Quoted from CrazyLevi:
It's classic AP in that anybody who pays north of $7,000 for one is gonna end up desperate to sell it at $5,500 with no takers.
If the layout and mechs are as good as Octoberfest, I’ll take one at 6k and re theme that badboy
Mustang is actually a better game than most give it credit for, it’s not great but it’s certainly better than a lot realise. Problem with that game was terrible release code, terrible marketing and a really restrictive theme, should have must been a muscle car theme instead Stern tried to tie it together with a last minute cross promotion.
Quoted from Tuna_Delight:
Yep. Mustang is a truly fun game with unique features, a great shooting layout, and extensive code. Unfortunately, too many pinheads will never discover this due to its unpopular theme and underrated rep.
Hopefully, a Hot Wheels themed game, that matches Mustang's gameplay quality, won't suffer the same fate.
At this point I honestly don’t know why someone especially AP if they are doing Hot Wheels (a racing theme) doesn’t just pony up for The Fast and Furious licence.
Vin Diesel is super keen since his fallout with The Rock to expand the franchise, there’s a couple computer games coming down the pipeline which don’t exactly give the impression they have much of a budget but the licence has massive recognition and appeal something AP need on a release.
Might not be the most popular licence on pinside but it would do extremely well on route for ops and there’s more than enough pinheads whether they admit it or not that would snap one up if it was a super fast super smooth shooter with badass ramps and mechs AP are becoming known for.
Quoted from jwilson:
AP has two main issues - theme choice and artwork. Artwork includes the screen graphics.
Hot Wheels seems like a great redemption title, and kids don’t really care about art as much.
Anyway, when picking a theme, it’s an easy choice - go for the one with lots of action. So far neither theme from them had had any action associations. On the surface Hot Wheels might have that but the kiddie undertones kneecaps it.
I’m not going to suggest alternatives, that’s a much more personal preference. But as a group when picking these things, just ask “does this lend itself to ADULT action”. Rick and Morty passes that test.
But I’ll recommend a couple themes: John Wick non stop action and cool scenes to draw from.
Fast & Furious more of action series now than racing tonnes of good action/stunt scenes.
Predator, say no more!
Any of those with APs attention to mechs and rules would be awesome, if they could do a killer job of the art (isn’t Franchi with AP now?) use scenes from the films to help their lacklustre display work and they would be instant buys for most of us.
Quoted from o-din:
I've watched them all now.
The over the top action is a lot of fun, but it was at it's pinnacle with Furious 7, a great tribute to Paul Walker, and for me it will never be the same again.
Yeah 6 & 7 where venturing into superhero territory, 8 jumped the fuckin shark big time and was abit of a turd and I say that as a huge F&F fan.
Quoted from o-din:
I've enjoyed most of them since I saw the first one in the theatre when it came out.
As far as all out action, Fast 5 was pretty darn good. Still have a soft spot for Tokyo Drift too.
I watched one special about how they do most of the stunts for real in leu of computer generated and it's pretty amazing.
Fast 5 is easily the best of the franchise, give me a pin based on that movie alone and I’ll bite your damn hand off
Quoted from JodyG:
I can see them having some games for sale at TPF...because we all know they have not exactly been building/selling many Oktoberfests.
Has there been any sales numbers released? I gathered it wasn’t selling great which is why I’ll be surprised if this really is Hot Wheels and not just a code name for a AAA licence, surely 3 games in now AP need a massive hit!?
BTTF would certainly be a sales monster which at this point AP must need a hit release?
Quoted from vdojaq:
I can tell you for a fact that the powers that be at A.P. visited a few of their distributors and operators a few months back and asked for suggestions and ideas.
AAA licences would have a been a good suggestion!
They need a licence here and there that gives them instant market appeal, it’s how Stern sell out before they even reveal their games.
Quoted from vdojaq:
I believe this to be somewhat true. I believe some are bagging on Hot Wheels just because it is A.P.
Couldn’t disagree more, I don’t see people bagging on AP at all, I see a lot of people who are hoping for a killer licence from AP that gives them a huge hit and a big seller.
If Stern was making Hot Wheels I’d say the same thing as I have in here, shite theme, but AP are not the leader of the industry either so they need a huge seller surely? It appears Houdini and Octoberfest didn’t sell too well so 3 titles in they need a monster hit and a universally recognised licence would give them a huge jump start with sales.
I think AP make some of the best games period but Houdini and Octoberfest just don’t cut it when it comes to mass appeal. I want AP to succeed pure and simple!
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:
Stern tried to make it, but either the car manufacturers or the movie studio made it impossible apparently. The game was turned into Mustang if the rumors are true.
