't buy either one for obvious reasons but there are people that would unfortunately. My guess is that if you had a room of willing buyers (assholes) and had an auction, these machines would go for around

Predator 15-20K
MG 35-40K

I doubt the poster intends that you warrant any malice, it's just that your tenacious nature is overwhelming on the average pinsider, myself included.

You mean like this one....
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Just when I though you were getting better kaneda you come and lay this giant steaming pile of shit on pinside

Love how kaneda asks this question then innocently pretends to not understand why its in incredibly bad taste.

Yes, im not saying stupidity like that should be banned, but its still in bad taste.

Just becase you CAN do a thing, doesnt remotely mean you SHOULD do a thing.

Come bsck and ask after the million+ dollars people have been defrauded has been resolved.... To ask it now is purely trolling the forum.... The timing (after a Predator turned up) is anything but coincidental.

Not shocking as this is what attention whores do....

So what is the history on Kaneda and why are people taking pot shots at him on threads he starts? I agree that this discussion is a bad idea considering how fresh the wounds still are for many unfortunate pinsiders.

Wonder if Kevin left the laptop inside the cab or is it just a shell?

See, there are modern games with worse cab art then GOT.

The only rightful place for one of these prototypes would be a large public collection like the pinball hall of fame. Either that or a museum.

You can go research his past but basically he stole a rare arcade game from a kid and then made the kid jump through all sorts of hoops to get his money. Nobidy will ever know if the kid realy got his money as Kandeda was doing things like making the kid delete posts which talked bad about him as blackmail to get the funds. For all we know he is still taking advantage of the kid.

He now claims he has paid up but it appears the kid was still severely hurt by the situation.

Not much, they are one offs that have a very limited audience

Obviously, you think it should.

Consider this:

Are either of these machines really a prototype in the traditional sense. Or are they simply a one off garage build from failed ventures.

Notorious machines yes, but in my mind certainly not valued as a prototype or sample machine of a production run from an established manufacture.

In that context I view both of these machines as novelties with minimal value. Especially the Predator.

It's not stupidity. He knows exactly what He's doing. Kaneda is a troll who lives on pinside. Even moderated forums are obviously not immune.

Their notoriety gives them their value. The history, the story is the worth.

This looks semi playable to me. I didn't know it made it this far though.

Yeah, I get that. But what value? For me it isnt much and again I see them as novelties. To each his own I guess.

I had no idea it was that far along. Looked real nice too. No wonder so many preordered this.

Ahh.....another great morning....good morning all.....does anybody around here PLAY pinball.....or just sit around bitching about it all day....???!!!...............Joey

Quoted for irony.

I'm no psychologist, but I think the reason why most people react so vitriolic to most of your threads, Kaneda, is because they highlight a materialistic part of society that they're trying to get away from when playing pinball (and visiting this site). I'm guessing most people are here because they think pinball is fun. Most of the threads you start however seem to revolve around monetary value (and deriving social status from that). You hardly seem talk about the fun aspect of pinball, but almost exclusively about what stuff's worth in dollars.

To me, it makes you come across as someone that doesn't "get" the fun-factor, the positive emotions that drive people to dive into this hobby. On top of that, by again starting a monetary focused thread on a topic that caused a lot of people a lot of emotional stress, you come across as even more materialistic than usual.

But hey, truth be told, you have improved a lot over the last half year or so, which is why I took the time to write this post. I'm not trying to bring you down, but just trying to make you see your posts from another perspective. Try to focus less on the money, and more on the fun man.

I was there playing it. I took that video.

But hey if thats semi playable....manually moving the ball around, Ramos not designed properly ,playfield overlay that was all bumpy and couldnt make the ramp,weak flippers. It had artwork and a ton of missing mechs

I like turtles.

- In before the LTG

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/kaneda-makes-good-on-felix-deal#post-1812857

while the thread title makes it sound like all is good, the content make it obvious that you played all sorts of games witht he kid just so he could attempt to get the money he was owed. I stopped paying attention after all this and pretty much wrote you off at that time.

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And yet you tried to buy a spot from someone in the list... you may have edited that post, but we do remember.

I have not written off what is owed to me for Predator. In fact, the exact opposite but I will not talk about ongoing legal matters.

I paid up on all predator bets I actually had and it was well documented that I did pay up.

Reality is that you obvioulsy played all sorts of games with that kid, including coercing him to make a BS thread and withholding funds until he did. He then admitted that you had even put him up to it and then you never came through with all the funds.

I should not say that i had written you off back then. Reality is that recently you have been a bit more tolerable and actually some fun to engage with on the forum. However, threads like this show that you have not broken your cycle and make me see that somethings may not be possible to change.

Don't forget where Kaneda impersonated Colton on EBay to screw up the FIF deal.

