How has everyone found the Pascal boards?


By Atomicboy

2 years ago


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    #1 2 years ago

    I recently picked up a Joker Poker non-working, and when I got to it, the CPU board has been seriously eaten by battery acid, far beyond what I think is repairable. It looks as though all kinds of pads have been bridged with the corrosion, and I'm guessing even if I was to clean it up, replace the parts, jumper the many completely lifted and eaten traces, I'll have a number of pouched components. Given I already hate dealing with the sys1 boardset, the no brainer option seems to pay for the all in one.

    Just curious on the feedback to date though, any failures, any issues, any limitations, or is it superb? It looks superb!

    #2 2 years ago

    His System 1 boards are awesome. Have had 2 of the P1-X4 boards.

    #3 2 years ago

    No issues to date? I love extras, even with a working system, in a game that is a keeper for you, it seems hard to pass up.

    Are these licensed from Steve as well? Just curious, as he doesn't offer them off his site.

    #4 2 years ago
    Quoted from Atomicboy:

    is it superb?

    yes it is

    #5 2 years ago
    Quoted from Atomicboy:

    Are these licensed from Steve as well? Just curious, as he doesn't offer them off his site.

    quoted from pascal site "I redesigned everything from scratch, both hardware and software. I don't reuse the original roms and game proms unlike other repro boards around."

    #6 2 years ago

    Yep. I had the P1-X4 in a Hulk...... Brilliant!! Pascal is a true gentleman to deal with as well.

    #7 2 years ago

    Best replacement board out there period.

    #8 2 years ago

    So no issues from anyone at all?

    #9 2 years ago

    Great experience here.

    #10 2 years ago

    I've used them in a totem and genie, no issues and rock solid.

    you will still want to re-pin all game connectors for reliability.

    -c

    #11 2 years ago

    I have had a pascal board in my HH for 6 months or so and it has been nothing but solid. Would highly recommend his products.

    #12 2 years ago

    Pascal's boards are relatively common here and I have never heard a bad comment about one. Often mentioned in FS adds as a plus.

    #13 2 years ago

    Used Pascal board in my Gottlieb Spiderman.
    They are great. Painless to install.

    #14 2 years ago

    Ok, good enough for me, I'll grab one later today.

    #15 2 years ago

    Question, this has an onboard sound 3 tone option, for Joker Poker, that still has chimes, I'm assuming the chimes still work with the far right connector being present, but can you combine the chimes and tones to sound off together?

    #16 2 years ago

    Love mine for my system 80. Talked a guy at work into a pascal for his count down, he loves it too. Do it. Do it.

    #17 2 years ago

    I have been waiting for nearly 2 months for my new board, he was sold out when i ordered it, if that is any indication on how well they sell, i should get it by the end of this week, i was surprised to find out that he is a non-profit and makes these boards just because he loves the hobby and wants to save these older games from the dumpster, that is truly amazing!

    #18 2 years ago

    Buy one , Pascal have outstanding service !!

    #19 2 years ago
    Quoted from bobbyt:

    i was surprised to find out that he is a non-profit and makes these boards just because he loves the hobby and wants to save these older games from the dumpster, that is truly amazing!

    If he is making no profit out of this ,this guy should have a pinball machine named after him

    #20 2 years ago

    I have been running one of these in my Joker Poker for about a year. I love the ball save and skill shot. It's been rock solid.

    #21 2 years ago

    I just bought my Pascal System 80 all in one (PI-80) and 4 Pascal pop bumper driver boards last week for my new Haunted House. The package should arrive by end of this week or early next. Prior to reading this thread I was excited, but now I am chomping at the bit to get it all plugged up. I love reading over and over again people saying "no issues" or "best replacement boards out there". Makes me feel like the investment is worth every penny.

    I made a deal with myself that when digging into my HH restore, if my original board showed any sign of battery corrosion, regardless of the amount, I buy the PI-80. Low and behold, I remove the old battery and there was a very very small amount. Could be fixed easily and the rest of the boards are decent, but I had to own up to my roll of the dice and I am really stoked.

    Also, I could have modded/repaired the original PBDB's, but it just felt right treating my first, favorite and only pin ever to the finest gear available. So now i'm rocking all Pascal in this all original parts HH.

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    #22 2 years ago

    I just ordered, so I'm hoping it comes quick.

    #23 2 years ago
    Quoted from Atomicboy:

    I just ordered, so I'm hoping it comes quick.

    Now we can tell you all the problems with them.

    #24 1 year ago
    Quoted from Atomicboy:

    Question, this has an onboard sound 3 tone option, for Joker Poker, that still has chimes, I'm assuming the chimes still work with the far right connector being present, but can you combine the chimes and tones to sound off together?

    you do not need the sound card (onboard or not). in my opinion just keep the chimes in the game. clay has guides that show you how to wire in a sound board for missing chimes and visa versa, but no specific sounds have been programmed for joker poker. The board will allow you to use sounds from any game but may have weird results. I used totem sounds in genie for a while before i learned what i was doing.

    #25 1 year ago

    It goes without saying that you should rebuild every edge connector in the game before plugging in the new Pascal board.

    #26 1 year ago

    I'm surprised since this is a completely new design and that all pins should be replaced he didn't go to a molex style header system. Obviously it becomes less interchangeable, but much more reliable down the road.

    #27 1 year ago
    Quoted from Atomicboy:

    I'm surprised since this is a completely new design and that all pins should be replaced he didn't go to a molex style header system. Obviously it becomes less interchangeable, but much more reliable down the road.

    if it was a molex connectored game i would also replace all of the connector pins (i do this on all bally sterns). you dont need to replace the connectors themselves just all the tinned pins that frequently are corroded, lose flexibility and connectivity. the cost is minimal and with the right tools can be done in 30 mins.

