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Does Tim change your opinion of the PHOF


By ReallifePin

5 years ago



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    “Does Tim change your opinion of the PHOF”

    • Not at all. I love the place 54 votes
      46%
    • I look past his attitude and play pinball 22 votes
      19%
    • It gets old. Still like to go there though. 9 votes
      8%
    • It drove me nuts. Now I don't bother. 5 votes
      4%
    • I don't like the place because of the lack of maintenance. 27 votes
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    #51 5 years ago

    "BTW.... I had a friend ask him if he could tinker with a couple of EMs that were out of order. Tim told him to go for it and my friend fixed both machines. "
    Now that's pretty cool!

    I think everyone knows how much Tim loves tourist I'd think I'd be the same way after a short while!

    I hope he never shuts down because of his frustration and always know we support him.
    Joe

    #52 5 years ago
    Quoted from RCA1:

    Seems like the poll should have a choice for:
    "Tim has been nice to me, or someone I know"

    Would love to add some more balanced options. Is there a way?

    #53 5 years ago
    Quoted from ReallifePin:

    Would love to add some more balanced options. Is there a way?

    Don't sweat it. I think they're all just choosing the top option.

    #54 5 years ago

    Guess I'm a glutton for punishment. I really don't think this point needs any more debate. Tim does a hell of a job and I'm glad he keeps the doors open. I have a lot of admiration for him for that.

    However, to say that:

    Quoted from PismoArcade:

    If you approach him respectfully, he'll return in kind.

    is very, very debatable.

    #55 5 years ago

    are you there to play pinball or chat up the owner? I've been there a bunch of times, never talked to Tim and he never talked to me. Its not like he's going out of his way to be grumpy to people. I can't speak for the situation of him yelling a kid who knows what that's all about. I have always had a blast there and will continue to have a good time playing pinball there.

    #56 5 years ago

    Yeah, Tim is an odd cat. So is just about everybody else that's been in this hobby for 30 years. There's some odd cats that have been in it 30 days, too. Pinball attracts characters. I could run a LONG list of them, starting with Guido DelSignore (I know he won't mind my mentioning his name), but it would be interpreted as criticism of very good and very odd guys, so I won't. What you have to do is to look at the guy's body of work, and Tim has a major pile of contributions and achievements.

    If you want to take some guests there, try this...go over a few days in advance. Tell him your deal. Hand him $50 for the Salvation Army. Throw in a PBJ, he loves them.

    In other words, treat him like a woman...give her money and feed her, it's all downhill from there

    #57 5 years ago

    Without Tim there would be no phof...

    #58 5 years ago
    Quoted from scollins918:

    are you there to play pinball or chat up the owner?

    See, this is what is frustrating me about where this thread has headed. In no way do I expect to chat with the guy. He's at work and I understand that. When I have a need to interact with him as part of his business he has been dismissive. That has been my experience. I am polite and patient when asking him for anything. Even then, I only ask for help when it is necessary. Not to complain that the castle doesn't move when you destroy it.

    Quoted from JoeGrenuk:

    If you want to take some guests there, try this...go over a few days in advance. Tell him your deal. Hand him $50 for the Salvation Army. Throw in a PBJ, he loves them.

    Thanks. That is great advice.

    #59 5 years ago

    My first experience with Tim Arnold was long before he had opened the PHOF, at least 10, if not 15 years ago.

    He was well known in the pinball community as an owner of an amazing collection of games and I had seen on RGP threads that he had on occasion opened up his house / airplane hanger for parties/guests. I contacted him out of the blue hoping that, perhaps, because my wife, son and I who were all big pinball fans were traveling to Vegas for a vacation, we might be able to see his collection. Granted, I had never met the man, and so, there really was no reason why he had to or would even want to open up his facility. I did, in my email, mention that I would be willing to make a contribution to his favorite charity in exchange for the visit.

    As it turns out, he was very gracious and friendly. Not only did he take us into his airplane hanger to see his collection, but he also "flipped the switch" to turn on all the power so that we could spend time playing the games as much as we wanted. He did not place any pressure on us concerning what games we could play or how long we could play. In fact, after a quick tour highlighting some of his most prized possessions, he basically left us on our own to explore and play while he returned to his house where he was in the midst of working on restoring a game.

