Not really that different from most releases. I get at least 4 emails from different distro's everytime a game is released.

With that said it doesn't seem to be selling that well or really at all yet. Things could change with a good release on Nov 6th but as of right now my distro wasn't even getting the 10 pack. They were concerned about having 70K tied up and being stuck with some of the 7 golds for an extended period.

I'm excited to see the release and am looking forward to playing the game. I'm a Beatles fan and I love Seawitch so it's exciting for me. Doubt I'll get one though.

Probably not the best comparison. I'd bet The Beatles would kill a DI in rout earnings and it costs less.

Most people are getting quoted 7600-7800. And be reasonable, there's no way The Beatles theme is not going to draw in more plays. Add in that it's simple to follow and it's just going to be a lot more appealing to casual or newer players then DI. DI is a really good game and pinball people will like it. But mom jeans and cell phones are not going to attrack plays like The Beatles will be able to. If you can afford to buy JJP pins for rout then I think you are crazy to not be interested in this game just for it's rout potential. Is it over priced, you bet. Doesn't matter if it can earn as well as a JJP pin though.

I don't route any of my games. I support our local ops though and know most of them personally. I see what comes and goes, what's getting played the most, and what non pinball friends of mine do when we go to a barcade. No one has made more factually incorrect wild ass statement on pinside then you.

You know your group is going to get a The Beatles so why not put it right next to DI and see what happens? You can prove me wrong.

You must know many serious pinheads if you think they only play and enjoy modern games.

Your opinion is fine, state it however you want and as often as you want. Stop saying we and speaking for others though as you have no clue what you are talking about or what others like. It's ridiculous for you to say that we like modern pins in AZ, OH, CO, CA, KY, Germany, Norway, Spain, Italy, and the list that goes on.

Your ruined it with the edit. It was pure gold, now it's not even a Beatles gold

I've heard they are not selling. But they are also not for sale yet so that might explain the first part.

Lol, so The Beatles are not even worth $800.

While I agree with letting the dust settle, you are wrong about the 10 packs. Distros gobbled them up and anyone that passed had another distro happily take their allotment.

I certainly do not know for sure, but who I buy games from isnt a huge stern distro and didn't get a 10 pack due to the risk and huge investment. Another distro took their 10 pack and they cant get me a gold through stern until the second run in Jan. I'm sure if I wanted one they could get me one through another distro sooner though. To me that sounds like the first 100 pack or 1000 games are all claimed by distros. Time will tell if they sell. I 100% agree with you on waiting and seeing. They may sell well and people can always get one from the Jan batch. It may be a flop and there will be deals to be had. Time will tell.

I don't think most distro's are sold out, or even close to it. I do believe that stern has sold all 100 of the first 10 packs though which is what is being said by several people. Some of the foreign distros might have sold their 10 games but in the US there are a lot of distros and a lot of games to go through. If you want a gold they should be available for a little bit at least and maybe for a pretty good while. I'd bet many have diamonds and platinums still available as they are feeling out the market to see how much they can get.

The sky has fallen.

Game really does look pretty darn cool.

You're an idiot.

I doubt you could if you wanted too.

Are you implying something about people that did buy the game?

The game is shipping with 1.04 code. Not going to be a lot to add or fix. Stern sells on a proven ability to delivery games quickly and is the only company that does that. They consistently make the most games, delivered the fastest, with the best themes. I guess that's a negative somehow to you though.

You should go buy one right now then. No issues at all happening. Just saying.

POTC is going to be a great game, wouldn't touch one right now though. What a cluster F.

Sorry, I misread that.

I'm not sure if stern used the same versions to designate stuff back then. But games certainly shipped more complete. The ability to easily update code now is a bit of a blessing and a curse. It results in games being shipped too early but it also allows them to get feedback and make some incredible games if your patient enough to wait.

I know of 3 people that got one NIB all required 4-12hrs of fixes just to get them playing. All of them love the game, all of them are pissed about their NIB experience though. I think it's going to be great, JJP needs to fix some QC issues ASAP though. The game is packed with stuff and shoots incredible. No denying that.

All of them have some QC issues. These have not been your normal adjustment problems. These have been issues with the games not being built properly. I'm not sure why so many of you just want to give JJP a pass on that. It is what it is and they need to get it fixed. These are games that certainly were not play tested. It's hurting their sales and eventually is going to kill the company if they can't get over their new game build issues. I want JJP to succeed, they are good for pinball. I'd like a POTC but not until I can trust them to build it. I don't blink about buying a stern. I have much higher confidence in them building the game. I've owned all JJP games so far and ton of sterns.

That's great, maybe they have gotten things straightened out already. I only have 4 reference points and 3 were friends that all had major issues, and another was one opened for a show that only had the minor things that you would expect. The three that had issues had many of the same problems. Those were all build a month or more ago. Hopefully that is all we hear moving forward. Minor adjustments from shipping or just typical pinball stuff.

