Allentown, PA
I don’t. I use Plexus. 50 bucks a can and protects way better
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Quoted from ForceFlow:This stuff?
amazon.com link »
That's not wax. That's a cleaner/polish of some sort, and that type of cleaner is abrasive.
Additionally, according to the safety sheet, it contains petroleum distillates, isobutate, and propane.
http://www.plexusplasticcleaner.com/pdf/plexus-safety-data-sheet.pdf
Petroleum distillates will cloud plastics, and isobutane can be used as a solvent.
Combination products like this are more harmful than helpful.
It also looks like it contains a bit of silicon, which contains very little long term protection. A couple games, and it's gone. Plus it's responsible for fish eye on playfields.
So basically, it's pretty close to pledge. Pledge would be cheaper and do pretty much the same thing.
[edit]: Yep, it's basically pledge. https://www.google.com/search?q=pledge+vs+plexus
I have been using it for 10/15 years. All my playfields are flawless and super fast
Ask guys that play my machines.
Fastest Maxine’s around and flawless . No joke.
It’s a polymer nothing like pledge at all. Trust me
Quoted from ForceFlow:Nothing in the SDS PDF seems to describe anything like that. Where is that claim made?
I'm seeing that some of the advertising claims to protect polymers and resins, but it doesn't seem to say that it actually includes any polymers.
Are you sure your looking at the same product
http://www.plexusplasticcleaner.com/about.html
Read the last 5/6 paragraphs especially
Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:You can read the ingredients for yourself. There is no wax in it. It is impossible to "put a nice slick wax on your paint" using a product that does not contain wax.
Well ...... hopefully this makes you guys eat your words.
Called the manufacturer Plexus and spoke with Blake who answered the phone at 6am there time to speak with me
He said that Plexus absolutely does have a protectent in it and it is a trade secrete. It was designed for the aircraft industry. Data sheets to NOT list all chemicals ...only ones that are deemed hazardous. it will actually smooth the surface causing less friction and add a protectant to it which will increase ball speed and inhibit wear
They 100% indorse using it on a pinball playfield and automotive clear and paint.
Do what ya want but according to the manufacturer it’s the perfect application.
Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:Good job trying to get some evidence. I'll take a known wax over an untestable claim and an unnamed "protectent". If Blake lied to you there is no penalty. If they lie on their MSDS there are potential fines and FTC penalties.
What is the penalty if you're wrong? A little extra playfield wear? Maybe some wasted gloves & masks from applying it?
If that evidence is good enough for you then keep using it. I don't find it compelling but I understand why others might.
Thank you for making the effort to call the manufacturer.
My evidence is I personally have been using it for 15 years on playfields with zero issues. Not sure but he may even chime in here eventually as he asked what the site was I was postIng on
All I know is it has been a amazing product for me thus far. But that said I am not comparing it to the duribility of carnuba wax. I just apply once a month or so
But then again maybe all the users of this expensive high end product are being duped and love paying lots of money for pledge
Quoted from ForceFlow:The MSDS showed 25-50% for plexus.
Use what the hell ya want. Telling you it’s a quality product. I’ve had ZERO issue in 15 years. Maybe I’ll have to give it 20. My playfields are all flawless except for dimples.
Quoted from ForceFlow:Oh, thought you were asking for the MSDS for plexus.
There appears to be no MSDS's available for P21S or Blitz according to the databases I searched. An MSDS is typically required when there is something poisonous, flammable, corrosive, or reactive in a product--a lot of solvents fall under that umbrella. I don't think it's a coincidence that two completely different carnauba paste waxes don't have an MSDS published.
Maybe that’s why Plexus does not have to list it either. Hmmmmm that’s just what the manufacturer told me.
Quoted from TheLaw:but it does
HEMICAL NAME(COMMON NAME) CAS NUMBERQUANTITYWeight %
Aliphatic petroleum distillates
64742-89-8
20-25*
Isobutane
75-28-5
10-15*
Propane
74-98-6
1-5*
The manufacturer told me there are many other ingredients that are not listed because they are trade secret and are not hazardous so they are not required to be on there
Quoted from KornFreak28:Forceflow and Vid are always correct
So is my boss.
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