    So, I can't speak to his behavior or mood while at the PHOF, but I can state that he went out of his way to welcome my family, three strangers, into his house and arcade back in the days before he had started the PHOF.

    #60 5 years ago
    Quoted from iluvak9:

    My first experience with Tim Arnold was long before he had opened the PHOF, at least 10, if not 15 years ago.
    He was well known in the pinball community as an owner of an amazing collection of games and I had seen on RGP threads that he had on occasion opened up his house / airplane hanger for parties/guests. I contacted him out of the blue hoping that, perhaps, because my wife, son and I who were all big pinball fans were traveling to Vegas for a vacation, we might be able to see his collection. Granted, I had never met the man, and so, there really was no reason why he had to or would even want to open up his facility. I did, in my email, mention that I would be willing to make a contribution to his favorite charity in exchange for the visit.
    As it turns out, he was very gracious and friendly. Not only did he take us into his airplane hanger to see his collection, but he also "flipped the switch" to turn on all the power so that we could spend time playing the games as much as we wanted. He did not place any pressure on us concerning what games we could play or how long we could play. In fact, after a quick tour highlighting some of his most prized possessions, he basically left us on our own to explore and play while he returned to his house where he was in the midst of working on restoring a game.
    So, I can't speak to his behavior or mood while at the PHOF, but I can state that he went out of his way to welcome my family, three strangers, into his house and arcade back in the days before he had started the PHOF.

    Thanks for sharing that. That's the kind of perspective that helps me see more of the guy than what I've seen myself. To be honest with you, I was never bothered by him just helping me out and getting back to business. I was just worried about my friends and family having a conflict and having to turn a great day into a hassle.
    Again, I appreciate you taking the time.

    #61 5 years ago
    Quoted from ReallifePin:

    Guess I'm a glutton for punishment. I really don't think this point needs any more debate. Tim does a hell of a job and I'm glad he keeps the doors open. I have a lot of admiration for him for that.
    However, to say that:

    is very, very debatable.

    All I know is I've been there many times and probably interacted with him 6 or 7 times. Nothing too in depth. I just throw a few kind words at him (something along the lines of "Place is looking good, Tim. Thanks for keeping all this going") and he always smiles, thanks me and, if he's not too busy, we have a brief chat. Last time it was about the awesome pastrami place a couple of blocks away.

    He can be gruff and doesn't suffer fools. As I get older, I'm starting to relate.

    #62 5 years ago
    Quoted from PismoArcade:

    All I know is I've been there many times and probably interacted with him 6 or 7 times. Nothing too in depth. I just throw a few kind words at him (something along the lines of "Place is looking good, Tim. Thanks for keeping all this going") and he always smiles, thanks me and, if he's not too busy, we have a brief chat. Last time it was about the awesome pastrami place a couple of blocks away.
    He is gruff and doesn't suffer fools. As I get older, I'm starting to relate.

    Yeah, that pastrami place IS great!

    #63 5 years ago
    Quoted from DrJoe:

    Yeah, that pastrami place IS great!

    OK, seems like his tastes may have changed. Cancel the PBJ and take him a pastrami on rye.

    #64 5 years ago
    Quoted from JoeGrenuk:

    Yeah, Tim is an odd cat. Pinball attracts characters. I could run a LONG list of them, starting with Guido DelSignore (I know he won't mind my mentioning his name)

    Sorry, but Tim is not close to being in Guido's league. I miss talking to him. He was one of a kind!

    #65 5 years ago
    Quoted from DrJoe:

    Yeah, that pastrami place IS great!

    Not to Hijack, but if you're in the Inland Empire area, try the Pastrami Dip at one of these places... Also, Weiss Deli on Sunset & Green Valley Parkway in Henderson is pretty good. A favorite hangout of the Bally engineering department.

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    #66 5 years ago

    No Tim - no PHOF, he adds to the atmosphere. Less socializing and more pinball!

    #67 5 years ago

    1377130_511216302299200_1831418823_n.jpgSammy's L.A. Pastrami. (Two blocks from PHOF.)

    After playing pinball for hours, I love to grab one of these bad boys and head back to my hotel.

