Fact: Stern has already listened to public feedback on many occasions. Most recently, they even made the smart move of allowing Mode Stacking to be turned off.

Fact: The Star Wars Code still has time to mature. It already shows great potential. With it’s simple layout, code will make or break this pin’s future.

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VOTE! I AM CALLING ON ALL PINSIDERS TO VOTE!

VOTE for MULTIPLE OPTIONS! PLEASE VOTE FOR ALL THE ONE’s YOU AGREE WITH. Read below for a description of each.

So ... Here are HOSER’S 9 DREAM STAR WARS CODE ADJUSTMENTS:

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What: Disable Hyperspace Hurry-Ups during the 4 Mini (Hot Dog) Wizard Modes.
Why: Who can enjoy these climactic Mini Wizard Modes if continually interrupted buy the Hyperspace Hurry-up music and screen countdowns? Saw this during Destroy the Death Star. Less can be more. Focus on the Priority. The Mission you are on.

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What: Mode Shot FanFare Sound Effect out. Mode Shot Specific Sounds in.
Why: Immersion. Sound Effects for each successful flashing shot should match the scene you are playing. Even better, have multiple different sound effects in each mode. Right now, that loud FanFare Sound on each shot is even covering memorable one-liners from Video Clips. Emphasize those Movie lines!

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What: No Collecting Tie Fighters during Mutli-Balls! (But Can still Stack it if Qualified beforehand)
How:
- 35 kills QUALIFIES (but does not start) Tie Fighter Multi-ball.
- Then HIT CENTER BUTTON 5 times FAST to Start. (or make it 3 Bobble Tie Hits to start if you prefer)
- Again, no kills during another Multi-Ball, but if qualified before hand, the trigger could happen during any other Multi-ball.
Why: It is too easy (and safe) to build up many kills during other Multi-balls. Earn your right to stack! Plus more use out of the Button!

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What: Change the DOUBLE SHOT MULTIPLIER effect to +5 SHOT MULTIPLIER.
Why: Slightly less outrageous scoring! The manual moving multipliers is a lot of fun, and pinheads will grow to like it over time, but a max 25X is more than enough.

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What: If you Shoot a Lit Planet, only that Planet's Mode(s) are available.
Why: It makes no sense to shoot Endor Repeatedly and then be able to select a Tatooine Mission. Furthermore, it stops the exploit of always backhanding the Left ramp to start modes on harder shots.

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What: A Trash Compactor Mode!
How: Either add to “Rescue the Princess” or be its own mode. Shoot every shot once, then finish with the Mystery Scoop for R2 to save them. This should be a TIMED MODE to give the feeling of the walls caving in (Think Hobbits Screaming during the Ringwraith Mode.) If not completed in time, you must start it again. IMMERSIVE TENSION!

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What: Premium/LE Use that Hyper Loop CREATIVELY!

How:

Hoth – Take down AT-ATs with the Tow Cable! Make a few shots then hit the Hyper Ramp to circle Tow cable around AT-AT. Then hit a specific Stand-Up (within 3 seconds) to release cable. If not, a miss and try again. Maybe take down 2 or 3 AT-ATs to end mode? On pro, Horseshoe could simulate. The Hyper looping, great sound effects, and a massive shakered AT-AT falling would be IMMERSIVE!

Endor – Start Battle over Endor by locking 2 or 3 balls in Hyper Ramp. Those balls STAY UP TOP for most of the Multi-Ball to simulate X-Wings and Ties in a massive Space Battle. Gives the FEELING that action is going on outside of your objectives. Add those balls back into play DEEPER during the STAGED MULTI-BALL! If a player drains down to one ball, flippers go dead, balls are released and drained, and a new ball is put into play with flippers working again. Life goes on, but you can’t wait to visit that mayhem again!

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What: Dynamic Volume control over Hyper Ramp Sound Effects.
Why: The Ball Looping Effect at max volume could get annoying quick.
How: Lower the volume of the circling ball after the first pass. Then, when you add a second ball to the upper level, the volume could build a little. Make it get louder with each ball added ... all the way to introducing up to the 6th ball. Epic and Exciting! Could give a chill up the spine if done properly, and become one of the most satisfying series of shots in pinball!

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What: Immersion! Story! Emotion!

