I know there's going to be some jokes from this one. But this is a serious question. First time change over but confident I know what I am doing
Also can I bung the wire loom and the plastics into the dishwasher (anyone done this?)
Regards David
I know there's going to be some jokes from this one. But this is a serious question. First time change over but confident I know what I am doing
Also can I bung the wire loom and the plastics into the dishwasher (anyone done this?)
Regards David
I'm going to guess about 15 hours to do the swap and another 10 hours debugging and fixing oddball issues after.
Ive done the dishwasher trick a few times. Wash with heat off, use an air hose to blow out connectors and hang to dry for a week or so. It took me 40 plus hours I would guess to do my last PF swap but I rebuilt everything and tumbled everything as I went. Just a straight up swap? Probably as Markmom suggested.
I've never really timed it but I'll estimate that it takes me about 40 as well, and I clean and tumble everything too. I also rebuild all flipper mechs and re-sleeve every coil while I'm at it. I also change suspect light sockets and adjust every switch. It's much easier to do this while the pf is on the bench/rotisserie. I've never had to de-bug anything after a swap because of these measures.
Quoted from Acampero:I thought you said an "average" man.... That's funny, I must need coffee.
I still read it as such until I read your post *takes some more sips*
Took me about 20 hours to switch over my KISS. That does not count any of the shop job I did previously. Just the switch over. If the playfield is already dimpled then it makes things go quicker. This was my first time and I triple measured everything.
At least 40 hours......good luck.......I've done 2 and don't look forward to doing anymore. Take a lot of pictures before starting.
It also depends on how you can carve out the time. I've been working on my BoP for the better part of 2 months, but that includes my first teardown, a few weeks for the PF to be touched up,and only working on it as time permits, so when it's only done in an hour here or there, it can be a very long time indeed!
Quoted from scottc:Mine has taken over a year but I have a second to go to for questions...time is the issue!
I am in the middle of a MB swap and I get maybe a couple hours total a week to work on it. Real life sucks.
What ever you think sounds reasonable (40 hours?) then double it! Did mine last year and on the plus side I learnt so much from doing it. Had moments though when I swore it would never work properly ever again.
Technically not the hardest thing to do, but loads of small things stumped me.
Take loads of pictures and buy a small plastic pot to put all those "spare" bits in when youv'e reassembled it.
The first few games you do, you're going to want to take TONS of pictures. As you get more experience, you'll find yourself taking less pics. Then eventually you'll find yourself just winging it with no pics***
***learn to read schematics before trying this haha
Quoted from SealClubber:If the playfield is already dimpled then it makes things go quicker.
Great point. A non-dimpled playfield will take much longer and can be a huge pain in the ass. I would only recommend going this route if you really know what you're doing.
Quoted from alchy999:I know there's going to be some jokes from this one. But this is a serious question. First time change over but confident I know what I am doing
Also can I bung the wire loom and the plastics into the dishwasher (anyone done this?)
Regards David
It all depends on how well you want to clean things, rebuild coil mechs, replace all micro switches, regrain the ball guides, etc. TAF is not a simple one to do. The top side is relatively easy but the bottom side is packed with stuff. Did I mention there are 5 pop bumpers to rebuild and 4 flippers. The swap isn't too bad. What takes the time is everything else.
I can have the playfield bare in about 2 hours. The rest takes roughly 50 hours. And that includes putting the playfield back in the game and getting it to play the way it should.
Quoted from Travismc:tumbling is ?
Some guys throw parts in a rock tumbler with diff kinds of media/polish compound to shine the parts up if thats what you were thinking....
Quoted from hAbO:Do newer reproduction playfields come dimpled and t-nutted or is that something you have to do?
Most come dimpled but you have to tranfer your T-nuts.
Good advice here already. Depends greatly on whether you're just moving parts, or rebuilding everything along the way - and if you're rebuilding everything, how dirty/worn parts are already
Huge time savers - having *all* the parts you need ready, up front Good quality teardown pictures, for the questions you will have rebuilding, etc
I'm logging this thread away for when I get my own TAF and subsequently do my PF swap in the restoration process, if it's required. If not, it'll still be great info for a complete teardown and rebuild if it's just a touchup and clearcoat.
It's already what I'm considering for my TZ. It's ready for a clearcoat, I just don't have the room to do it right now.
Quoted from Methos:What did people do for pics before digital cameras???
Pinballs were simpler back then and the ones that weren't were still too new to need a pf swap.
Like other said 40+ hours, when I shop top side (tumbling everything, ironing plastics, flame polish ect) it takes well into 40 hours, if you minus the tumbling and cleaning of topside parts and throw bottom side parts into mix I'd say easy 40- 60 hours, that also depends how anal you are.
My problem is it has to look perfect, all the way down to the new solder look on lugs so I guess I'm not average but TAF has a lot of stuffs underside and I would have a blast doing it.
Pindoc and I tag teamed a TAF PF swap and did it in two days total 21 hours with my son cleaning parts.
Everything including boards and harnesses cleaned and all metal regrained.
Boards and harness were blown off with air and put in the furnace room overnight.
All the pop bodies, skirts and spoon switches were new as well as flipper mechs and weldments.
We both had done this title before though so we didn't need pics.
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