    #68 5 years ago

    The games are overall in terrible condition. Pay for another tech to help maintain the games and replace a few occasionally. I'm sorry, but they are bringing in a ton of coin. Nice to see a lot of it going to a great cause, but there is a lot of cash coming in and more could be spent on keeping them in decent shape. I was there less than a week ago and was incredibly disappointed.

    #69 5 years ago

    I was playing a pin. The next machine was down. Tim came by, opened it up and was muttering something regarding optos. I said, 'Tim, This is great thing you are doing here'. He said 'Thanks'. I would agree with the posts, when Tim is gone, the PHoF will be gone too. I have seen Tim, post on Pinside.

    I am sure that Tim is not like Mr. Rodgers everyday. Everyone has their off days.

    #70 5 years ago
    Quoted from FrankJ:

    Sorry, but Tim is not close to being in Guido's league. I miss talking to him. He was one of a kind!

    No one is in Guido's league; nice to see somebody here remembers him. Never heard him talk bad about anyone except "the tax man". He was a character of major proportions, and a genuinely nice and interesting man. A trip to his house was always an adventure, and I always had to plan on being there 3 or 4 hours...a half hour to load up some games, and 3 hours to drink wine and listen to him talk. All you had to do was ask him an open-ended question, and he'd be off for 15-20 minutes. He'd tell stories about how he used to run his route with a horse and wagon. Even in his 80's, games from the 50's, 60's, and 70's would flow into and out of his garage like the tide. Whenever I asked him on the phone how a particular game was, it was always "It's in a real nice shape, Giuseppe! Come and look!", even if it had a hole in the middle of the playfield. They were all nice to Guido. RIP.

    Anyone have a pic of Guido?

    #71 5 years ago
    Quoted from ReallifePin:

    There is quite a bit of negativity on Pinside about the place.

    I used to let the online chatter about PHOF bother me. Not any more. The vast majority of the complaints come from collectors who rarely go there. Every time I go there everyone is having fun. The folks doing the most complaining aren't his regular customers.

    Tim's (mild) attitude is like a bonus. For all he's done for pinball and folks down on their luck, he's entitled to do things how he wishes. He doesn't owe us or anybody else anything at all. If you don't like how he runs his business, don't go there. If you don't like how he represents pinball, open your own better museum in Vegas. Property is cheap there now. Show Tim how it's done.

    Quoted from ReallifePin:

    I've got a special occasion next month that I wanted to have at the HOF with friends and family.

    Unless the kids are all teens and older, the PHOF probably isn't the best place. The PHOF is like a dive bar without the alcohol. More adult fun. It is Las Vegas after all. Other museums, like PPM, are more welcoming to younger kids. The PHOF will never be mistaken for CEC. Leave the kids at home. (or drop them off unattended at CEC on the way d

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    #72 5 years ago

    I've know Tim for nearly 20 years. And his brother Tom. They are strange dudes. But never unfriendly, at least to me.

    I run the Ann Arbor pinball museum. We have 200 games, which is close to what Tim handles. So i have a pretty good handle on broken stuff. The difference is Tim is in Las Vegas, and open to the public every day for 12 hours. Like every day, even Christmas. I can't even fathom the work involved in doing that gig. Sometimes i'd be grumpy too.

    Actually people do say i'm grumpy. But then they just make fun of me. Seems to work well for everyone. Self deprecating behavior is the way to go at our place. I get asked a lot of questions about people fixing their games. Heck sometimes they show up with broken boards. It gets a bit frustrating sometimes. I try and help but it's difficult to do sometimes if you don't know the individual and what they are capable of doing (or not doing.)

    Also it should be understood that Tim has invested 50 years of his life learning to fix machines. When you have that much time in the gig, and a newbie comes up with a question (that probably could have been answered with a google search), it could be frustrating. Now imagine that happening 10 times a day, every day.

    Now imagine mom dropping off her kids at the PHoF and going shopping. There's no entrance fee, so it's low cost baby sitting. No parents so kids run wild. This happens every day, and again, I have to guess that this is really frustrating for Tim. So yes Tim does yell at kids now and then.

    Now imagine the bathroom. Did you know that about once a month, someone "paints" the walls of Tim's bathroom with crap? I'm not kidding about this. Someone actually takes a dump, and then hand paints (ass paints?) the walls with it. Can you imagine cleaning that? Can you imagine the frustration involved with that? If it was me, I would view everyone as a potential "wall painter" and wonder to myself, "did this guy/girl just paint my bathroom walls with poop?" Hmmm..... Tim wants to install a camera, but knows he legally can't. He wants to catch this person(s), but it's been a cat and mouse game for years and Tim is frustrated by it.