    -c

    #28 1 year ago

    Sorry to be such a pinball newbie here, but what are the tools you recommend using for refurnishing all connectors in a system 80 game? If I go down this road before using my Pi-80 board, I'd love to get a head start assembling the proper tools and get to work.

    #29 1 year ago
    Quoted from CraigC:

    if it was a molex connectored game i would also replace all of the connector pins (i do this on all bally sterns). you dont need to replace the connectors themselves just all the tinned pins that frequently are corroded, lose flexibility and connectivity. the cost is minimal and with the right tools can be done in 30 mins.
    -c

    Exactly, but with the smaller pins you can't use trifurcon style, only .156. That's what would be ideal.

    #30 1 year ago
    Quoted from davebart5:

    Sorry to be such a pinball newbie here, but what are the tools you recommend using for refurnishing all connectors in a system 80 game? If I go down this road before using my Pi-80 board, I'd love to get a head start assembling the proper tools and get to work.

    Great Plains Electronics and the like sell a molex "pin extraction tool". However I had great success with a small flat head screwdriver. You want to release the pin from the connector housing, pull it out, repin and replace back into existing housing. Tedious but will REALLY help bulletproof the game for another 20 years.

    #31 1 year ago

    I am all for bulletproofing. Between this and the brand new boards I should have little to no problems with this game.

    I think what I'll do now is start researching vids and articles on repinning to get ready for this. Once I start, I'll probably do the entire game's connectors.

    #32 1 year ago

    I'll try a small flat head first, but if I need something better is this the tool to get?

    https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=11-01-0168

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    #33 1 year ago

    I don't believe there are any Molex connectors of that size on that age Gottlieb game. Only the larger size.

    But in regards to re-pinning, most are referring to the flat pins like used in a normal in-line 0.156 header connector but are actually used by Gottlieb as the Edge connectors to the PCBs and displays. It is here where you see damage due to the battery alkaline leaks. For those pins, you need no more than a small flat head or Jeweler's screw driver to push the tab in and slide the pin out.

    #34 1 year ago
    Quoted from Atomicboy:

    Exactly, but with the smaller pins you can't use trifurcon style, only .156. That's what would be ideal.

    theres a handy edge pin extractor tool that takes out those pins very easy. buy this instead of using a screwdriver if you want to save 30 mins on a game and tons of frustration.

    #35 1 year ago

    Many "exotic" flat type pin extractors can be easily made by hammering flat an opened Paper Clip and grinding it narrow as needed to fit the slot in the plastic.

    #36 1 year ago

    I have his all in one board in my Pinball Pool.

    Had a couple of issues at first. A piece of a transistor leg got stuck on the board and was causing an issue with the game over/high game to date lights. He replaced the board for me free of charge.

    Then the number 5 ball would stay dimly lit when it should have been out. Diagnosed bad transistor, he sent me another free of charge. They're socketed so it's just take out/plug in the new one, which is great because I'm basically an EM only guy and this was my first, and so far, last go at restoring a System 1 game.

    I repinned all the connectors. It's a simple job, just takes some time. I learned quite a bit about System 1 while I was restoring the game but it's been awhile now and most of it has been forgotten as I've gone back to EMs.

    #37 1 year ago

    +1 for Pascal being a great guy and producing a great product. I own 2 all in ones and a stand alone MPU and sound card. Had one transistor go bad in 3 years and he sent me a replacement set of three at no charge. Don't get me wrong, these are pricier than other board options, but consider it the ONLY option. My only complaint is that I wish he had a bigger catalog!

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    #38 1 year ago

    His stuff is great and he's a great guy. I've ordered from him multiple times. When I order from him though I need to play the currency exchange rate game because it can make a big difference to the final cost of my order.

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    #39 1 year ago

    Atomic, did you get your board yet?
    I am just curious as I placed my order a couple weeks ago and the French tracking site I was given just shows that they received a package on the 22nd.

    Just wondering what that standard shipping time is for these.

    Thanks! Can't wait to bring my Totem back from the dead.

    #40 1 year ago
    Quoted from Raff:

    If he is making no profit out of this ,this guy should have a pinball machine named after him

    It's possible to work for a "nonprofit" and still make money. I would think if that's true he's still paying himself a salary.

    I've used the "all in one" board on a few Gottlieb System 1 games and results have been nothing short of perfect.

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    #41 1 year ago

    Just wanted to chime in on this. I've got an all-in-one running a Sinbad for nearly 7 years now. Never had any issues.

    I have a Cleopatra running an older Ni-Wumpf and that's getting replaced with a Pascal CPU.

    I'm in the process of restoring a Joker Poker and I ordered a new all-in-one for that.

    The features, programming and ease of use are the best out there. I even have a Ni-Wumpf Mark II sitting here and it's got some better stuff than the older, but trying to compare it to the Pascal, it's not even fair, the features and gameplay are just better. I moved my all-in-one into the Cleopatra to test a few things and it played like a different game, even my friend noticed the difference without me telling him i had moved the board.

    His stuff is the only stuff i'll use for. I'd watch the exchange rates if you can, since the USD sucks compared to the Euro lately, but it is what it is. He's got great service and a great product.

    #42 1 year ago

    Had put the pascal board in my Count Down before i sold it. Bought Genie it has a pascal board and you bet if i ever need new boards for my Black Hole pascal will be the man i see. love the ability to add functions to a machine it never had and bringing an old game back to life and make it fun again.

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