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How do you clean your EM?

By PinballFever

8 years ago


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    #1 8 years ago

    I thought it would be easier to have your latest cleaning tips in one thread that we can all use for reference.

    How do you clean the relay banks?
    Score motors?
    Score reels?
    Switches/contacts?
    Wiring so you can see the colors better?
    Pinball parts?
    Rails? (wood and metal)
    Playfield?
    Cabinet inside/outside?

    Anything else?

    #2 8 years ago

    A great place for information regarding EM maintenance and repair is www.pinrepair.com/em/index.htm

    Marcus

    #3 8 years ago

    Thanks Marcus! I've been there and it's a great source for repair/cleaning tips but I was thinking of cleaning as in making the game look clean and shiny like new so it can reside proudly in your home instead of a dirty basement or garage.

    #4 8 years ago

    Most of those, you have to pretty well just take them apart. There's really no other way to get them clean.

    I use a tumbler and Simichrome to polish metal parts. Lots of stuff goes in the ultrasonic cleaner.

    Unless you're going to repaint it, the best way to clean the cab is use Mean Green or Simple Green and a rag, and don't get too happy with it. If you start seeing paint you'll be in a bad spot. That's for the outside. For the inside, empty it out and vacuum it out.

    Some guys use Magic Eraser and 91% alcohol to start cleaning the playfield. I do. Some guys don't. You'll find a ton of opinions on playfield cleaning and I wouldn't say one is right and one is wrong. It's worked fine for me.

    Whatever you do, if you're going to disassemble steppers and motors, take a ton of pictures. Not really as necessary for relays, but you get a stepper/score motor apart and don't know how to put it back together, that's another bad spot to be in.

    #5 8 years ago
    Quoted from PinballFever:

    Thanks Marcus! I've been there and it's a great source for repair/cleaning tips but I was thinking of cleaning as in making the game look clean and shiny like new so it can reside proudly in your home instead of a dirty basement or garage.

    Ah. Well, I can help you with some of that. Unfortunately, it is not a simple request. There are lots of steps involved.

    Of course, the easiest path is to hire a restoration professional to restore your game. That takes the most money, but is the simplest method. The restoration professionals will do all of the steps necessary to bring your game to a "like new" appearance.

    If you insist on doing it yourself, then you need to start doing your research. Because you will need to learn how to remove your wire loom for cleaning, strip a playfield so that you can clean it properly, prep a cabinet for a repaint, remove lamp sockets, remove staples, remove large metal pieces like the coin door and side rails so that you can either replace them or properly restore them.

    What you are attempting to do is very time intensive and requires a very patient mindset. It will not be an as

    A great thread for research purposes is https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/vids-guide-to-ultimate-playfield-restoration

    The first rule of getting your game "shiny & new" is a willingness to break down your game. In order to properly clean the dirt that has accumulated over half a century, you will need to remove parts from your game. This occasionally means desoldering the wires, unscrewing metal braces, breaking down solenoids, etc.

    If you are not yet willing to break down your game, then your cleaning will only be as good as your rag can reach.

    With that said, you will need to invest in some items to help make your game as shiny & news as possible.

    Here are some items that you will need to acquire:

    01. Metal Tumbler -- typically found in gun stores
    02. Walnut Media -- used in tumbler as the abrasive medium for cleaning your metal parts
    03. Flitz polish -- used in tumbler
    04. Small metal pick -- used to remove media from tumbler
    05. Mother's Mag & Aluminum polish - used for cleaning side rails and really large metal pieces
    06. Simple Green -- used for cleaning dirty from an assortment of item
    07. 400 grit sandpaper -- used for cleaning brass rivets on stepper units.
    08. Industrial degreaser -- used for cleaning wire looms
    09. Magic Eraser -- Used for deep cleaning an EM Playfield
    10. 91% Alcohol -- Used for deep cleaning Playfields, stepper units, relays, basically any metal that is grimy and dirty.
    11. Carnuba wax -- Used to wax your playfield
    12. Novus 2 -- used to clean your playfield
    13. Digital Camera -- used to take thousands of pictures so that you can put stuff back together

    Once you have acquired these items, I recommend that you start with the playfield. Strip your playfield down to the wood. Then use blue painters tape to cover all the holes. Then use magic eraser/alcohol for a good deep clean. Then wax the playfield with a carnuba wax. Then put your playfield back together.

    Once you have completed the playfield, then you can switch your focus to other cosmetic restorations.

    It's a long journey, but I feel that you will be very proud once done.

    Good luck!

    Marcus

    #6 8 years ago

    As a first-time pin owner, I researched quite a bit, checked all the appropriate sites, etc, etc. For me, cleaning, as Marcus stated, is a willingness to take your machine apart. Small projects, a little at a time not only build confidence, but give exceptional insight to how things work. For me its a learning process. Disassemble this part, see how it works, clean and reassemble, move on. I've learned quite a bit over the last few weeks ... lol. Definitely daunting at first, but once you get into it, becomes easier.