    Again imagine a guy, slightly impaired, coming in and playing Xenon. Then that same person wins a bunch of credits and demands from Tim he "get paid." An argument ensues and Tim throws the guy out. This is the PHoF, not some casino gaming room. Then the guy sues Tim over this. Costs Tim $20,000 in legal fee.

    Being in Las Vegas, my guess is it's not the games the drive Tim nuts, it's the people. That's just a guess though. So for the average guy to walk in and call Tim "unfriendly", well, you need to walk a mile in his shoes before you start flapping your jaw. Because no one has any idea what Tim goes through to keep the PHoF open.

    #73 5 years ago

    Last time I went to the PHOF, Tim was running around with his head lamp, fixing games. He didn't even look up to make eye contact when he passed us. He just went along his way, dilligently working. People who are approachable will let you know they are by their body language. It was clear to me that Tim wasn't approachable at that moment, and that's cool - it's who he is.

    It was a cool to see him in his element, doing what he loves.

    #74 5 years ago
    Quoted from cfh:

    I've know Tim for nearly 20 years. And his brother Tom. They are strange dudes. But never unfriendly, at least to me.
    I run the Ann Arbor pinball museum. We have 200 games, which is close to what Tim handles. So i have a pretty good handle on broken stuff. The difference is Tim is in Las Vegas, and open to the public every day for 12 hours. Like every day, even Christmas. I can't even fathom the work involved in doing that gig. Sometimes i'd be grumpy too.
    Actually people do say i'm grumpy. But then they just make fun of me. Seems to work well for everyone. Self deprecating behavior is the way to go at our place. I get asked a lot of questions about people fixing their games. Heck sometimes they show up with broken boards. It gets a bit frustrating sometimes. I try and help but it's difficult to do sometimes if you don't know the individual and what they are capable of doing (or not doing.)
    Also it should be understood that Tim has invested 50 years of his life learning to fix machines. When you have that much time in the gig, and a newbie comes up with a question (that probably could have been answered with a google search), it could be frustrating. Now imagine that happening 10 times a day, every day.
    Now imagine mom dropping off her kids at the PHoF and going shopping. There's no entrance fee, so it's low cost baby sitting. No parents so kids run wild. This happens every day, and again, I have to guess that this is really frustrating for Tim. So yes Tim does yell at kids now and then.
    Now imagine the bathroom. Did you know that about once a month, someone "paints" the walls of Tim's bathroom with crap? I'm not kidding about this. Someone actually takes a dump, and then hand paints (ass paints?) the walls with it. Can you imagine cleaning that? Can you imagine the frustration involved with that? If it was me, I would view everyone as a potential "wall painter" and wonder to myself, "did this guy/girl just paint my bathroom walls with poop?" Hmmm..... Tim wants to install a camera, but knows he legally can't. He wants to catch this person(s), but it's been a cat and mouse game for years and Tim is frustrated by it.
    Again imagine a guy, slightly impaired, coming in and playing Xenon. Then that same person wins a bunch of credits and demands from Tim he "get paid." An argument ensues and Tim throws the guy out. This is the PHoF, not some casino gaming room. Then the guy sues Tim over this. Costs Tim $20,000 in legal fee.
    Being in Las Vegas, my guess is it's not the games the drive Tim nuts, it's the people. That's just a guess though. So for the average guy to walk in and call Tim "unfriendly", well, you need to walk a mile in his shoes before you start flapping your jaw. Because no one has any idea what Tim goes through to keep the PHoF open.

    Really well said.
    I hope Tim gets away for some R&R for himself.
    I have my own business and if I was open 365 days a year, I would crack.

