Quoted from o-din:

That's seriously debatable. Worst ever IMO.
It's probably all coming to an end soon anyway, so the industry will be able to pack it up with at least a little dignity left.

Quoted from jwilson:

So the game looks like it might be fun, but I have to speak up about the screen.

Quoted from JonCBrand:

I cant get past the off center display. pin could be the best ever and that would keep me from buying.

Quoted from Pahuffman:

You've never played it, so how do you know if it's annoying.
I give them credit for trying something different.

Quoted from ChrisPINk25:

Yeah, from FB stream. $6300 msrp. Comes with art blades. May come with a shaker. No call outs yet in code. Car spins faster as rpms go up. Orange vuk on left looks cool.

Quoted from delt31:

Yes I believe you're on the older side of the house so that makes sense. I feel like you've already had your turn ; )

Let us younger guys get some new blood in here!

Quoted from o-din:

The themes you mentioned seem super old to me.
What my years have told me is it has been a strong economy that has supported the buying of new machines the last 5 years. Take away the strong economy, and what are you left with?

Quoted from delt31:

Doesn't matter what the theme is if the economy crashes.

Quoted from jwilson:

So the game looks like it might be fun, but I have to speak up about the screen. Look at this screen capture:
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The numbers are unreadable. This has been somewhat typical for AP games - using multiple fonts, with too many colours and not enough contrast. I didn't really comment on the previous games but now it's game 3 and this stuff is still happening.
Please guys, look at how Alien and Dialed In do it. Spooky has been good as well with ACNC and now R&M. Those are the gold standard. Lots of reference games to look at. No reason for this to continue.

Quoted from wolfemaaan:

Yeah I wonder how many kids came out and played pinball the first time because of Stranger Things. If this is a new trend, then expect Legos, Minecraft, and Roblox next

Quoted from wesman:

Their font and color usage is ponderously heinous. Who is doing that work for them?

Quoted from o-din:

It's happening as we speak. Not only was it overdue, now we have the panic set in.
With the way things are unfolding, how many are ordering new pinball machines?
I don't want to sound like doom and gloom, but it is the reality of the situation.

Quoted from pipes:

Must be the same guy that's responsible for what's on the Oktoberfest screen. Same issues all over again. They just don't learn.

Quoted from jwilson:

So the game looks like it might be fun, but I have to speak up about the screen. Look at this screen capture:
[quoted image]
The numbers are unreadable. This has been somewhat typical for AP games - using multiple fonts, with too many colours and not enough contrast. I didn't really comment on the previous games but now it's game 3 and this stuff is still happening.

Quoted from Viggin900:

The layout reminds me of HighSpeed and I bet it plays just exciting. Becoming one of my new favorite games. If this was a Steve Ritchie design at Stern everyone would be praising it.

Quoted from o-din:

It's happening as we speak. Not only was it overdue, now we have the panic set in.
With the way things are unfolding, how many are ordering new pinball machines?
I don't want to sound like doom and gloom, but it is the reality of the situation.

Quoted from delt31:

Economy super strong. Wasn't due at all it's all bc of the media panicking to hurt Trump.

Quoted from delt31:

Economy super strong. Wasn't due at all it's all bc of the media panicking to hurt Trump and it's now causing a major economic impact. Super dirty but this will end and economy will roar back no doubt.

Quoted from Chitownpinball:

Looks fun to shoot, like all the american pins. The theme is just so so, like all the american pins. Id throw a quarter in it, like all the american pins.
The only fail is that they didnt incorporate a mech to shoot a car around inside that backbox. You could change the car out for any hotwheels. Woulda been so dope. Missed opportunity, especially with the offset monitor.
Oh well, when will we see another interactive backbox?

Quoted from delt31:

Economy super strong. Wasn't due at all it's all bc of the media panicking to hurt Trump and it's now causing a major economic impact. Super dirty but this will end and economy will roar back no doubt.

Quoted from TreyBo69:

Economy has been on the longest bull run in history. What goes up must come back down. The growth is unsustainable, wages remain stagnant, student loans and credit card debt continue to balloon, and the middle class shrinks as the number of people who would be financially insolvent if they missed a month's worth of pay grows.
Also the media had nothing to do with China deciding to shut down numerous factories and freezing global supply line chains for a wide variety of products. Stop watching so much damn TV and thinking of politics as a us-vs-them sport.

Quoted from delt31:

Ok I obviously took this way off topic but as a numbers guy yes, the numbers show the economy was super strong including a massive jobs increase. This is ALL coronavirus related. But back on topic! I won't mention it anymore.... My bad. Haha

Quoted from delt31:

Economy super strong. Wasn't due at all it's all bc of the media panicking to hurt Trump and it's now causing a major economic impact. Super dirty but this will end and economy will roar back no doubt.

