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Im a stickler for keeping my machines new looking. I picked up a couple kits from Mezel Mods, they work well for different situations, like full on waxing vs a quick wipe down.

https://mezelmods.com/collections/pinhedz-pinball-machine-cleaner

I also use plexi-clean on my plastic ramps.

https://na.suzohapp.com/products/cleaning_maintenance/29-1175-10

Hope this helps

Again, not real wax.

[edit]: The manufacturer just posted about their product here:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/how-are-you-adding-wax-to-your-playfield/page/2#post-4404813

Waxing a playfield is SO SIMPLE, but people want to believe that some bottle of polymers & liquid silicone has magical, secret, hard shell, deep luster, butt busting power.

Or that a $14 little bottle of Naphtha, that is dyed blue for cuteness, is going to "clean and protect" their playfield.

Or that the Novus2 abrasive is somehow a wax.

Or that water based SimpleGreen is a good playfield cleaner.

You all will spend $150 on plastic dolls, $200 on LEDs, $250 on blades, $100 on Silicone rings - but won't spend $28 on a can of real wax.

AMEN!!! Preach it brother.

I love the one that says anti static! LOL. Talk about snake oil.

No, Amazon doesn’t, but other online stores do. I was just saying if you were ordering in general from an online store, why not just order what is known to work well?

Free shipping with prime and no sales tax yet.

I have both waxes, they are very similar. I like P21S better.
Seems to make less white dust for me.
Both Blitz and P21S are probably the best you can get, both are close to 100% pure carnauba wax.

A lot of us started using P21S when you couldn't get Blitz awhile back.
I have a lifetime supply of wax now

This is what I got last time. Any good?

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B003UWQFKY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00

So now I am a bit concerned. So far I have been using a light cleaning with Novus 1, followed up with a light film of Maguires Gold. I let it sit overnight, then use a microfiber to remove the wax.
Am I causing long term damage?

I have tried the ChemBros XXX, but without the polymers.

Looks like a new can + some weird polymers

There are about 15 products called Meguiars Gold.

Make sure you are using the carnuba wax without any "cleaner wax" or "silicone polymers". Let it dry 15 minutes, no need for overnight

There are better waxes than the big M

What's the difference between the two differ P21S's amazon sells (besides price)?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002LOP5E4/

AND

https://www.amazon.com/P21S-12701W-100-Carnauba-Wax/dp/B016XVD8D0/

I'm assuming the cheaper one is less pure? But, by how much?

it is not abrasive. I used to use it on my headlights. It is a plastic cleaner/polish. It is supposed to help cut down on the UV rays that will yellow your plastic headlights. Does it work? When I was using it on my headlights I never really could tell.

What's in it? I don't have a clue. Reading the labels on this product is just as informative as any of the other canned crap you buy from the auto parts stores, which means its label will tell you nothing at all.

But if you read the website, it will have you believing it can do anything plastic. Does not say it is for use on painted surfaces.

http://www.plexusplasticcleaner.com/about.html

Polish typically means the product contains abrasive particles. Although, there are compounds that use chemical reactions in order to polish certain materials. I doubt that there is a chemical reaction happening, since the product is basically made of solvents and silicone, and anything causing a chemical reaction would likely be listed on the MSDS, especially since it would be a reactant ingredient (all its flammable properties and potential health hazards would need to be listed).

Both wax containers are same size. THe only difference I can see is the two sponge applicators. So I would have to say they are real proud of those applicators.

As "The King of Flow" would say: Use whatever you want.

The silver can is 100% pure carnauba the blue can is a beeswax carnuba blend. You want to buy the silver can.

When using a hard carnauba wax, are you supposed to moisten the applicator a bit first (sponge ot towel)? Then apply to to wax to get it pasty, then to the pf?

Or no water at all?

Ive been using mothers CA Gold pure brazilian carauba wax with a moist appliactor as my method. Is that the right way of using it?

I will be switching to blitz one grand (per vids and others recommendations), but question is the same, moist applicator or dry?