No doubt that letting all of them build a bunch first is smart. But I don't really get the more to break arguments. It's brand new, it's supposedly tested, it should work pretty darn close to perfect. As a pinside tradition lets use a cargument. If you buy a base model do you expect it to work perfectly? If you buy the one with every possible add on that costs 20K more do you expect it to have issues because it has more stuff? They re both brand new, they should both work as intended. When you buy anything if you buy the highest item with more features do you expect less from it somehow because it does more things?

We need to stop giving all of these companies passes. For what they are charging we should have high expectations from all of them.

Plus I want JJP to get their shit together so I can buy a game, lol.

Thanks for posting that update. Glad to see they are working through the issues.

Well that sure has a lot to do with coding an LCD, lighting, and modes.

That's not really true at all. Some people at stern have hinted at it being one of their better sellers. They sold a lot of them because in general people like the game. People that are not willing to tweak a game are going to hate it, for tournaments it's pretty unbalanced right now and not fun, people that like easy games are going to hate it. People that enjoy a hard game that is loaded with features (maybe more so than any stern for the premium/le) seem to really enjoy it. It is loaded with mechs and unique things that are only in that game. It has great art, great sound package wit custom call outs, loaded with toys and mechs, unique layout, etc. What you see on pinside is the vocal minority which screams the loudest.

You just need about 2-4 hrs of tweaking and $100 in add ons to get it playing right. If it's too brutal add the plastic set with the center post. If stern can get the code updated and balanced a little it is absolutely one of their best games package wise. Some people will always hate it because it's so different. The same people often whine about every new fan layout that comes out though.

but they didn't

Correct, I know several that didn't buy 10 packs.

I think he is just saying that since you claim to like the game you must only be doing it to drive up the price of other NIB ones that you are holding hoping they will increase in value.

Not sure how he got to that but he seems to have a pretty vivid imagination when it comes to The Beatles pin. It seems to really get him upset for reasons that I'm sure also make a lot of sense. Enjoy your game and don't worry about the petty haters. Life is short, buy and play what you like.

I would disagree strongly with that. MBr is going to be one of the most resold games for the next few years. People will love it at first, get tired of it fast, and be ready for the next one. The Beatles at least has really short ball times which gives it the one more play vibe. If you only have a few minutes you can go play a game on it. People said the same thing with BM66LE and BM66SLE and they have held their value better then any stern since STLE. Plus there are going to be more MBr then The Beatles pins and that alone will contribute to a lot more of them trading hands. MB is a great game, but it's also typically one of the quickest sold in the top 10 for most people.

Have a the Beatles shown up on the used market yet? Typically there would already be a couple of stern pro's that someone decided they hate and want gone by now on most releases.

It's always strange to me when someone basis market projections on their person preferences and not one historical data. There are reasons why nice examples of Fathom, Centuar, EBD, Seawitch, etc are not available very often. They didn't make a ton of them and the people that have them do not sell them very often. MB on the other hand has always been well liked but also a game that gets moved around often. I guess you think that this is the worst game ever made by your 4K prediction. No stern has ever taken a hit like that, none of them at any point if well cared for. There's not a single stern ever produced that has seen a fall close to that. WWE is probably the closest but even those only took a 2K or so hit. So is this game twice as bad as WWE?

Most people paid $5500-$5800 NIB for WNBJM NIB. They sell at around $4500-$4800 which is about an 18% drop. Not close to 50%. If someone sold a WNBJM for 3K they left $1500 on the table.

Maybe it will drop a little more then others have. I just don't see a scenario that has them dropping at 50% or close to that. Anything is possible but that is unheard of with modern sterns. It's more likely to follow the same pattern as the majority of releases with 10-15% drop for a HUO example. People called the last kapow release of BM66 a cash grab and openly mocked everyone that bought one. The LE's and SLE's have held their value extremely well and the premium has seen a normal resale drop. There's very little reason to expect much different on these. The Diamonds will stay locked up with fans or collectors, the Platinums with sell on rare occasions for a small loss, the golds will fall right into the 10-15% line like other titles have.

I'd agree with you to some extent if we were seeing a pile of QC issues or a lot of reports of people hating the game. All we see are people bitching about the price and those that play it pretty much across the board has said they enjoy it and it's fun. Even people that don't like the theme have admitted that the layout tweaks are very nice and that it plays well. Most games that tank do not get good reports and are themes that are just not well received. In this case we have a game that people like, a theme that most people like, and a price that no one really likes.

Lol, you 2 sure are some Debby downers. NIB games taking 50% hits, used games skyrocketing beyond everyone's reach, and finally the end of pinball.

I'm taking you on this bet with the hopes of someone dropping one down a flight of stairs or something. Anyone with a busted HUO Beatles hit me and LEVI up so he can arrange shipment and payment. I don't wish anyone's game to get partially destroyed but if it happens I'll take it.

Then you should love it like so many pinheads that love seawitch, fathom, centaur, ebd, flash Gordon, etc.

No clue how so many people came up with the idea that single level means a lesser game.