$7500 and up

Like I told everyone ten years ago (it seems about that long!) when they first announced WoZ... Wait and play it! No need to jump in right away. If they were only making a limited number like 250 or so I wouldn't have necessarily felt that way but 1000 LE's? Seriously? And endless more Standards? Seriously? They will be available now and forever and the HUO ones will be selling for even less. This was definitely one to wait on!

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There seem to be a few slots available pre-delivery for the LE that seem to be in the $7000 to $7500 range but I don't think we'll really know if those that speculated on the game, especially to make money on it, will know until the game is finished and released. If it's a spectacular game then those that bought in might be able to flip them and make a few dollars.

I'm guessing that the vast majority of those that bought in were buying in hopes of getting an outstanding game at a good price. We'll see if that's the case in the coming months.

Dave

For me I just made a deal a few days ago for an LE at 7500. I was going to do a standard but I couldnt get over not having the green rails as silly as that might be. I think its a beautiful game and really will look great in my basement theater. I don't actually care if its more or less rare since its not likely to ever leave. As long as wife loves slapping the ball around on it then I'll have made the right choice.

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I just bought a WOZ ECLE from a fellow pinsider...$7500

Sorry if this wasn't your first post, the meter shows zero. Probably a server issue.

Wozle isn't selling. Only slot are selling. When someone actually has a WoZ to sell only then we will see.

Based on comments from people who have purchased one and played the machines in their current condition, I believe there will be plenty available post launch. The first sales may get a slight premium but if 1000 were truly sold this is not a rare pin. Also the non-LE has all of the same playability as the LE (like a premium.) I'm sure the LE will be readily available in the 6k-6,500 range two-three months after launch. Whenever that is.

First of all...there are 1000 LE's being made, not 1500. Secondly those of us who preordered early paid $6500...not $7500. Thirdly most of us did buy and sell other games in the meanwhile as other opportunities arose. And finally, we did not have to lose any sleep over if we could get one and at what price later as you are currently doing, and if we do not like it we will obviously not take a loss on it.
All of the above justified the wait.

WOZLE bought and coming soon we all hope. It is obviously setting a standard never seen before . Who knows if it will hold it's value. I have Avengers HULK arriving in the next 3 weeks, may not hold it's value. Purchased 12 Sterns , several LEs , that were HUO, paid a lot less than NIB. It's a hobby, not an investment, most will go down in price. Buy what you can afford, enjoy playing.

Personally if it falls 500 bucks in the next year im ok with that 500 bucks for me to enjoy a pin for a year is a small 10 dollar a week investment. Anyone wanna rent me a Great game for 10 bucks a week?

Same here.

Had the chance to play the game at one of the dealers, at that time some guy was turning his reservation in. The slot came down to me. Just like you (and no it is not the number one factor) my wife was completely entertained by the game. I would have waited until the game was in the hands of the dealers if I could have gotten it with all the trim. I am curious how long JJ will run production of the "standard" edition.

The only way to tell if the wait was justified is by what is delivered. Code is going to make or break this pin. If it is an epic game like LOTR with the humor of TSPP you could be waiting much longer than a year to buy one in the 6-7k range. All speculative of course.

As far as units JJP can sell. I think they will surpass 1500 units but that is still dependent on code. If the game has the depth people are expecting from KJ than these will be kicking owners asses for longer than most pins so will sit in collections longer.

ummmmmmmmmmm, maybe as many as he can sell?

I didn't buy mine to make money. I bought it for 2 reasons. The first is speculating that it was going to be a good game for my collection and I was looking forward to the next generation of pinball. The second reason was to support a new pinball company. It did wonders for waking Stern up.

Yes. Jack said that was his plan when he started his endeavor and assured everyone that he would build enough games to satisfy the demand. With TH being so far out that sure gives him plenty of time to to keep making regular WOZ games with minimal staff. Being that he is using as many standard wms/bally parts as possible maybe his plan is to keep on building them further down the road as demand dictates?
On the other hand he has been around the business long enough to know better than to tie up his money stocking games in a warehouse. It will be interesting for sure. And as said, the code could make or break it and he is well aware of that fact.

This topic reminds me of my annihilated chances to ever join the NIB crews.

I am lost for pinball unless a miracle happens. I have become a pinball peasent.

OP: your first is wrong off the bat. The hype was never about profiteering and flipping WOZ. It was about getting in on a new pin company with updated technology and a new level of quality. And for LE pre-orders being a great deal at $6500. Besides the numbered LE, the shaker, green trim (it's amazing), invisiglass, topper, and killer wooden apron top make it a great deal.

I bought in based on the JJP team and mission. Not disappointed at all. Based on what I saw Friday, I expect LEs to hold their prices well above $7k. The game is gorgeous, looks and sounds great. Toys, lighting, display, sound, build quality, cabinet, artwork are all beyond anything Stern has produced to date. And I have zero doubt that the rules will be killer as well. We'll all see when they ship soon...

There is no waiting to tell if it was justified. It was justified. Period.

The reason being we now have a second major pinball manufacturer. JJP was able to get off the ground because of those of us who pre-ordered WOZ ECLE.