The applicator has to be slightly dampened in order to work but by no means should it be wet at all.

I only moisten them if they're hard and crusty I don't want any chunks lor debris in my application I want it to be as clean and smooth as possible.

Swirling the applicator around the top of the wax can generally melts it enough to put on a super thin coat.

Less is always more when applying wax.

no moisture is needed at all for the application.

You couldn't be any more wrong about Plexus trust me. Is it good for a pinball playfield? I can't answer that for sure but i dont think it would hurt it thats for sure. All serious motorcycle riders use it on their windshields because it ISN'T an abrasive cleaner and it DOESN'T scratch your windshield. Ive been using Plexus forever on motorcycle windshields and fairings and lexan windows on my racecars. Its never scratched my plastics or paint ever.

Im not going to tell anyone to use it on their playfield because i just dont know if you should or not, but you shouldn't be telling people its an abrasive cleaner either when its in fact not. Hoby1 isnt some noob when it comes to pinball so i wouldn't be so quick to question his knowledge. Plexus is a great product and that's why it comes with such a hefty price tag.

http://www.plexusplasticcleaner.com/about.html

Guys, no need to argue about Plexus.

You can easily look up the MSDS sheet:

It's ingredients are Benzene, Naphtha, and Toluene.

Make sure you wear gloves if you are using that stuff, but it's a blend of pretty common solvents.

I would not put that on the playfield, but you could wipe the non-painted side of the plastics with it.

@$20 a can, you could probably just save money by using Naphtha alone - it's unlikely you will encounter any tar or other road-grime requiring any stronger solvents inside a pinball machine.

Always use the LEAST amount of cleaner/solvents for the job at hand.

I agree with you Vid but that is also California regulations so.......i wouldn't put too much stock in anything that they have to say. My only argument is its not an abrasive cleaner and its good shit. Lets just put it this way, ive used the stuff on my motorcycles for years and years and it never scratched any windshields or ate any paint off of my bikes. That shit is so slick that bugs don't stand a chance at sticking to your fairing. It makes the paint shine really nice also and it does in fact put a nice slick wax on your paint.

I bought Blitz from a guy who claimed to develop it Or was it P21S he claimed to develop? It was quite a while ago). Either way, he told me to apply it with two fingers, no pad. So that's what I've been doing. He also said to wipe it off using a microfiber cloth, go in straight motions, not circular.

I'll spend on the wax, but not the other stuff!

You can read the ingredients for yourself. There is no wax in it. It is impossible to "put a nice slick wax on your paint" using a product that does not contain wax.

Next you'll be telling us that Cheez Whiz isn't really cheese.

Or you could read this straight from the manufacturers mouth.

“Plexus protects plastic more effectively than ordinary cleaners. Because Plexus seals the pores in plastic surfaces with a micro-thin layer of shiny, protective wax, plastic becomes resistant to debris, oil, scratches, and eventual yellowing. And its anti-static properties repel dust and lint.”

By the way just for the record, i am not telling anyone that they should use this on their pinball playfield. I dont use it on mine either. I am simply telling force flow that it is not an abrasive cleaner. Plexus is a very high end product and its good stuff.

All the information, choices, disputes and arguments ultimately got to me. I no longer buy wax, or “wax” or anything that’s supposed to simulate wax.

I just have bikini and lingerie models sit on my playfield.

I know that everyone has their own opinion and experiences with different products. I read every post in this thread. I also know that vid1900 has so much more experience with this sort of thing than I do. To me, if there is a best way of doing things, its the way that he does them. If its good enough for him, its definitely good enough for me. Everything that I needed to know was covered in great detail. My playfields are so much better now than they used to be.

What oil do you guys use in your vehicle? Inquiring minds want to know..........

Can you post a link to your supplier? I have a REALLY hard time finding stuff like that.

Well ...... hopefully this makes you guys eat your words.