    #75 5 years ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    Every time I'm at PHOF, someone is bothering Tim while he is trying to work on a repair:
    "Hey I've got a TAF at home, in even BETTER condition..."
    "Hey, is the Medieval Madness turned off for a reason? "
    " I remember a lot of these when they were new ! "
    "We are all the way from Texas! I told my wife, if we ever go to Vegas, we HAVE to visit the Hall of Fame...."
    " Did you ever think about fixing this place up? You know, carpeting and stuff? "
    " There is a place by my house, I live in Florida, that has a bunch of games (proceeds to name 7 games as slowly as possible ), but nothing like this...."
    " Hey, there was a game, from way back, I mean I'm probably dating myself here, heh heh, that I used to play at a party store in Shilo, which is about 15 miles outside of Brooklane New Jersey, that had a big white cue ball on the playfield, I mean big, like a full size cue ball, that would block your shot......"
    " Wow, you could make a fortune if you moved this place to......"
    I can't imagine how he tolerates it every single day.

    #76 5 years ago
    Quoted from cfh:

    So for the average guy to walk in and call Tim "unfriendly", well, you need to walk a mile in his shoes before you start flapping your jaw. Because no one has any idea what Tim goes through to keep the PHoF open.

    That is absolutely fair. Well said also.

    #77 5 years ago

    I repair games on route. I'm sure I could be considered rude or antisocial by some people. They all want to come look, touch, have their damn kids crawl all over the games, ask me questions or even worse watch me work. I'm not a Fukin sideshow exhibit I'm a pinball repair guy. I don't walk into your workplace and watch you work no matter how interesting it might be. I'm not there to play games, I'm there to work. I don't have time to help you fix your game at home, if you want that hire me and pay the price of ownership.

    I've had kids dig through my tool box when my back was turned, poke around in games that are open and live electrically. One time I had a kid grab my hot soldering gun.

    I may sound pissy about this but when I'm there I'm there to work and then I want to go home. No different than any other job. I will say hello, and make small talk but I'm not there to answer questions, give tech advise, make friends or do anything but fix the games and go home.

    If you haven't walked in my shoes don't try to tell me I should listen up or that I'm this or that. Walk in my shoes and then your opinion might matter to me.... Maybe not.

    Chris Kruger

    #78 5 years ago
    Quoted from cfh:

    Now imagine the bathroom. Did you know that about once a month, someone "paints" the walls of Tim's bathroom with crap? I'm not kidding about this. Someone actually takes a dump, and then hand paints (ass paints?) the walls with it.

    If it's one person, time to lock the bathroom and let people in or have a key hooked to something big and they have to return it.

    Then narrow down and figure out who, and get rid of them.

    LTG : )™

    #79 5 years ago
    Quoted from cfh:

    I've know Tim for nearly 20 years. And his brother Tom. They are strange dudes. But never unfriendly, at least to me.
    I run the Ann Arbor pinball museum. We have 200 games, which is close to what Tim handles. So i have a pretty good handle on broken stuff. The difference is Tim is in Las Vegas, and open to the public every day for 12 hours. Like every day, even Christmas. I can't even fathom the work involved in doing that gig. Sometimes i'd be grumpy too.
    Actually people do say i'm grumpy. But then they just make fun of me. Seems to work well for everyone. Self deprecating behavior is the way to go at our place. I get asked a lot of questions about people fixing their games. Heck sometimes they show up with broken boards. It gets a bit frustrating sometimes. I try and help but it's difficult to do sometimes if you don't know the individual and what they are capable of doing (or not doing.)
    Also it should be understood that Tim has invested 50 years of his life learning to fix machines. When you have that much time in the gig, and a newbie comes up with a question (that probably could have been answered with a google search), it could be frustrating. Now imagine that happening 10 times a day, every day.
    Now imagine mom dropping off her kids at the PHoF and going shopping. There's no entrance fee, so it's low cost baby sitting. No parents so kids run wild. This happens every day, and again, I have to guess that this is really frustrating for Tim. So yes Tim does yell at kids now and then.
    Now imagine the bathroom. Did you know that about once a month, someone "paints" the walls of Tim's bathroom with crap? I'm not kidding about this. Someone actually takes a dump, and then hand paints (ass paints?) the walls with it. Can you imagine cleaning that? Can you imagine the frustration involved with that? If it was me, I would view everyone as a potential "wall painter" and wonder to myself, "did this guy/girl just paint my bathroom walls with poop?" Hmmm..... Tim wants to install a camera, but knows he legally can't. He wants to catch this person(s), but it's been a cat and mouse game for years and Tim is frustrated by it.
    Again imagine a guy, slightly impaired, coming in and playing Xenon. Then that same person wins a bunch of credits and demands from Tim he "get paid." An argument ensues and Tim throws the guy out. This is the PHoF, not some casino gaming room. Then the guy sues Tim over this. Costs Tim $20,000 in legal fee.
    Being in Las Vegas, my guess is it's not the games the drive Tim nuts, it's the people. That's just a guess though. So for the average guy to walk in and call Tim "unfriendly", well, you need to walk a mile in his shoes before you start flapping your jaw. Because no one has any idea what Tim goes through to keep the PHoF open.

