Well, look at IMVE and you have your answer:

Tron VE:

-Based on "Pro"
-LEDs instead of incandescents (not color changing)
-Metal backbox
-possibly different toys because the originals aren't available
-Software updates slightly to work LEDs better
-Different translite art

you can still buy them NIB if you look around. pinballlife still has them on his site.

3 Tron runs already, id hope they'd choose another title

I agree....minor differences to distinguish a "Vault" addition. Stern has my vote....I want one!

I'd hope they'd include all the GAMEPLAY features of the LE (but not identical cosmetic appearance to keep LE unique).

With 3 runs of the game already done they are going to have to do something more than just add LED's if they want to sell more than a handful of them.

I have tron pro with 2 translight on layaway and if the ve comes out b4 i get this one i might switch.

Yes, if you want want to go the route of buying from extreme profiteers (not just Pinball Life, but other retailers as well), NIB Trons are still available. I'd rather buy at a normal NIB price.

TSPP, SM or LOTR is what I would like to see. Tron would sell well though.

indeed LOTR or SM would nice if had a new run

Oh boy, the extreme profiteers.....

Anyway, those are Trents games not PBL's.

I'd like a Tron 2 pin
...or a TronR = Tron Retro. Based on the Original Movie (the world's 1st "prequel pin" ?)

Completely different playfield, artwork, voice-overs, music, rule-sets, etc...
And of course, would prefer 2 hot chix on the translite instead of 2 head shots of jeff bridges (oy vey).

Sure. But the reason they still have them is because after 3 runs it was easy to have some overstock at the end.

I personally doubt that there's the same pent up demand for Tron. Maybe I'm wrong, but they re-ran it several times, there isn't exactly a shortage.

It makes as much sense if not more than any other game to get the VE treatment though, so who knows. (None of us, this is all baseless speculation!)

They will probably change it up a bit.
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Yup, change the nameplate and kill the LE market. That's what the price police are looking forward to!

Pins aren't investments.

Pins should be played not collected.

You should expect to loose money.

/sarcasm

Does that cover it all?

I'd be interested in a Tron VE with an MSRP of $5k (meaning I could get one to my door for mid to upper $4k), which is less than the NIB ones still left.

But I'd be just as ok with a NIB LOTR VE.

LOTR would be very interesting. It has two outstanding issues that a VE remake could potentially fix.

The easy one is the cabinet screening is just crappy. From that era of giant dots and poor resolution. The source art probably looks awesome, and if they printed on this new foil style thing they're doing for Iron Man (and Mustang LE I guess) the gold in the art would probably look awesome.

The second one is maybe trickier. LOTR is a Whitestar game, they'd have to port it over to SAM probably, or SAM's successor maybe, who knows. So would the porting be easy? Hopefully. Here's the real trick though, would the new system have more memory and allow them to fix the poor quality sound samples? Because that would rule.

Imagine the pitch: New LOTR, with metallic glowing cabinet art, and newly updated rich sound quality, for thousands less than those other guys selling the same theme. Did we mention we've got the same guy on rules as that other machine? Oh, and you can have it next month!

I was in the market for a Tron and passed on the NIB at $6.3K shipped. Found a heavily modded shipped for the almost the same price. I would have bought a NIB at $5K shipped in a heartbeat. Almost jumped on the available now NIB but remembered how bland the pro game looks stock and realized I'd be into the mods for at least another $1500

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How about proper art work for Lotr and none of this photo shop look.

Have anyone herd when they supposed to be brining out Tron VE ? I hope the rumor is true and i think we need to spam stern with request for Lotr Ve

This is a fantastic idea!

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Money on the table = likely production.

100% expected that it will be different to the pro and LE in a way that will entice the buyer to get it.

That's not a cheap shot... I just think 2 hot chix are nicer to look at than 2 Jeff bridges, really

Now, if there were 2 Danny devito's on there, that would be a whole other consideration
Ps. I hear he's secretly on pinside.
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This is what I want as well. I would be in for this in a heartbeat.

I would quickly be in on a LOTR VE...even if the artwork and sound remained the same...

By the way, where's that idiot who said that once Stern is done with a license they can't produce any more games?

They're never going to change the art for an old game, not cost effective. So it is what it is.

If your interested in having a TRON, they are fairly easy to find since STERN did 3 runs IIRC. I picked up a beauty last year for ~5.3k with a lot of extras (all 3 translites, arcade mod, Hallmark light cycles, LED's, slide rails, etc.). They did several runs and most are babied HUO examples.

I don't get the fascination with STERN's "Vault Edition" branding. It's just a rerun (which they've done before) while trying to stick with their current cabinets and lighting.

