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How BAD are BEATLES sales so far?

By iceman44

1 year ago

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#51 1 year ago
Quoted from MoonwalkerArcade:

I was told $7,800 plus freight & tax by my distributor for the low-end model

That’s more than STLE was. Granted that was years ago but goes to show that what people thought was expensive back then now gets you a pro level game.

#53 1 year ago

Let’s just say if I had won the $1.6B mega millions jackpot, I still would have passed on this one.

#55 1 year ago
Quoted from BrettC208:

The just need to know how many to order before they run out.

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#58 1 year ago

IMO this recalls the Pinside reaction to Stern The Pin.

No one was saying it was a horrible idea to sell a cheaper version stripped down pin maybe to non pinball people who didn’t want a 300 pound machine to move around. But then Stern was charging $4K for one and real pinball folks said heck why not buy a *nice* CFTBL or even a Transformers pro for the same money.

Maybe Stern is not looking to sell this to pinball people.

But I think was far more successful to cater to both crowds like with Metallica or Kiss maybe the Kiss army would buy some although they are not pinheads but it still made sense for real pinball people too.

#178 1 year ago

I’ve stopped buying Stern nib at least for around 4 years (STLE and IMVE time).

#209 1 year ago
Quoted from iceman44:

If you haven't watched this yet, do it now, one of the best laughs I've had in a while!
What i really want to know and get clarified is the pronunciation of "Crazy Levi"
Since you are buddies with Kman Levi why is he always calling you "Levy"?

That’s great.

I made a Hitler with a Hilton mention.


#262 1 year ago

Pinside should add Beatles to database so we can at see the number of owners and wish listers

#283 1 year ago
Quoted from vid1900:

People are saying they are not even a real band (like this Pitchfork review of their new disc):
Greta Van Fleet sound like they did weed exactly once, called the cops, and tried to record a Led Zeppelin album before they arrested themselves. The poor kids from Frankenmuth, Michigan don’t even realize they’re more of an algorithmic fever dream than an actual rock band. While they’re selling out shows all over the world, somewhere in a boardroom, a half-dozen people are figuring out just how, exactly, Jimmy Page and Robert Plant are supposed to fit into the SUV with the rest of the Greta Van Fleet boys on “Carpool Karaoke.”
Just look at this photo: Brothers Jake and Sam Kiszka, on guitar and bass, are both wearing hippie costumes they 3D-printed off the internet. The singer, the wretched and caterwauling third brother, Josh, is in dangly feather earrings and vinyl pants, like he was dressed by a problematic Santa Fe palm-reader with a gift certificate to Chico’s. It’s a costume—Greta Van Fleet is all costume. And if things that look like another thing is your thing, get ready to throw your lighters up for a band whose guiding principle seems to be reading the worst Grand Funk Railroad songs as if they were a religious text.
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Though their debut album, Anthem of the Peaceful Army, sounds like a bona fide classic rock record—with its fuzzy bass, electric sitar solos, and lyrics featuring the kind of self-actualized transcendence brought on by a few too many multivitamins—it is not actually classic rock. They are a new kind of vampiric band who’s there to catch the runoff of original classic rock using streaming services’ data-driven business model. Greta Van Fleet exist to be swallowed into the algorithm’s churn and rack up plays, of which they already have hundreds of millions. They make music that sounds exactly like Led Zeppelin and demand very little other than forgetting how good Led Zeppelin often were.
It’s possible to be an exceptional classic rock vampire act but it requires something more than the major label money and vaguely Native American accoutrements. It’s why Greta Van Fleet can’t compete with, say, the Darkness circa 2003’s “I Believe in a Thing Called Love.” The Darkness—who aped big rock warhorses like Queen and Aerosmith and Van Halen—were so outrageous that they had to be credulous. They had a song that went, “Get your hands off of my woman, mother ****er” and did a power metal cover of Radiohead’s “Street Spirit (Fade Out).” Who would do such garish things? They dared you, tongue in cheek, to take this impossibly foolish thing very seriously.
Greta Van Fleet do no such thing. They care so deeply and are so precious with their half-baked boomer fetishism, they mollycoddled every impulse of late-’60s rock‘n’roll into an interminable 49-minute drag. Each song here could be written or played by any of a thousand classic rock cover bands that have standing gigs at sports bars and biker joints across America (the same venues where Greta Van Fleet cut their teeth when they were kids). So why should Greta Van Fleet be the ones signed to Republic and William Morris, because they don’t have bald spots yet? Tons of people in those cover bands play their instruments better than Greta Van Fleet, who are, currently, proficient at best. No one in this band offers anything in the way of personality that doesn’t sound like your average YouTube tutorial for a Jimmy Page-type pentatonic solo or a John Bonham-type shuffle.
And at least Zeppelin knew to separate their sweet-lady-I’m-horny songs from their howling-about-literary-fantasy songs. Hilariously, Greta Van Fleet combine them into one on “The Cold Wind,” where the narrator (who is dying) begs his “sweet mama” to take the family ox (I guess) to town to sell it, when, mid-ox-transaction, this happens: “The Yankee peddler bargains with you on his way/Whoa sweet mama’s gotten herself a new dress.”
That’s funny, but it’s not supposed to be funny, because Greta Van Fleet do not possess self-awareness—at all. When asked about a characteristically ugh lyric (“All my brothers who stand up/For the peace of the land”), Jake responded, in part, “I guess it’s subject to interpretation. But I think the initial idea with that was that, as brothers, we stand for the peace of land. And that was for the good of the Earth, and for man.” Ignoring that this is basically a gag in Spinal Tap, a much better answer that would speak to the spirit of the music they are trying to capture would be: “I don’t know, who gives a ****.”
What they lack in self-awareness they more than make up for in rigid self-consciousness, failing to make any fun or campy choices to lift these songs out of a morass of the worst impulses of Rush and Cream. The back half of the album alternates between the ignorable and unforgivable, from what is (a somewhat fun stomper “Mountain of the Sun”) to what should never be: “The New Day” features Josh singing about watching a child grow in a garden, seeing her bloom so she can “be a woman soon.” None of this lysergic-sexual thinking is within the band’s grasp, they are just swatting at crusty platitudes and copy-pasting old mythos hoping no one notices that they are too small, too inept to even put forth one meaningful, specific, original idea.
But for as retro as Anthem of the Peaceful Army may seem, in actuality, it is the future. It’s proof of concept that in the streaming and algorithm economy, a band doesn’t need to really capture the past, it just needs to come close enough so that a computer can assign it to its definite article. The more unique it sounds, the less chance it has to be placed alongside what you already love. So when the Greta Van Fleet of your favorite artist finally lands on your morning playlist, spark up a bowl of nostalgia and enjoy the self-satisfied buzz of recognizing something you already know. It’s the cheapest high in music.

Love that author. Good read.

He’s like an internet focus group Hunter Thompson (j/k)

#291 1 year ago

They’d sell a boat load at $4600

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#449 1 year ago

DI >>>>>>>>>> Beatles pinball

#474 1 year ago

Leaked video of how Stern came up with how much to charge for The Beatles pinball.


#501 1 year ago

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#545 1 year ago
Quoted from J85M:

Because if that means we don’t see another price increase on the next cornerstone or two then even better, if Stern can off set these continual price increases with limited release titles like Supreme and Beatles aimed at specific collectors markets then brilliant!

The better it sells just means it’s more likely to have a bigger price increase on next popular title.

But at least this points to the fact that people are still buying new pins even at stupid money.

I’m hoping in future Stern will become more like JJP and CGC with all titles have the same play field but just different art and whatnot.

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#619 1 year ago

Still only 13 people admit to it in their collection.