There's much more to the picture than $500 loss, $1000 gain. It's about having more options for newly manufactured pinball machines. Those who ordered Predator, Magic Girl, and Zombieland also helped the cause. These new machines are possible only with our dollars funding their development.

This tells me all I need to know about the OP's agenda.

Go sign-up with e-trade and speculate in the stock market. This is pinball. Thanks!

Bought a WOZ LE early on not just for the pin, but to support the hobby by supporting a manufacturer who seemed to be addressing all the issues that worry me regarding the future of the hobby.

The product he has developed and the direction it pushes the state of the art in pin is all the speculation with which I was concerned.

So whether my pin maintains its individual value is less important to me than whether JJP maintains its high standards.

THAT'S the only speculation that is relevant. And in that respect, I think the signs are very positive, REGARDLESS of what the resale value of WOZ does.

Thats a good one..."pinball peasant"

I'll be there soon with the NIB pricing continually rising, but I just gotta have a Star Trek when it comes out. I guess its the later stages of the "but honey, I just gotta have one more game" syndrome.

Seriously? Bought WOZ day 1 of pre-order. Did not buy it to flip for profit nor express some sort of intellectual superiority. Bought WOZ to support a new manufacturer in the hobby I love and to get a kick-ass machine to add to my collection. Looking good so far.

They made 20,000+ TAF and I hardly see them for sale.

Nobody will know true value for at least several months.

When the rules are finished and the game released, it will be interesting to see what happens withe price then

This is an odd statement, what other people are you referencing? I happen to speak to a lot of people about my buying and selling, as Im sure playernumber4 does as well

want to like it, looks great, lets see one done already!!!! when the game can be played and evaluated, then lets talk..... get that pin done

*sigh*... *SIGH!*... this argument again? really? No, I mean really??? Tom, if you really believe this is a valid argument (and its been used several times which boggles my mind) you really need to call my Hotline as well as a few other Hotlines! Poor Tom...

Wow, thats a fact now? Sounds like a great deal, congrats.

Who cares if the price drops? I'm betting it will since there are so many of them and unlimited standards with zero gameplay differences. If it stays above $6500, which it will, most will be thrilled. For the millionth time, if you are buying a game expecting it to appreciate in value or even hold its value then you shouldn't be buying the game. Buy it to have some fun and make sure it is truly disposable income.

It's "Kool aid" not "cool aid", sheesh.

Hmm...is that ezsleeze hiding behind that shiny new avatar? The voice kinda sounds similar. Must not be anyone left on RGP anymore to stir the bucket!

Value will most likely go down but that is life...check out the value of your new car when you drove it off the lot. The collector world has changed since the Williams era. 20 years ago they made 20K pins in a run but 99.9999% of them went to operators and into service. Alot of them died or took a beating in the line of duty so there are few "mint" examples. Hence they are collectible now. There were very few home collectors...fast forward 20 years and now we are older with some spending cash trying to relive our youth. We buy NIB games that will most likely never go in service so there will be plenty of minty games for most of the future collectors...this will increase supply and hold prices in line. Same thing happens when the Franklin Mint offers their crap....they never appreciate because everyone keeps them in a glass case. But people think they will appreciate and be rare in the future like that 100 year old statue that is a real survivor.

Buy a pin:
First to play and enjoy...
Second to "hope" it holds it value
Third to "pray" is appreciates

.....1,2,3,4, countdown to moderator telling edwinpblue to take it easy. LOL

edwinpblue....you kinda replied to me on the "fourth" option but then lost me on the rest of your post. Who are you referring to?
Garry

Wrong at what? If anybody has been "toolesque", that would be you. Maybe I'll start a thread about all these suckers that bought MM for 10k plus, knowing in a year from now I'll be able to pick one up for sub 3k.

Like others have said, if you are buying games as an investment, "you're doing it wrong". I bought into WOZ because I wanted to get the first game from a brand new company, and I believe in the team that Jack has put together. It doesn't matter to me if it gains or loses value, as it's never going to be for sale. At least you still have 999 other LEs to try and buy next year.

Wow! all this hate for cool Kool-Aid. I mean sure the big K is evil, but there are bigger evils in our pinball world.

Nothing like a good redundant, negative, de sha vue thread.

I don't remember the original hype being about speculation and how much smarter people were???? I really don't ever remember that being talked about.

I am pretty sure that the people that bought for 6,500 in the first six months were just excited about being part of a new exciting company, with exciting ideas about pinball. sure some people might have thought this pin will be worth 10k...and who knows maybe someday it will, but i dont think that was a driver behind the 99% of the WOZLE owners

New company, great talent, listened to Jack's presentation and I like the theme. I ordered the game because I thought it would be fun an had the disposable cash. It is that simple.

Loved Tolkien since high school, JJP offers the Hobbit, pleased with what I see of WOZ, finances look good, ordered that one too because it sounds like fun.

It is that simple. Pinball is fun. Some folks need to relax.

Sell your Plasma? Wow. You are an as much of an idiot in the Electronics arena as the Pinball one.