Well I was one of the idiots that said Iron Man would never be remade. Not just because of the license, but lots of other reasons. I was wrong. Stern has now capped the secondary market. Nobody in their right mind would pay more than Pro price for any modern Stern Pro game. Not LOTR, not Tron, nothing. And that means flippers won't bother squirreling away extra machines. Remember back right before each new Tron run a bunch of NIB games went up for sale? Those won't exist anymore. From their actions, Stern thinks they can sell more without those people buying NIB to save for later. Only time will tell if they are right or not.

Don't forget about us overseas, no TRON's available here right now!

Could be keen on a new one

Stern, make the VE with fiber optic ramps and Daft Punk at a resonable price. I think the retro idea is awesome too, but probably very unlikely. People who just have to have the latest and greatest will buy it and maybe sell their regular old Tron to me for sub $4K.

Me too.. 498 to go. I think the boardset will be the issue, not demand for the game.

Alright now THERE is an actual reason to get behind an LOTR - if they really improved the sound. Still think Tron VE with the ramps would be the one I would buy.

We've had a Tron VE more than once.

Gary has already said NO on LE remakes.

There never was a premium so You are all dreaming if You think You'll see a Tron that could damage LE value.

If Stern did a premium Tron they would NEVER sell another LE of any game they manufacture. Gary is very aware of this. Just look at the facebook post when the BIBLE hit the Stern Facebook page. They edited to let You know it wasn't going to happen and it was a customers game.

Well, IM was kind of unique, when people were asking for $5800 for a routed game with some mods and people were paying near $7K for nib games.

Plus, IM was more rare than a lot of Stern games

here on Pinside there are 554 Tron owners plus you can buy NIB all day long on the internet

there are 235 owners of IM on Pinside and the NIBs are all but gone.

Plus IM had 3-4 years of pent up demand while Tron has been out of production around 1 year.

So to answer you question, the fascination was with IM. I started a thread a month or two about it, I asked about it a year ago also. People said it was impossible. But turns out all those people who said it could never happen were wrong.

Stern could sell SM or POTC probably sell OK, but IMO IM was the *one* game that was most in need of a re-run for the reason it was never re-run before and because it seems to have got more of a following as time went on. Where Tron or Metallica sold well when out, IM did not sell as well, so the demand was there.

Although I was into pinball for many years, I took a long break so I missed out on when IM or SM and Tron were released. I was able to pick up a nice HUO SM no problem, I got a re-run of Tron no problem. But I was darn well not going to pay $5800 for a routed IM. So when a new IM was announced for $1000 cheaper than used or almost $2K cheaper than a 4 year old NIB game, it was almost too good to be true.

3 editions already and still some nib's floating around. also adding more to the pro version would be getting close to stepping on the toes of le collectors. from a business standpoint to bring out a game this recent and with big numbers out there already would make no sense whatsoever. yes its a popular title but too many other things against bringing out a VE. I know there are some hopefuls out there but I think its time to let it go.
Much more chance of an older release such SM or LOTR, maybe even TSPP
So in answering the question to the thread there is a very bleak chance of a Tron VE on the horizon. And that's being generous.

All makes sense. I understand why doing another IM run is exciting (pent up demand). Since VE == Run, it makes no sense to talk about TRON VE...Stern has already done 3 Runs/VE's/whatever...plenty of TRON Pro's to pickup at sensible prices.

Plus, if it makes sense any to add to the rules now to Tron to goose sales, it would have made sense last year or 18 months ago when the previous two runs were made, but only got different art and decals and different toys. If anything, I would expect Tron to be the same as Pro (also no 3D translite) but with LEDs.

6k pros , 10k LE's, sensible??

20k LE's by August

There's no rule or really any history of Stern making the PF features/toys in LE games any different than that of a Premium. All of you Tron LE owners who think they will "damage" future LE sales by making a true Tron Premium/VE with lighted ramps should look below. What would make Tron immune?

Avengers Premium and Hulk LE - same PF and toys

AC/DC Premium and BIBLE - same PF and toys

Metallica Premium and MOPLE - same PF and toys

Star Trek Premium and STLE - same PF and toys

This idea is a winner, and I'd be in for one!

Beaten to death already in several other threads. Most LE's have very different art packages that seperate it from the Premium and Pro. TRON LE for all intents and purposes was really just a limited run of Tron Premium as there was no seperate art package from the Pro, just more features. So how do you make a Tron Premium now that is different from the LE. To give it a new art package would possibly make it better looking than the LE.

The only way I could see them doing anything would be to do a TRON Pro Plus, i.e. make the Tron Pro, add the ramp lights and powder coating then leave everything else the same (no moving recognizer, no chrome, no drop targets, no DP multi-ball). As it is most everyone who buys a Pro puts Eli's Ramp kit into them, the game just looks naked without it.

I talked to Stern a few weeks ago right before I bought my HUO Tron and they told me they have no liscense for any more Tron machines and they wouldn't be building more. FWIW.

Not much.