    That said, these are the products I currently use:
    Mean Green ... cabinet
    Krudd Kutter ... rust removal
    Formula 1 wax ... playfield and cabinet
    Bar Keepers Friend ... brass and chrome
    Turtle Wax Chrome Polish ... chrome
    Magic Eraser ... mixed results
    Citrus Cleaner ... teflon parts
    Alcohol ... mixed results
    Lots of pics and a clean towel ... layout parts for cleaning and reassembly.

    That's just me, your milage may vary.

    #7 8 years ago

    Thanks EMs, Marcus and DP.

    Marcus, I didn't mean for this to come off as a "first time" pin owner post and maybe should have provided a little background on myself.

    I've been reading all the threads including three of vid's threads, pinrepair and quite a few other sites since joining this site and writing down some of it. I thought it might be easier to list what everyone uses/does in one thread than searching different forums and threads to get this information.

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    A little background about me that might help to understand where I'm coming from:

    I was collecting pins in the early 1990's and at that time all I did was clean/adjust contacts and wax the playfield with Millwax. I bought a non working foto finish, got it working and played it for a little bit then sold it for a profit.

    I married in the 1990's and my wife didn't like the pinball machines so they were banished to the dirty basement where they stayed until we divorced then decided to bring the pins back into the house after marrying again so I'm back and a Pinsider.

    In the 1990's only one company I know of was doing ground up restorations and they're still doing it. In the 1990's it was almost unheard of for anyone to actually pay for a full restoration. After I came back to the hobby 20+ years later I see it's become acceptable and many people are paying the money for the full restorations too.

    If I was only interested in owning one pin to keep in the house then that would be a valid reason for paying the money but I love pins and always have. There's something special about them and one pin "isn't enough".

    I need two more pins to make a 5 pin collection but would also like to collect "beaters" and spend my spare time fixing/restoring them then I can play them for a while and keep or sell them while keeping 5 at a time set up like an arcade ready for play in a room.

    Working at a full time desktop job is very sedentary and fixing/restoring pinballs as a hobby is a good way to be physically active.

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    Your lists are great. Keep them coming! Here's my list.

    Murphy oil soap ... cabinet
    Evaporust ... rust removal (haven't tried it but it's been highly recommended in threads here)
    ZEP Citrus Degreaser ... playfield
    Mother's carnauba wax... playfield
    Sprayway crazy cleaner ... inside/outside cabinet... this was suggested in one thread here but I haven't tried it yet.
    ME/ISO 91% ... I plan to try this on a game cabinet because the oil soap didn't get it fully clean
    Tumbler ... I recently got this with walnut media but I'm still learning what you can use it with. Can you tumble balls?

    Quoted from EMsInKC:

    Whatever you do, if you're going to disassemble steppers and motors, take a ton of pictures. Not really as necessary for relays, but you get a stepper/score motor apart and don't know how to put it back together, that's another bad spot to be in.

    Quoted from DPhillips1965:

    Lots of pics and a clean towel ... layout parts for cleaning and reassembly.

    Agreed, I took pictures as I stripped the playfield and cleaned/waxed it but also plan to make full video of the disassembly just to be sure I'm able to reassemble them.

    Bruce (not Richie Rich)
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    #8 8 years ago

    How do I clean my pins? I drop them off at Xerico's place and go "Thanks bro...see ya in a few weeks"

    #9 8 years ago
    Quoted from Rat_Tomago:

    drop them off at Xerico's place and go "Thanks bro...see ya in a few weeks"

    Tempting but I doubt someone doing the restoration for money would put as much work into it as I would.

    #10 8 years ago

    Firehose for sure just rinse the whole thing off and put in some new fuses

    --Jeff

    #11 8 years ago
    Quoted from way2wyrd:

    Firehose for sure just rinse the whole thing off and put in some new fuses

    Might as well drop it in back of your truck and take it through the automated car wash if you're going that route.

    #12 8 years ago

    I usually just hose the entire thing down with a thick coat of contact cleaner spray.

    #13 8 years ago
    Quoted from PinballFever:

    Tempting but I doubt someone doing the restoration for money would put as much work into it as I would.

    I don't typically clean/polish games for hire. He's seen my cleaning results, and knows that I do a great job on EMs.

    Plus he's a lazy SOB.

    Marcus

    #14 8 years ago
    Quoted from PinballFever:

    Might as well drop it in back of your truck and take it through the automated car wash if you're going that route.

    Tempting even if its a beater just to film it and watch people freak out

    --Jeff

    #15 8 years ago

    Guess I'm in the minority here... but I love those 'minty' aged paint and nicotine yellowed cabinets.

    Wouldn't dream of cleaning them with 'anything'.

    As for the internal parts... yes, get that 'black sludge' off any way that works best for you.

    #17 8 years ago
    Quoted from newmantjn:

    I just chuck it into a washing machine.

    Looks good but I'd be afraid of rust issues if I did that.

    #18 8 years ago
    Quoted from way2wyrd:

    Firehose for sure just rinse the whole thing off and put in some new fuses
    --Jeff

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    2 months later
    #19 8 years ago

    Super Clean Degreaser in lieu of of ZEP Citrus Degreaser.

    http://www.amazon.ca/SuperClean-101786-Cleaner-Degreaser-Trigger/dp/B0039ZBLEC%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-d-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB0039ZBLEC

    Tried both and Super Clean is way better.
    In some instance, a gentle rub removed stuff ZEP Citrus would only partially remove with some scrubbing.
    Both products dont have the same active ingredients and work differently.