Kaneda later said he did it "as a joke".

Here's hoping this thread joins the dozens of other locked threads that Kaneda started.

Meet the need Kaneda.... Same as the old Kaneda.

Hey folks...whether you agree or don't with the topic, this is not going to turn into a "jump on Kaneda" thread. If you don't agree with the topic, don't post in it. If you have an opinion on the OP, leave it elsewhere. Take it up with the moderators. Start a thread in the Moderator Feedback area. But let's keep this on topic.

IBTL? (had to be said, LOL)

Not sure these would garner that much cash. Maybe some interest,
but they weren't made by a known company and they aren't "good"
titles. They weren't made at all. There wasn't a company.

Not sure all the hype/conjecture would create high bids.
Not sure it would even be a $1400 game, folks.
Sure not on many wish lists by Christmas.

My own opinion on this by the way...
The jpop stuff might have some value as a collector. It's got a lot of crazy ideas and would be an interesting conversation piece. Jpop screwed himself, but he does have some good history in the industry prior to this. The ZombieYeti artwork is gorgeous. I see it as being $7-10k.
The predator...not worth a thing. The only thing it has going for it is the scandal. I wouldn't even see it as a conversation piece, I would bury it under blankets. Even owning it is dubious. I wouldn't want anything to do with it.

And, for the record, I don't own either, nor have I ever been offered, or have interest in that.

That's the thing. I'm talking about perception. I can only judge the letters on the screen. I'm hoping you won't construe this as a dig at you, but I actually tried to test this statement quickly. I tried scoring the last 50 threads you started on monetary aspect. Judging conservatively (dollar sign in the title, "worth", "value", that sort of thing), and I labeled 18/50 threads as "about money" (36%). Then I tried to find a pinside member that was comparable to you in sign-up date and post-count in this thread , which turned out to be POMC. When I scored the 50 most recent threads he started, I scored 4/50 threads as "about money", resulting in a score of 8%. I can send you the excel file if you'd like to see the scores, btw.

So, statistics notwithstanding, roughly 1 out of 3 of your threads are "about money", whereas a random, somewhat comparable person is 4 times less likely to talk about money. If you want me to perceive you differently, talk about other stuff more often. I really liked the "what's so special" threads, and I can even enjoy you enjoying your hellcat. So keep it up man, you're improving!

I totally respect your opinion, but mine is the exact opposite.
- MG is barely playable. I have little space and would not take a precious spot for a non functional piece of furniture, even if good looking.
- Predator on the other hand is a fully functional game with a complete ruleset. Yes it's simple, nothing special but it's a decent shooting game.

Assuming it was legal and that the money would go to the unfortunate predator victims, I would openly bid on Predator, not on MG. Sadly I doubt my budget would allow me to win that auction anyway.
(except if my initial $4750 count !? )

LOL..."Freedom of Speech". Let me try that out.

"How much is Kaneda's prized collection of platypus vaginas worth?"

Yeah, see - you may have the freedom to say something, but you should also have the common sense to know when you're just being a platypus vagina.

*sigh* You were much cooler before you were a moderator. Now you're just WAY too serious. I long for the old days.

Anyway, slapping Kaneda around is one of my few little joys in life, and many times he brings it on himself. (And he was doing so good recently!) I'm also one of the first to defend him when it gets out of hand. Also, (I think) he knows I actually like him...I mean, what's not to like about a guy with TMNT bedding?

But in this case, Greg, I think the post was just offensive. So--to get back on topic before you eject me from this thread--let me answer the question of what a Magic Girl and Predator is worth: It's worth millions of lost dollars to people who believed in boutique pinball enough to support two guys with a vision. They entrusted their cash to those guys and watched it vanish. And now to have prototypes floating around being rubbed in their faces just adds insult to injury. And then Kaneda has to throw gasoline on the fire.

So, yeah...the attacks on Kaneda are directly tied to the subject of this thread and, I think, are actually relative to the topic. It was insensitive, hurtful, and showed a complete disregard for the feelings of people who've lost a ton of cash on something they were excited about and believed in.

See you in 24 hours...

/eject

PS - I think you should lock the thread.

Seems to be a lot people getting their "shine on" here on pinside...Cars, homes, pin collections, kids, gas powered power tools, pets, peacocks, home movie theaters, etc...

And with that, everyone falls into one of 3 categories...Love it! tolerate or ignore it hate it!

I agree. Even with all the well deserved negativity, it's an interesting question. Neither off them are worth much to me, but an auction might bring in a surprising amount.

Beelzeboob for Pinside Mayor.

Some people just don't get it...

Courtesy is too much to ask for.

I second the notion.

Don't the original disney fif's go for $20k? thats a hell of a steal then