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How can I practice soldering?

By PopBumperPete

8 years ago


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    #1 8 years ago

    How can I practice soldering?

    I can solder a wire back onto a coil or a switch blade
    But I want to install sockets so I can add a ‘anypin NVRAM’ to the MPU board on my CFTBL
    As I do not want to mess the board up, any suggestions as to how I can get some practice soldering small pads?

    Thanks
    Pete

    #2 8 years ago

    Get some junk boards and practice away

    #4 8 years ago

    Buy some old electronics at the thrift store and take them apart.

    #5 8 years ago

    Following this for the read/links... I've done coils and other basic stuff, its a skill I always want to improve but never make the time. I even have some scrap boards set aside to mess with.

    Here is a guy on youtube with a series of tutorials.

    #6 8 years ago
    Quoted from PopBumperPete:

    How can I practice soldering?
    I can solder a wire back onto a coil or a switch blade
    But I want to install sockets so I can add a ‘anypin NVRAM’ to the MPU board on my CFTBL
    As I do not want to mess the board up, any suggestions as to how I can get some practice soldering small pads?
    Thanks
    Pete

    The FIRST and MAIN - for what you want - problem is, to get the old RAM-Chip out of the board. The DESOLDERING is the main problem. If you have no experience there, you can destroy your cpu-board more when soldering the new socket for the NVRAM in.

    Hakko 808 is the best tool for desoldering.

    I have made a few years ago a (bad) video how to desolder the old RAM-chip on a WPC-CPU-Board without a desoldering tool - the poor mans primitive way, but works perfect - you only need a needle (0,6 mm) from your pharmacy, a small srew driver and an electronic pliers.

    So, if the old ram is out, soldering in the new socket is pretty easy, when you exercised a bit before.

    BUT be very very careful, the traces and VIAS are VERY delicate; if you do not trust in your own work, let it do an expert, because the CPU-BOARD is too precious.

    Heres are the videos:

    PART 1:

    PART 2:

    As I got some critics from german users, that I used the wron pliers and better should use a knife or even a dremel, I made another video, to show the differences - make your own choice, what is best - I prefer the method with my favorite pliers. Here we go:

    Do NOT use desoldering raid or a primitive desoldering pump, your vias will flow. Use either a Hakko 808 or my primitive method - thats my opinion.

    Good luck ....

    - Ingo

    #7 8 years ago

    If you don't want to or cannot afford a Hakko 808 for desoldering, you MUST have a decent temperature controllable solder station, something like this -
    ebay.com link: Hakko FX888D 23BY Digital Soldering Station Includes FX 8801 Iron T18 D16 Tip
    or similar, & perhaps pick up an assortment of tips for it as well.

    #8 8 years ago

    ok, I will see what the local electronic shop has in stock

    thanks

    #9 8 years ago

    Buy some fun kits to build.

    http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/products.asp?dept=1071

    Or go to the local dump and see if they have any old VCRs or electronics you can take apart, desolder components on, and resolder them back on for practice.

    The concepts of soldering are easy to grasp and put into practice. Becoming an expert takes a LOT of experience.

    #10 8 years ago

    I've got an old LCD computer monitor that is well and truly shagged, bound to be some boards in that. I'd be happy to post you a couple if you like, PM me.

    #11 8 years ago

    Assemble one of these: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/announcing-for-sale-64-switch-matrix-tester-from-pinitech

    There is lots of repetitive soldering, which certainly helps when gauging your progress.

    #12 8 years ago

    I had a lot of fun building synth kits from here http://www.paia.com/index.asp

    #13 8 years ago

    If you are going to pull the 6264 RAM off of a WMS MPU you need a vacuum powered desoldering tool... period. Wick and a soldaput is not going to cut it.

    Find old VCRs or even DVD players. Open them up and find through hole components. Practice removing them and putting them back in. Buy an untested junk pinball board off of ebay and try and fix it. Get kits to practice following schematics and assembling.

    #14 8 years ago

    thanks guys, you have been helpful

    OK , found a local distributor for Hakko
    the Hakko desolder tool only comes with a 1mm nozzle
    which other sizes should I get?

    #15 8 years ago
    Quoted from PopBumperPete:

    OK , found a local distributor for Hakko
    the Hakko desolder tool only comes with a 1mm nozzle
    which other sizes should I get?

    Also get the 1.6mm and the cleaning tool that goes with it. That will work on larger pins. There are a few cases where a 2.3 would be nice, but probably not worth spending the money on.

    #16 8 years ago

    The best IMO is to have someone with experience give you some hands-on instruction. Nothing better than personal interaction when it comes to learning skills like this.

    #17 8 years ago

    Please note I corrected the tip size for the Hakko desolderer. (Gotta quit drinking this early in the day.)

    #18 8 years ago
    Quoted from cody_chunn:

    The best IMO is to have someone with experience give you some hands-on instruction. Nothing better than personal interaction when it comes to learning skills like this.

    I agree, but most pinguys around here send their boards away when work is needed

    #19 8 years ago
    Quoted from PopBumperPete:

    I agree, but most pinguys around here send their boards away when work is needed

    What fun is that?

    #20 8 years ago

    Find some junked, non repairable pin boards, and practice desoldering on the parts of the board that aren't burnt up / corroded. Don't practice on parts of the board that are junked, you'll only frustrate yourself.

    It's hard to find serviceable boards for anything in modern production. You need something 20 years old or older to take apart

    #21 8 years ago
    Quoted from johnwartjr:

    Find some junked, non repairable pin boards, and practice desoldering on the parts of the board that aren't burnt up / corroded. Don't practice on parts of the board that are junked, you'll only frustrate yourself.
    It's hard to find serviceable boards for anything in modern production. You need something 20 years old or older to take apart

    Sadly I only have one old sys 80 board
    I did find an old cash register, it works. So if I practice on that and it still works after a week then I will move on to pinball stuff

    #22 8 years ago
    Quoted from PopBumperPete:

    How can I practice soldering?

    For starters, find a Millennial who has multiple tattoos.

    #23 8 years ago

    Just practice till you get the feel of how the solder flows, both removing or installing components. Honestly if your good enough, you could probably solder with a Bic lighter, OK joking on the lighter!
    Have a pair of long tweezers too. Harbor Freight sells component removal tools too, like picks, and lighted tweezers.
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