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#737 1 year ago
Quoted from Tranquilize:

Ppl tend to forget that there are a lot of extremely wealthy men in North America. My 8k purchases involve discussions with wife, making room and making sure finances are ready for the hit. To uber rich dudes, picking up a beatlewitch is like me buying a new pair of jeans.

I knew a guy my mother in laws boss who owned a house which was $20M, he also had a $9M boat. In his house he had an actual bar like an English pub in which he had a real Harley Davidson motorcycle in the corner that was just a decoration he doesn’t ride it. And it was a nice bike like must have been $20K+ or whatever they cost. He could buy a platinum Beatles if he wanted to just like I would buy a topper for my pins, I mean it would be the same type of expense to him as a topper would be for me.

#740 1 year ago
Quoted from pcprogrammer:

There are not enough wealthy people that are into pinball to support the hobby. Sure, you can point out a lot of examples of this rich person or that rich person. But how many of them will consistently buy new, overpriced machines? How many of them are pinball collectors? Probably not as many as you'd like to think. Middle class, older men support the bulk of the NIB purchases. If there are that many rich people wanting to pay 20k for a Diamond edition than why cap it at 100?

I only know a few very wealthy but statistics say there are 36 million people in the world who qualify as millionaires. I don't say too many of those are into pinball but just pointing out that there are quite a lot of people with significant money.

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#802 1 year ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

It’s not $8k worth if fun!!!
Consider your very existence redefined.

I can see what your saying. Can be any machine such as TNA (as an example) either buy it for xyz price or don’t.

If somebody wanted Beatles (or TNA) and they have the money they will buy it.

Anything really, do I want to spend $1200 on an iPhone or do I not? Nothing is forcing me to buy whatever if it’s priced too high for my perception of what it should be.

#804 1 year ago
Quoted from jamesdeloris:

I bought a Beatles Gold because I am a hard core The Beatles fan and the wife and I wanted it. We are both retired and have no regrets. Would have probably paid a little more if necessary. We have owned over a dozen NIB pins over the years and this might be our favorite.

I understand, TNA for me you can say it’s not all that complicated a bit more money than a Stern pro looks like a poor value. But I love TNA and if nobody had supported it or said it’s not worth that much, we would not have close to 500 of them in the wild and in private collections.

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#849 10 months ago
Quoted from snaroff:

It's arguably not "outrageously over priced".
Here is a photo of IMDN Premium $7,599 (MSRP), Beatles Gold $7,999 (MSRP), and Munsters Pro $5,999 (MSRP) "under the hood".
These photos show Beatles is outfitted much like a Premium, *not* a Pro. Beatles is priced $400 more than IMDN Premium and you get gorgeous power-coated legs/armor/apron, side-art blades, "Vox" speaker trim, sweet emblem on the apron (much nicer than the cheap-o emblem on the backbox). Oh yeah, you also get lots of Beatles footage/assets from the time period...[quoted image]

Great point and great picture.

To each his own. I happen to love TNA which some would say is overpriced (what isn’t ?).

Point is $6/7/8k is a heck of a lot of money and imo the Munsters pro is seriously bare (but so might be TWD pro which I love).

It’s not about how much a pin weighs or how many miles of wire but rather how fun it is.

I don’t like Beatles and the gold costs as much as STLE ($7700 nib).

But ‘whatever’ love it or hate it some on both sides of the Beatles argument. But at least people are talking about it.

#863 10 months ago

I feel like some people will buy xyz theme no matter what. It may play like a duck and they'll still buy/defend it. I read people say "Jaws I'll buy it sight unseen." or "Led Zep Take my money."

Some people don't care a bit about anything if the theme is good to them.

To me that's crazy but hey if they want the theme and Stern can make money it seems like a victimless crime.

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#897 8 months ago

Initially I thought Beatles was a dud but the more I play the better I like it. Still not my cup of tea but there is a lot of good stuff in there. Not every pin needs to be LotR.

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