    Here is the Super Clean MSDS.
    http://www.chem-wipe.com/msds2010/Super%20Clean%20MSDS.pdf
    If there are any chemically inclined people out there, you can have a look and comment on the potency of the ingredients.

    Used it on a very dirty cabinet and on a very dirty PF.
    Spray it on a lint free cloth then wiped the surface.
    No need to wipe very hard. No need to drench the cloth either.
    Clears everything pretty easily.
    Wipe off small area and immediately follow with a Naphtha wipe to insure no residue from the cleaner is left to dry on the surface.
    Being the first time I used this on a pin, I was worried about this stuff being too strong so i was very careful and monitored every step.
    Thus the immediate Naphtha wipe. Not sure if this is really necessary.
    So far i did not have any issues with paint rubbing off anything else.

    Safety wise, I strongly suggest wearing rubber gloves.
    With time, this thing will dry and crack the skin on your fingers from holding the wet cloth.
    Good ventilation is also a good idea, specially if you are doing some long cleaning sessions.

    #20 8 years ago
    Quoted from Fred736:

    Super Clean Degreaser in lieu of of ZEP Citrus Degreaser.
    amazon.com link »
    Tried both and Super Clean is way better.
    In some instance, a gentle rub removed stuff ZEP Citrus would only partially remove with some scrubbing.
    Both products dont have the same active ingredients and work differently.
    Here is the Super Clean MSDS.
    http://www.chem-wipe.com/msds2010/Super%20Clean%20MSDS.pdf
    If there are any chemically inclined people out there, you can have a look and comment on the potency of the ingredients.
    Used it on a very dirty cabinet and on a very dirty PF.
    Spray it on a lint free cloth then wiped the surface.
    No need to wipe very hard. No need to drench the cloth either.
    Clears everything pretty easily.
    Wipe off small area and immediately follow with a Naphtha wipe to insure no residue from the cleaner is left to dry on the surface.
    Being the first time I used this on a pin, I was worried about this stuff being too strong so i was very careful and monitored every step.
    Thus the immediate Naphtha wipe. Not sure if this is really necessary.
    So far i did not have any issues with paint rubbing off anything else.
    Safety wise, I strongly suggest wearing rubber gloves.
    With time, this thing will dry and crack the skin on your fingers from holding the wet cloth.
    Good ventilation is also a good idea, specially if you are doing some long cleaning sessions.

    Fred does it work better than magic eraser and, say, Krud Kutter on a dirty cabinet?

    #21 8 years ago
    Quoted from goldenboy232:

    Fred does it work better than magic eraser and, say, Krud Kutter on a dirty cabinet?

    Never tried Krud Kutter so can't comment.
    My Cabinet has mostly bluish colors. But it looked literally greenish because of the coating of 40+ years of nicotine, beer, pop spills and what not.

    Here is a pic of the before:

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    And after, sorry not the best angle:

    IMG_20150913_114606.jpgIMG_20150913_114606.jpg

    Notice the color hiden under the side rail vs the exposed. Well for some reason, after cleaning, the exposed turned out cleaner than the hidden! Could do nothing about that. The area under the back box also did not clear up to well but I have the cabinet to a point were rubbing it with a clean rag turns up a rag clean. It's important to mention that at not point in the process did my rag come up with some blueish hues on it.

    Super Clean removed all that easily with a gentle rub. Took me about an hour to clean the entire Cabinet and back box with less then 1/4 of the spray bottle. Prior to that I gave ME a go. Did not seem to have close to the same cleaning power and would have definetively taken me more than 1 hour, lots of ME and elbow grease. Zep Citrus could not remove all the gunk no matter how hard I scrubbed. If I were to put a number on it, I'd say 80% of it at best and with more scrubing.

    Now having said that, ME and elbow grease may take it a step further. Haven't got to that point yet. May give it a try but it would be for science onyl cuz I'm happy with the look of the cabinet right now.

    By the way, price on Amazon is high. Can get that cheaper at your hardware store.

    #22 8 years ago

    Oh and here is the result on the playfield. Notice demarcation line between the upper and lower pop bumpers.
    Took more time there because I was extremely carfull. Did very small spots and wiped with naphtha before moving on.

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    But in the end, no aggressive rubing and a much cleaner job than ME and alcohol. But in this case, I will now be able to give it some more in depth cleaning with ME. Now that the dirty crust is off, ME will work better. Won't be slushing that grime, melamine and alcohol mud all over the PF.

    #23 8 years ago
    Quoted from Fred736:

    Notice the color hiden under the side rail vs the exposed. Well for some reason, after cleaning, the exposed turned out cleaner than the hidden!

    The difference in color could be just be a fading issue.

    #24 8 years ago

    I'm a big fan of the Super clean cleaner. I find it works way better on dirty cabinets than anything else I have tried.

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