I know Esabee is working on it, but two heads are better than one.

Please, I need a rule sheet, I really enjoy playing games after I read the rules. Currently I don't play ST as much because I'm wanting to read the rules first.

I would love to see this put together.

Mark me a VERY interested

Yes, please! Happy New Year!

Sounds fantastic! As a future Star Trek owner, color me very interested.

Cant wait, please do!

Yes, Wow your Mustang summary is awesome. Star Trek is my favorite pin and I'm not even scratching the surface of how cool it is.

Do you really have to ask? YES! Bring it on!

Do it... Do it...

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I would be interested, especially if there was information on point awards for the different modes and shots. I think I have all the rules of the modes down, but I still haven't quite figured out how they calculate points.

I'd love to see this. Go for it!

Yes I'd be interested!

I'm very interested also. I look forward to reading it. I would be willing to help if I could.

I'd be happy to contribute as well.

Interested here...

I would be interested as well

Also interested. Can't wait to see it.

I would love to see this - it would be very much appreciated!

Agreed!

Yes, please do!

YES,

Wow, that would great, it would be a lot of work. Maybe SKB could give you the foundation.

Yes, thanks!

Me, too. Scoring seems to be full of variables. I think that would be tough to figure out without talking to programmers.

Myself,as well! Can't figure out how to go from level 2 to level 3 on missions?How does it end??Rules PLEASE!!!

I'm just guessing here

But isn't the starting value of a game for a lit shot 100,000pt and then each lit shot you make it goes up 35,000pt or 65,000pt or something like that?

However if you start the away mission. The lit shot is locked at whatever your lit shot value is multiplied by the away mission value.

That's my guess.

That's a good theory. Should be easy to verify with the glass off if I get time later this week.

I am absolutely interested. Thanks

Is it done yet?

thanks for doing this..

here is a nice AcDc rule sheet. I printed it out and it was something like 18 pages. Might be worth looking at, there is also a very comprehensive Tspp rules from a while back. Still looking for a good Metallica rule sheet. http://pinballarcadefans.com/showthread.php/4761-For-Those-About-to-Rock-AC-DC-Premium-LE-v1-65-Ruleset

But I learned a super ton of info I'd have never known otherwise.

I had suggested to Eskabee that it'd be nice for one brief maybe 2-3 page overview of the basic rules and then a more comprehensive rule sheet maybe with points (if possible).

anyway thanks again to both of you guys.

Yes I would be interested . Thank you for working on a rule sheet . Happy New Year !

Are there going to be more code updates? This is a big job, you don't want to go to all that effort only to have them move the goalposts with new code.

Heaven knows!

With the 3rd Star Trek film on it's way for 22nd July 2016, and i read somewhere on Pinside that Stern will be making more Premiums 'next year'; one can only hope they will pay the game some last respect and really squeeze out more of that untapped potential in the lighting effects and rules. Just a shame it might be another 5-6 months before we get to sample it...

If anything I'd like to see some side missions like the timed modes SM has like Rescue MJ or Bonesaw modes, just side missions/modes that bring in some variation from time to time.

Yes, please. Already a great game but I feel as if my approach to the game is haphazard at best.

I just tested this quickly with the glass off on two missions. Here are the scores I got:

NERO:

1st shot -- 100K (I believe)
2nd shot -- 145K
3rd shot -- 190K
Started away team
4th shot (red matter targets now) -- 1,180,000
5th shot -- 1,255,000
6th shot -- 1,330,000
7th shot -- 1,405,000

So the first shots were going up in value by 45K. Once I started away team, somehow the base value became 1.180M (not sure how -- it is not easily divisible by either 190K or 235K) and the shots increased by 75K.

DTD

1st shot -- 120K
2nd shot -- 165K
Started away team
3rd shot (left kickout) -- 855K
4th shot -- 930K
5th shot -- 1,005,000

So the away team shots are still increasing by 75K each time.

I didn't have time to play around with this enough. I'm guessing that the base away team shot is dependent upon how many prior regular mission shots you get -- I've heard this, and it has been my theory for a while now. The value of those regular shots appears to increase by 45K each time, with perhaps different starting values depending on the mission (??). The value of the away team shots appears to increase by 75K each time.

This will take a lot of additional work to verify. For instance, what if I did the same thing only starting with DTD and then doing Nero? What if I kept going through the missions? I need more time. Also, it is kind of a pain because as I write down the shot values, I take too much time, and the pin keeps going into ball search mode.