    Indeed--agree 100%: walk a mile in Tim's shoes.

    The way I look at it is the guy is nothing short of a Saint for donating close to a half million dollars a year to The Salvation Army--that he could otherwise stuff in his pocket.

    Who else does this?

    No-one.

    Many thanks Tim for what you do for the hobby--and for charity.

    (And thanks to you too Clay--for donating profits from the TOPs video & DVD series to the PHOF.)

    #80 5 years ago
    Quoted from cfh:

    I'm not kidding about this. Someone actually takes a dump, and then hand paints (ass paints?) the walls with it.

    That explains a lot of what I see and smell at the Expos.

    Quoted from cfh:

    Tim wants to install a camera, but knows he legally can't.

    That never stopped Chuck Berry.

    #81 5 years ago

    I'd go there just for the damned popcorn! Love that old stuff!

    #82 5 years ago

    The em's are better maintained that's for sure. TZ and TAF have had the same couple issues for the last 3 or 4 years now that make them almost unplayable. The one time I spoke to Tim was when he was sweeping up popcorn. I told him how much I appreciated what he has done to keep the place running and that I dropped about $20 in the pins that day. He said if I really appreciated it I should get all my friends to come in and play. When I told him that none of my friends are into pinball and that I'm from L.A. he kind of got irritated and walked away without saying a word. Still not sure what offended him but no biggee. Still visit PHOF everytime I go to Vegas but wish he would donate a little less to Salvation Army and a little more to hiring a few extra technicians. In fact putting more money back into the museum and upkeep might ultimately result in more revenue for donations.

    #83 5 years ago

    It doesn't change my opinion of the place. Although I admire all he has done, and how he spends the money, which is above and beyond, I've been turned off by the complaints of the state of machines, and the lack of maintenance, regardless of how/why. Given all there is to do in Las Vegas, and even though I'm a pinball fan, when I make it done next year, I'm not sure if I'll make the trip given this.

    I watched the video, which I'm surprised no one has posted, of him explaining his reasoning for everything, and again, very noble, but like most, I am of the belief that a small portion of the funds to better maintain the machines would mean more happy customers, more business, and likely more profit to his cause.

    But he has the experience, and knows how to get so much out of every penny, so maybe he has it figured out as best as possible.

    #84 5 years ago
    Quoted from cfh:

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    Now imagine the bathroom. Did you know that about once a month, someone "paints" the walls of Tim's bathroom with crap? I'm not kidding about this. Someone actually takes a dump, and then hand paints (ass paints?) the walls with it. Can you imagine cleaning that? Can you imagine the frustration involved with that? If it was me, I would view everyone as a potential "wall painter" and wonder to myself, "did this guy/girl just paint my bathroom walls with poop?" Hmmm..... Tim wants to install a camera, but knows he legally can't. He wants to catch this person(s), but it's been a cat and mouse game for years and Tim is frustrated by it.

    This is interesting. I think most people do their best not to touch anything in a public bathroom. I wonder if a camera outside the bathroom along with a motion detector tuned to within an inch of the wall(s) might catch the offender? I'm sure you'd get false alarms all day long. But it must take a few minutes to paint a bathroom with poo. If you had a few minutes of alarm along with a camera outside the bathroom, you could probably figure out who did it the next time it happens.

    What I really want to know, do they wash their hands after they paint the walls? If not, do they play games afterwards? Yuck!!!

    #85 5 years ago

    Here is the way I see it with Tim. Put yourself in his shoes and try working 12 to 14 hours a day with someone always bugging you while you are trying to run a place the size of PHOF -- alone -- and also keeping close to (or over) 200 machine up & running for a few years and see if you don't get a little grumpy.