Quoted from cooked71:

Car themes are generic. Indy 500 is a fantastic game that I could buy for a fraction of the price of Hotwheels. In fact I could buy 3 fantastic car themed games -Indy 500, Mustang and Getaway - for the same price.

Quoted from delt31:

Ok I obviously took this way off topic but as a numbers guy yes, the numbers show the economy was super strong including a massive jobs increase. ...

Quoted from PinMonk:

Yeah. It happened in code. Code progress was fine for about a year, then a major code update broke the audits completely (it rebooted when you tried to clear them). They said fixing that was not an AP priority. Shocking. I couldn't believe what I was told, especially after working to push Houdini and talk up AP with the operator I was helping. That was the end of the AP route experiment, which sucked because the game was actually earning well.

Quoted from JonCBrand:

I cant get past the off center display. pin could be the best ever and that would keep me from buying.

Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

You either have a great source for buying pins or aren’t very good at math. A used Mustang in good shape probably isn’t below $4k. Indy is $3K all day, probably more these days. So, are you getting Getaway for free?

Quoted from Beechwood:

Just like Mustang-Corvette-Indy500-Nascar... they may be good games. I don't know.
Because

Will the drop to $6200 kick off a round of price realignments around the industry? That's $100 more than the current MSRP of Stranger Things Pro. Granted, you have to pay shipping with AP games, and nobody is paying MSRP for Stern games if they are not completely clueless. The market is saturated, and about to be even more saturated due to the number of titles that are about to be released. A slowing economy will mean slowing pin sales for a lot of HUO buyers. Will we see some dog-eat-dog tactics and more aggressive pricing/discounts among manufacturers to stay competitive in the coming months? This could be the the second shot shot of a new pinball war. Remember, JJP lowered the price of Wonka SE last year already.
As for me, I still think the big market disruptor of 2020 is going to be Punny Factory

Quoted from jwilson:

So the game looks like it might be fun, but I have to speak up about the screen. Look at this screen capture:
[quoted image]
The numbers are unreadable. This has been somewhat typical for AP games - using multiple fonts, with too many colours and not enough contrast. I didn't really comment on the previous games but now it's game 3 and this stuff is still happening.
Please guys, look at how Alien and Dialed In do it. Spooky has been good as well with ACNC and now R&M. Those are the gold standard. Lots of reference games to look at. No reason for this to continue.

Quoted from cooked71:

You need to learn to negotiate harder.

Quoted from Number41:

I had a blast creating the Amy Pinn artwork as a freelancer...but my full-time day job is as a lead User Interface designer...hmmm.

Quoted from Roostking:

Stern is loving them some Covid-19! If the HUO slows much, not many nascent pin companies will survive. Which sucks.

Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

Quoted from jwilson:

So the game looks like it might be fun, but I have to speak up about the screen. Look at this screen capture:
[quoted image]
The numbers are unreadable. This has been somewhat typical for AP games - using multiple fonts, with too many colours and not enough contrast. I didn't really comment on the previous games but now it's game 3 and this stuff is still happening.
Please guys, look at how Alien and Dialed In do it. Spooky has been good as well with ACNC and now R&M. Those are the gold standard. Lots of reference games to look at. No reason for this to continue.

Quoted from o-din:

Yep, it should be easy to pay the rent and overhead on that huge new building they just moved into when sales slow to crawl..

Quoted from Roostking:

They will be the one who survives is my point.

Quoted from o-din:

You guess.

Quoted from Roostking:

Pardon my ignorance on routed games, but why would audit #s trump earning #s and cause the route operator to get rid of it, if its earning?

Quoted from Roostking:

I used to rolleyes vireland when he critisized the the fonts and whatnot . I chalked it up to "Most arent watching the display when playing" then I saw this pic and thought ok, this is over the top horrible...

Quoted from PinMonk:

You ALL will come to the light eventually.
Well, unless you work at AP. Muhahahahahahahaha...

Quoted from luvthatapex2:

Roll up your sleeves man!

Quoted from PinMonk:

AP doesn't want to hear this. They just want to justify that they're fine. Their screen UI has always been shades of amateur, but Oktoberfest and now Hot Wheels are new levels of atrocious and reeks of temp programmer art they just left there. It's 100% clear they don't have a producer with substantial game experience overseeing this, which is what they DESPERATELY need.

Quoted from BD_Designs:

Here are a few better photos my distributor sent me from the AMOA floor yesterday. I think you can see a little more detail in the upper playfield area without as much of a glare.[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Quoted from herbertbsharp:

Kinda looks like a fan layout that Barry Oursler would have designed