Called the manufacturer Plexus and spoke with Blake who answered the phone at 6am there time to speak with me

He said that Plexus absolutely does have a protectent in it and it is a trade secrete. It was designed for the aircraft industry. Data sheets to NOT list all chemicals ...only ones that are deemed hazardous. it will actually smooth the surface causing less friction and add a protectant to it which will increase ball speed and inhibit wear

They 100% indorse using it on a pinball playfield and automotive clear and paint.

Do what ya want but according to the manufacturer it’s the perfect application.

They’re all the same.

Just be sure to get it in the handy quart bottle - super easy to apply.

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She's doing it all wrong. The bottle should be tipped the other way.

Could be worse. My sister tried to change her oil for the first time, and thought that you have to pour it in through the dipstick tube. She said it took forever.

Good job trying to get some evidence. I'll take a known wax over an untestable claim and an unnamed "protectent". If Blake lied to you there is no penalty. If they lie on their MSDS there are potential fines and FTC penalties.

What is the penalty if you're wrong? A little extra playfield wear? Maybe some wasted gloves & masks from applying it?

If that evidence is good enough for you then keep using it. I don't find it compelling but I understand why others might.

Thank you for making the effort to call the manufacturer.

My evidence is I personally have been using it for 15 years on playfields with zero issues. Not sure but he may even chime in here eventually as he asked what the site was I was postIng on

All I know is it has been a amazing product for me thus far. But that said I am not comparing it to the duribility of carnuba wax. I just apply once a month or so

But then again maybe all the users of this expensive high end product are being duped and love paying lots of money for pledge

We strive to make quality products that are easy to use, and can guarantee the Creamy Carnauba, and One Step Carnauba ARE MADE of natural brazilian carnauba wax. Unlike many other products that contain no wax at all, we worked over 6 months with industry professionals testing and developing the perfect product for us. We opted for liquid Carnauba because of its ease of application and natural cleaning properties.

Greg M
Pinhedz.com

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At least she made it easier to rotate her spark plugs.

It's not the State of California listing those ingredients, that came from Plexus themselves.

California simply says that the ingredients have to be listed, so if kids spray it in their eyes, or if a truckload of it spills on the highway, emergency responders know how to respond.

That's a good thing.

Well, that's a first. Pretty much every liquid spray & wipe wax I had seen so far was basically the same. I had no reason to believe this one was different when I saw it mentioned.

Can you share roughly how much of it is carnauba wax, and what the other major ingredients are?

When I buy a new game I add about 20-25 live bees into the cabinet. Game waxes itself...

Same here. I saw silicone mentioned in the MSDS, and I'd avoid it just because of that.

Silicone probably doesn't matter a whole lot when it comes to windshields and headlights. It does matter for playfield restoration.

That sounds like abrasive polish to me. There are different grades of the particles that do get used in polish (like the difference between novus 2 and novus 3), so it could be ultra fine particles being used in this product.

Yep, thanks for the legwork and follow-up

From an ex auto detailer
For carnuba wax, we used Yellow paste wax from Pro. Contains no abrasives or cleaners as printed on label. Pain in the ass to use compared to other waxes. Check out baf industries, and Walts Polish (sells Pro stuff cheaper). Wax is $17 for 12 oz can. Then look up detailing.com if you want to see $200 to $330 cans of wax. Bottom line to me. Vid knows his shit. But those companies are where alot of high end or high cost detail shops got certain products. Pros C54 upholstery cleaner for 11 a gal mixed 9 to 1 is great for cleaning interiors of cars.

All waxes contain a certain amount of petroleum distillates. Yes, all of them.

It is a matter of what types and what percentages are used.

If you find a wax that claims to not have any petroleum distillates, please let me know.

Pics or it didn't happen.

The MSDS showed 25-50% for plexus.

There are a few paste waxes that specifically say that they don't contain it.

I remember when I was over 40 and just figuring out how advertising works

I bought Blitz wax many years ago for one of my cars. I hated that crap so much that I literally wound up throwing the jar in the trash. Not only did it dust really badly, but it also attracted dust to the paint like a magnet after applying. Not what you want on a black car.

P21S is great!