    Tim's goal is to raise as much money as possible each year for charity - how many people do you know like that?

    When I talked to Tim he seemed a little standoffish and "grumpy" but we did talk for about 15 minutes. In that time I learned a lot about him but most important was the fact that to him it is all about money for charity.

    Ever wonder why so few lights on, why no real sign out front, etc. All to save money so he can give more money away. Tim doesn't want to pay help because he wants to save as much in overhead as possible.

    When I asked why he was trying to do so much himself his answer was "if you want to help I have a trailer out back you can stay in as long as you want and if you are willing to work for free I'll take any and all help I can get". He has some volunteers helping him and one day I was there I was talking to one of them and asked "where is Tim". The answer was "we kicked him out for a few hours so he could take care of some personal stuff". The guy then told me how hard it is for volunteers to get Tim to take a break and the only time he isn't at PHOF is when he can't be for personal reasons.

    If I owned PHOF I am sure I would do things differently. I don't know if I could put all the hours in he does just to give all the profits away. But I know for sure I wouldn't try to do it on my own or alone.

    Before bashing Tim climb into his shoes and try doing what he has done for years. See if you are not grumpy by then!

    #86 5 years ago
    Quoted from joemamma:

    I don't walk into your workplace and watch you work no matter how interesting it might be.

    Even strippers?

    #87 5 years ago

    regardless of tim's goal and how noble the cause is... there really is no reason for the place to be run the way he runs it, and for his attitude...

    i hear many "excuses" being made... i see no "reasons"...

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    #88 5 years ago

    Every time the PHoF is brought up I get a little more disappointed by the sense of entitlement that is growing in this hobby. It's really disheartening.

    #89 5 years ago
    Quoted from jar155:

    Every time the PHoF is brought up I get a little more disappointed by the sense of entitlement that is growing in this hobby. It's really disheartening.

    Some posts could definitely read that way but I think a lot of people see it for the great place that it is and can still see issues with it. I don't see those posts as entitlement.

    #90 5 years ago
    Quoted from jar155:

    Every time the PHoF is brought up I get a little more disappointed by the sense of entitlement that is growing in this hobby. It's really disheartening.

    I don't really see that in these posts, but maybe I'm looking at them too positively? What I see is a bunch of people who love the mission of the PHOF and feel like there are missed opportunities to increase the impact.

    I don't know Tim, but I'd love to meet him. I have a lot of respect for a guy that devotes his life to something so altruistic, but I'd be one of the annoying ones that wants to hear him talk about pinball, etc.... I know he doesn't have time for that, and that's a shame.

    #91 5 years ago
    Quoted from jar155:

    Every time the PHoF is brought up I get a little more disappointed by the sense of entitlement that is growing in this hobby. It's really disheartening.

    an expectation to not be treated like crap is NOT a "sense of entitlement"...

    and trust me, i am appalled at the sense of entitlement that is displayed on many areas of this forum...

    tim is what he is... but don't make excuses for him and "blame the victim" here...

    something that many seem to be missing... tim CHOOSES to do this, and to act the way he does, and to not allow others to help, and so on... when you make CHOICES in life, there are ramifications... it's up to him to deal with those ramifications, rather than taking it out on others...

    #92 5 years ago

    I like Tim . Have met him many times. If he's grumpy at times its understandable. Being the expert that he is he cant just turn the reigns over to someone else and let someone else run the operation. Its a double edge sword for him really.

    #93 5 years ago

    What I see are a bunch of people complaining that LOCATION games in a highly trafficked location aren't up to their HUO or collector quality standards. A game isn't "virtually unplayable" if it has a couple of switch errors here and there. The place isn't home to terribly maintained machines. Are some machines down on any given day? Of course they are.

    Complaints about Twilight Zone or Medieval Madness having a few issues are so shortsighted. These are the most popular pinball machines of all time, getting played on hundreds (at least!) of times per week. All of those machines in there are getting played far more than yours do at home. How do you expect a guy and a handful of volunteers to keep everything in 100% working order 100% of the time? It's simply not feasible unless you want to employ 2-3 full time technicians and pay them a livable wage of $40,000-$50,000 per year. So ok, do that. Now you're cutting $120,000-$150,000 a year out of the bottom line just from payroll. Add in benefits and it goes up from there. You're taking a huge chunk of what the place makes and taking it away from charity, THE WHOLE REASON THE PLACE EXISTS.

