Better question is "how many people are selling their MMs to buy the MMr".

And does this mean you're re-thinking the impact this will have on the used pin market?

Mr. Negative strikes again.

What DO you give a crap about Neo? I'm glad you gave a crap enough to sell me that Future Spa.

Dude, complete about face! I thought the older pins bored you compared to the newer Sterns?

Then you need to leave if you are not buying

So, what's a kidney go for nowadays?

Not selling any. I already have an MM, it is in great shape and I paid a heck of a lot less than $8K.

But I will be happy to buy some of the pins others will sell

Zero

I'll have to sell a few to fund my MMR purchase....got a few projects laying around and a System 11 or 2 I could let go.

I love System-11 games, but you're too far away, darn.

Its more about liking new. Even putting LEDs in MET was so easy with the new sockets. I juts like new.
Now Totan and most titles no candle. But AFM is awesome!! Same with MM. MB ok..but my daughters loved it. My 6 year old still asks about it. An old one no way. A new version..I am in.
BBB is just sexy!
Would I just own these, nope. But these 4 with my other favorite Sterns could leave me a happy pin owner for many years.

Disclaimer: My new remakes will new but remakes and not collectible originals which are also works of art and have an amazing intrinsic value. I bet Remake owners will have to have an original of their favorite game at some point. Its all good ; )

how is it negative because I don't think MM is all that great? It's not the worst game out there. but it's too shallow to be a good high ranking contender either.

I praise games all the time. Zaccarias are awesome, Love them. CV, TAF, TZ , GNR, Stargate, TOTAN, LOTR, RFM plus most others on my list of own or previously owned.

only games I really talk seriously negatively about are, SF2 and Xfiles, because they have to be the worst DMD games ever made. AFM because it's the econoline of the B/W era and everyone drops to their knees for it and shit tales because I played it a lot back in 93-95 and got seriously sick of it, plus the music and theme are horrible for me.

I'm highly opinionated on both sides of the spectrum. If you like shitty games, you'll see me being negative on games you like. if you like awesome games, you'll see nothing but praise from me because i'll be complimenting those games left and right. Works both ways depending on your taste. MM is kinda in between. Wasn't worth 4.5k for me to have invested into it, so I dumped it. I could think of 3 other games i'd rather have in place of that 4.5k than having that game. If I had room for 100 games in my gameroom, I MIGHT consider MM. Might.

None....but my son will have his first game in his basement when I put one there with free storage. If we could'nt wear it out here it certainly will not get worn out there.

Not selling anything to get MMLE...I might sell some games before it arrives but it will be unrelated to MM.

Why did you buy MM for $4.5k if you were so lukewarm on it?
I was always charmed by MM, but could not justify paying ~ $4k for it when WW, Getaway, BSD, JB, FT, WCS, etc went for around $1k - $1.3k. So I mostly bought cheaper WPCs instead.

And MM is shallow but you like TotAN? Really? RFM??? So you find the rules and strategy in Arabian Nights or RFM to be more satisfying than MM?

What do those games offer that compares to the intense timed mode Royal Madness, setting up the maximum Madnesses for multiball, barnyard multiball, one of the very best hurryup rules in pinball, BftK, etc.?

You enjoy the rules in TotAN? Getting two jewels from the bazaar? Pointless modes?
Goofy wizard mode scoring that rewards you for just keeping the mode going rather than winning it?
Exponential harem scoring?

Ultra linear RFM rules that tells you what you are going to play?

These games are great?
And the flippers on Stargate put it out the realm of great games right off the bat. I suppose that you could put Fliptronics flippers on them but that would be a lot of work.

You are certainly in the vast minority on hating AFM. Like a modern day Aron Boag.

But on the original topic, not a chance that I would buy a 90s game NIB for $8k. MM is fantastic and I have played dozens of examples, but if I am going to buy a new pin, now that JJP is in the game, it is going to be something more advanced than a 90s pin.

I'm selling a few...
Nature of the beast

Because it was a fairly good deal at the time. Figured it would grow on me. It did not. The jokes were cute and everything, but once that wore off, and I was dependent on gameplay and rules. It fell flat. It was cheap enough that I knew it would be good trade bait if it didn't turn out to be a keeper.

As for Stargate. Stargate blows the doors off MM in so many ways. For one Stargate doesn't have a cookie cutter, done 1000 x's playfield layout. Very deep complex rules. Several wizard modes. And so many different ways to play for big scoring.

TOTAN, Has unique layout. Awesome sound calls and theme. And one of the best looking playfields in all of pinball. Rules are good, but I do agree they need to make Wishing modes away, a random prize instead of every bazaar choice.

As for AFM, of course your going to like it. MM and AFM are the same damn game, except AFM is a stripped down econoline version of MM, with the exact same rules and layout. Yawn.

I said it before. MM isn't horrible. It's fun for what it is. Kinda like MB. Shallow, cute callouts and some witty jokes, but once the jokes wear off, it's bland repetitive Shoot this 3 times, shoot this 4 times rules just gets old. Better for other people to own and fun for the occasional play, but wouldn't want it taking up valuable pinball space at my house.

None, I will get something else.
By the time it gets shipped to Australia and customs duties etc are paid it will be around 10k aus easy.

It's a great game but there is no way I am shelling out that amount of coin for one, or any other pinnie for that matter.

I thought PPS already had a universal license. They do Creech and MB decals and PF's right?

Won't be selling any, but would love to have one. I am crossing my fingers that my friend gets in on the pre-order so I can play the hell out of it lol.

Stargate, I played some when it first came out. I remember it being decent, but the system 3 flippers kill the experience for me. Yes the games are built like tanks, but the flippers and mechs feel horrible. And the flippers trap everything.

I'm a rules guy. So the game can have beautiful playfield art and a gorgeous cabinet, the coolest ball saves in pinball (shooting stars), and a neat retro spinning toy, but if the rules are garbage, I'm not interested. You say that the rules are "good" on TotAN, I say what is there to do? Spin the lamp fifteen times then shoot the bazaar and get triple lamp. Spin and spin and spin. Okay that is fun to do for a while. There is a multiball to play, it is alright. What else? Start modes that score a ridiculously low amount of points and that lead to a disappointing wizard mode. Eh, no thanks. Pimp the harem for big points? Again, not very enjoyable.

On the other hand, completing royal madness is enjoyable. Every time. Stacking all madnesses is always a rush and making it pay off kicks ass. MM has the best hurryup rules in pinball. Very addictive. Completing BftK is always satisfying. Ultra Combos are awesome. Trolls were innovative and definitely add to the game.

Saying AFM and MM are the same is simply not the case. The rules are different enough for each to be interesting in their own right.
This is copied and pasted from an old RGP thread. Yes, you were in that thread posting many times about how crappy MM and AFM are. I'm not going to take the time to break down the differences between AFM and MM. Man you have been whining about AFM/MM for so many years/decades now. Over and over and over.

"Sure MM and AFM have similarities, but there are many interesting
differences as well. Such as rules for hurryups and multiball,
continuous bashing up the middle during multiball allowed on MM, royal
madness trolls, strobe MB, etc"

Chris