I'm very much looking forward to this! No pressure! lol. But seriously, thanks for your time and effort.

I know if your 1st mission is KB or SJ

The starting value is 100k and increases by 45k

I think the factors that determine the starting value is. How many missions completed in total while accounting for thier tiers, how many shots are availible. Ex. I think STE would have a higher starting vs KB or SJ because STE only has 3 shots and never more than that while KB1 has 6 shots to start than 5 after. SJ starts at 2 then increases if you can't make the shot

Thanks,

Is there any way to record the display and write/calculate the score later?

Seems more efficient that way.

I'm pretty sure the away team shot values depend on how many shots you completed in the regular mode. That or time. In a mode like STE, I have seen a huge difference in points. I remember being shocked seeing something like 40m score with only getting a few warp shots. Other times, I feel like I should have a huge score from hitting a bunch of warps but only have like 20m.

One thing I am curious about is scoring bonuses in modes. In Nero2, you get a bonus for hitting the left, middle, and right shot within a certain time period. If you get all the flashing shots, it can be a pretty big bonus. Hard to notice them unless you look up at the display at the right time. Curious if there are other modes with bonuses like that.

The other scoring thing I am curious about is the shot values in Kob. Maru. They used to be related to how well you did in the modes but not sure if that is still the case. I rarely complete Kob Maru but often get a ton of points from it.

That would certainly be more efficient, but it all takes time. Perhaps this weekend if I feel motivated. I have a feeling I could spend hours doing this and still not figure out the algorithms.

I've been playing more STLE, I've played it less than any pin in my collection.

I was playing more AcDc and Met after reading the rules and I'd concentrate on one aspect of the rules at a time. Kind of getting familiar with each area in isolation before putting it all together.

Hi Guys,

Here is how I see the scoring on Star Trek.

The base value of a mission is:
For Level 1 mission: 100 000 + 15 000 x (Number of shot level 1) + 30 000 x (Number of Shot level 2) + 45 000 x (Number of shot level 3)
For Level 2 mission: 200 000 + 15 000 x (Number of shot level 1) + 30 000 x (Number of Shot level 2) + 45 000 x (Number of shot level 3)
For Level 3 mission: 300 000 + 15 000 x (Number of shot level 1) + 30 000 x (Number of Shot level 2) + 45 000 x (Number of shot level 3)

Each shot on a Mission Level 1 increase by 45 000 pts.
Each shot on a Mission Level 2 increase by 60 000 pts.
Each shot on a Mission Level 3 increase by 75 000 pts.

You can double score for combo shots (or dual color on missions lvl.2 or 3), or even quadruple score for a combo on a dual color shots during a mission lvl.2 or 3.

Every 3 shots on missions level 1 you win a medal. And every 2 or 3 shots on a dual color shot during missions level 2 or 3.
Bronze medal score 250 000 (+ 125 000 for any other one)
Sylver medal score 450 000 (+ 175 000…)
Gold medal score 1 000 000 (+ 275 000…)
You can use combo on the medals scores.

Every 6 missions of a level done, before each mini wizard mode, you got a bonus for your medals:
On level 1:
Bronze medals score 1 000 000 each (10 000 000 for a set of 6)
Silver medals score 1 500 000 each (15 000 000 for a set of 6)
Gold medals score 2 500 000 each (25 000 000 for a set of 6)
It increase for level 2 and 3, of course…

do you see something wrong here?

Guitoone, It looks like you've only made 10 posts on pinside, so I guess it is quality over quantity for you. How in the world did you figure this out????

I’m not fluent in english so i’m quite afraid to make some grammar mistake. That’s why i’m a bit shy on the forum.
I love read rules of pinball, quite like the mustang one. I really appreciate a pinball when i understand it. So i spent quite a lot of time filming my game and i analyse scoring on a excel tab. I make a few tries glass off to confirm some ideas too…
I think this is the main way of scoring during modes, sometimes there is some extra bonus in the mode total that i still don’t understand. But most of time it works.

There is still a problem when you loose ball. I make my test with one ball. The base value reduce after losing a ball. Need to be determine...

Can you explain what you mean by number of shot level 2 and level 3?

I mean this is talking about level 1 mission, so I'm a bit confused.

Also does each shot add another +15K ( so first shot is +15K second shot +30K third shot +45K) or does it just count the number of shots n x 15K?