    If the PHoF was about preserving pinball rather than charity, Tim could have just left everything in storage or in warehouses set up to play for his circle of family, friends, and the lucky few that got invited from time to time. That's not what this place is about. If that's what you're looking for, go visit one of the other pinball museums out there, because their mission statement is more in line with what you're hoping for.

    And no, you can't have it both ways.

    As for Tim's attitude, most people don't have any sort of problem with him because they just leave him alone. Any time you go and distract him, he's getting more and more behind on keeping the place kept up. Say hi, let him do his thing. Don't pester him for 20 minutes and then whine that ToM has an issue that "should only take 20 minutes to fix."

    #94 5 years ago
    Quoted from jar155:

    You're taking a huge chunk of what the place makes and taking it away from charity, THE WHOLE REASON THE PLACE EXISTS.

    This is where I think the disconnect is. I know I'm personally saying that I could help Tim double his donations to charity just by changing the way things operate a bit.

    Will overhead go up? Absolutely. But the donations will go up at the same time.

    #95 5 years ago
    Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

    Will overhead go up? Absolutely. But the donations will go up at the same time.

    Do we know this? Do we know for sure that the vast majority of his visitors even care? A hardcore pinhead will notice a flaky switch in the orbit on an AFM, but will the random visitor? If the random visitor doesn't notice, which makes up the biggest part of his customer base, why raise overhead? It's not like he doesn't want the games to be in good condition, but the trade off probably isn't worth it for Tim. He does the best he can and hopes that people will love the place regardless of a few rough spots here and there.

    #96 5 years ago

    I've been several times and each time I make it a point to find him and say thanks for everything you do. Sometimes he's friendlier than others, but so what? So am I at times.

    Yes, the games don't look like the games in your basement. Again, so what? You expect them to? They're played day after day, with who knows what kind of morons beating on them, and with not a lot of time to fix them. If you expect collector quality games in there, you need to go somewhere else.

    The only time the game condition means anything to me is if I'm playing a game I've heard a lot about but have never played. It can skew your perception of the game. Otherwise, I take the condition of the games for what it is. I've played in arcades in the old days with games that were worse than PHOF's games.

    People are downright ridiculous at times. People who bitch about TA and attitude are the same people who bitch about Steve Young.

    Buck up, sissypants.

    #97 5 years ago

    Tim is a jerk. I have been there many many times and have never found him friendly. Last time he was yelling at my kids and they were not doing anything wrong. He probably has no kids. But the place is an arcade what does he expect. I always watch my kids close to make sure they are being good.

    #98 5 years ago

    Really only Pinsiders complain about the PHOF anyway.

    All of the local players I know of who live in Vegas never seem to bitch about the place.

    If 10 games are broken the day you go, that still leaves 200 games to play.

    I would never make the trek all the way there just to play TAF, MM and TZ - those are all common games you can play anywhere in the friggin' country.

    #99 5 years ago
    Quoted from jar155:

    Do we know this? Do we know for sure that the vast majority of his visitors even care? A hardcore pinhead will notice a flaky switch in the orbit on an AFM, but will the random visitor? If the random visitor doesn't notice, which makes up the biggest part of his customer base, why raise overhead? It's not like he doesn't want the games to be in good condition, but the trade off probably isn't worth it for Tim. He does the best he can and hopes that people will love the place regardless of a few rough spots here and there.

    I'm not suggesting that the condition of the games is where I think I could help most. Random people won't know the difference, and that's ok.

    Do some non-working things add to the complaints? Sure.

    Is it the first thing I would go after if I were to help out? No.

    Maintenance on the games is such an easily fixed problem, if it were actually a problem, that it's not worth losing sleep over. What I would focus on are the opportunities to bring in even more money for charity.

    EDIT: I should disclose that I don't know anything about the books at PHOF or the decisions Tim makes. I am just speculating based on my personal experience. I've been helping non-profits for a decade now in my day job.

    #100 5 years ago
    Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

    This is where I think the disconnect is. I know I'm personally saying that I could help Tim double his donations to charity just by changing the way things operate a bit.

    Saying Tim could do better is like saying Mother Teresa was lazy.

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