Vin Diesel is a huge gamer and geek, he also has more control over the franchise now than ever before, he’s branched the series out recently into a new video (looks shit though) a Netflix CG animated series which isn’t too bad my son watches it and he actually provides his voice and likeness for it. I’d be amazed if he wouldn’t be interested in having a F&F pin.
Quoted from bobukcat:
Well of course it could be attained but if the price was too high on that license for Stern I think it stands to reason that AP getting licenses for 4 or 5 cars from the F&F franchise or even a single movie is going to be cost prohibitive for them too.
If Forza can get the licensing for 2 dozen cars from Fast and Furious for a £10 dlc pack then it surely can’t be too expensive.
It will be the actors and video/audio that will cost the pretty pennies, but you could edit a pin down to just include the must haves so Vin Diesel, Paul Walker being the big two, Tyrese, Ludacris, Michelle Rodriguez should all be a lot cheaper.
The Rock most likely would cost you the biggest, but with current NIB prices I think it’s a BS excuse that a license is too expensive, beatles has been done now and a pin with The Rock on would rack it in on location!
So where is this game on display? Any chance any pinsiders will be going by to take some more photos? Would love to see the playfield in more detail/head on.
Looks like another solid game from AP, certainly looks different from the photo we have, both Houdini and Octoberfest where great games physically but like this theme is the reason I probably wouldn’t buy for my home.
I do hope AP see massive sales/success with this release!
Quoted from ZMeny:
Please explain what I’m doing wrong. You are on me like stink on shit.
Frustrating, but dealers have been given no info at this time. I was told more info this afternoon/evening
Cool Zach, I’m curious to see US pricing so it gives us an idea what it might cost over the pond here.
Quoted from TreyBo69:
It seems like a decent fan layout. A few of the shots do look kinda tight, like the yagov like kickback shot. I like the use of drop targets to block parts of the playfield.
It really looks like a lower BOM on the game compared to Houdini and Oktoberfest. Not much in terms of unique mechanisms or sculpted parts. Besides the ramps, they're all fairly standard parts. A few drops, some pops, some standups, etc... Maybe there is something neat like the Milk Can shot, but I'm not seeing it in the photos.
The VUK shot to the curved ramp to the return is neat. It kinda reminds me of the juggler on Hurricane. I wonder how reliable the ball will follow the path without any side guides.
A loop the loop, a corkscrew or jump ramp where no brainers for this theme.
Pop bumpers as pistons instead of cheap plastic tyres would have been nice.
Quoted from PismoArcade:
Pinball Enthusiasts Facebook group has a 15 second video of it being played.
Can someone post to YouTube for those without Facebook. Thanks.
Quoted from TreyBo69:
It's not a theory. He works for Pinball Life and designs games as a consultant to Spooky, who buys their parts from Pinball Life.
Why spend all the time and money developing a new mech when you can use existing mechs and implement them in a fun way?
End result is almost likely the same but cost is way down allowing him to put even more in the game like all those LED control boards.
Quoted from pipes:
Definitely appears to have a lower BOM than their previous games. My first thought was that it resembles something that would come out of the Stern factory.
When games 1 and 2 don’t sell well, you either take a risk and throw everything into make game 3 a sure fire hit or play it a little safer and cut costs in case you have soft sales again, guess AP went with the safer option.
Quoted from kermit24:
I have to think this is an attempt to get a lower cost game into the marketplace. I could be wrong, but it just doesn't have as much "stuff" going on to justify a Stern Premium level price-point. I bet this thing launches lower than a Stern Pro price.
If it shoots as fast and smooth as it might look too and it does come out below stern pro pricing then I’ll take one to re-theme
Quoted from jandrea95:
Hey man we agree! Oktoberfest had a shit load of mechanics for the price, I really like it. As a company though unfortunately they feel compelled to go another direction to try and keep the lights on. It sucks, but its business I guess. I hope they sell the hell out of it.
AP don’t need to cheap out, at the very least they just need good to decent licences to grab that initial attention/the sweet nostalgic spot of the collector and licences that will make punters walk up to them in the wild and drop coin in them. AAA licences would cost them but also pull in sales sight unseen, it’s what Stern do successfully 3-4 times a year, it’s proven it works.
F&F would kill on location and plenty of pinheads would buy a super fast smooth shooter with that licence even if they say they wouldn’t because they don’t like the franchise, a butter smooth lightening quick shooter would sell and as for the location it would be huge the films have worldwide appeal and stick the rock on the translite no matter the cost and you would have a line queuing up.
Totally agree, I just put STLE next to BM66LE and the lightshow on STLE blows BM66 away, it’s a shame Stern stopped doing full RGB.
APs games have the goodies, they just don’t have the licenses to get them instant mass appeal, Stern realised theme matters and with a good theme and good art you can get away with a lot.
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