You tease

There is a bug in the code that prevents 5YM and even EA from lighting

I'm sensing a code update is in order.

For sure the vengence wasn't lit. Even EA the vengence wasnt lit.
On 5YM. The only lit was all 6 missions on the matrix. I was literally just shooting the ball anywhere to get something to happen. I had 2 balls.

I can't remember the exact order on how I played the missions early. But the last missions I remember clearly

I think it went like this

PD 1
KB 1
Nero 1
PD 2
PD 3
KB 2 (certain at this point in order of missions)
KB 3
Nero 2
Nero 3
STE 1
STE 2
STE 3
DTD 1
Dtd 2
SJ 1
KM
SJ 2
EA
Sj3
Dtd3

Just shooting the ball around now

For sure now 2 ball multiball after finishing drd3. I had the captain chairs lit and had 110 hits in the pops to go. I could hit the 3 light lock targets and I did and then I started Klingon multiball to help to finish the pops. I actually thought that is what I had to do. But after finishing the pops. Nothing but all 6 mission maxtrixes were lit. Nothing on the dmd saying anything to shoot "X"

I'm not 100% certain but fairly certain that I started EA with the under the upper right shot and 100% certain the vengence wasn't lit for EA. That when I got to 5YM and nothing was lit that I had to find the shot vs the machine telling me in bright lights on where to shoot. Thought 3 modes 3 different starting shots

Yes need will help me to understand everything

Interested.

Ditto. It sounds like Tuna_Delight won't be able to do this anytime soon if at all, what are the chances of someone else doing it do you think? I find it amazing that there isn't a complete rulesheet/guide around anywhere, trust me i've looked! This is only my second pinball machine, and my first modern Stern machine - so I'm not familiar with whether rulesheets eventually turn up for most of these machines or not?

In the past rulesheets only turn up if someone creates them.

With GOT and GB, Stern put out a flyer with most of the rules. Hopefully that continues in the future.

As for ST. A great deal of the rules and strategy are in this thread:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/star-trek-strategies-for-the-average-player

If there is something specific you would like to know, just ask. I know most of the rules and keep and eye and a couple ST threads.

Thanks, thats really helpful, I'll take a look

Something that I have always wondered about Nero 1. What resets the lit shots when u don't make a shot for a while?

SJ 1 it's X amount of seconds

But Nero 1 doesn't seemed to be by time. I think it's how many times the ball hits the slings. But I really don't know

Interesting. I just thought it was time. I'll pay attention a little more this weekend.

A rule change that would be nice if they implemented is a bonus is you hit all the shots to make them reset in Nero 1.

In case you weren't aware, in Nero 2, if you complete 3 shots before they reset you get a bonus. You get more of a bonus depending on how many of the multicolored shots you hit. The bonus also increases each time you are awarded it. The multicolored shots are Alpha/Beta/Scoop. I try to hit them in that order. If you do, the first bonus is around 2mil.