How: The game is fast, but every once and a while hold the ball a little longer for the Story under the glass. A dramatic start to an event! Pause for a Super Jackpot! Examples:

- In the original movie, after the rebels are briefed of their mission and before making the Death Star Run, Music cuts out (or is at a minimum) and you get noting but X-Wing engines firing up and humming. This makes the moment real. Anticipation. Gearing up for what you know is inevitably against all odds.

- Empire Strikes Back when the Hyper Ramp fails. You are directed to Shoot the Hyper Ramp, followed by it only making one revolution and the ICONIC HYPERDRIVE FAIL SOUND EFFECT. Memorable quotes from Han before and after and it feel like you are on the Falcon!

- A quick draw moment with the Center Button for Han and Greedo. (Like Indiana Jones shooting the attacker after Steets of Cairo)

- Game Specific Call-Outs from Billy Dee Williams? Heard him speak recently. He's still got the kind of charm that would bring the pin added personality!

- The point here is to cram in as many of these ICONIC MOMENTS that are IMMERSIVE and make them each stand out in their own way. Pick shots on the playfield that FEEL like you completed the same challenging tasks that your favorite Heroes did in the movies. STAGED MULTI-BALLS and Modes really open up the chance to tell all these little stories. Way more interesting that just shoot 4 Blue Shots...

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*** I know you all have your own ideas, but for now, I ask that you “Stay on Target” and Vote on these adjustments. We need to make it CLEAR and have STRENGTH IN NUMBERS.

VOTE! VOTE for MULTIPLE ADJUSTMENTS YOU LIKE!

And ADD A POST BELOW with the adjustments you like the most!

Hoser

Thanks. I agree. Most people seem to agree that it shoots well and fast. All I want is for all of us to get the best experience possible out of this Dream Theme. Let's stay positive, constructive, and hope for great code! (Already liking code, but let's give it some soul!)

Oh yeah, when I made the poll, while reaching with my pinky to hit control, I hit Enter by accident.

The result, one of the choices was incomplete.

The 5th survey choice should read:
"If you shoot a lit Planet, ONLY THAT Planet's mode(s) should be available.

Thanks for your great ideas!

- Darth Vader Call-Outs = Immersion. My Favorite machine of all time is BK2K. Is Darth not the Black Knight?-

- Call-Outs on what to shoot for = Immersion. I'll take that over annoying Fanfare Sound Effects and the current Multiplier reset warning sound. Those take you out of the movie moments.

***My goal is to make things as clear as possible on what the masses want. I don't want to overload Stern with a billion ideas. I will eventually approach them with the ones that most people really want to see in the machine.

I will try to consolidate your ideas, and eventually add them to the appropriate selections above. Like Tweaks to my Tweaks.

In the mean time, help keep this thread fresh! Post stuff to keep it visible for others to discover.

Things like:

- Elaborate on why you liked any of the survey choices.
- Are you getting a Star Wars? Are you on the fence?
- Would some of these Code Adjustments sway you to commit to getting a Star Wars?

Thanks Grimboys. You totally get it.

And audio cues are huge on a fast game like Star Wars.

I get so distracted hearing either the Hyper Hurry up music or Tie Fighter Hurry-up countdown when in a mode. Zaps the fun out of those iconic modes.

A simple iconic Sound Effect to indicate the start of one of those Hurry-ups would be sufficient when in mode play.

Come to think of it. Do they even really need to light the purple combos on top of everything else that is going on? Sure, count the combos. But keep the arrows free to show what you really need to hit.

All valid points T-800.

I may have written a novel, but the goal is simple. Try to get people to show they care about the code and want it adjusted before stern can call it 1.0.

I can't write details in the survey, but if you read the 1st post, there are some clear and specific examples on how to the "Immersion" factor.

I choose to stay positive. Believe that Stern is working hard to make Star Wars the best that they can, and open to suggestions that could help.

As for the survey, I know the percentages get split. I don't care about those. I'm looking at the total # of votes. Get enough, and maybe Stern will think it important to look over some of the ideas?

Thanks to all for self police-ing this Thread!

There will always be trolls and haters.

I'm happy to see that there are others who wish to remain constructive here.

Who knows if they will listen, but if we talk enough, maybe something will make its way into the code. Better than staying silent and hoping they can read our collective minds.

Which options did you like the most, and why?

Ha. That is very creative solution. A complete do-over.

To be honest, despite the lack of toys, I'm digging the simple layout. That's what allows it to be so fast. Throws me back to my BK2K days. The machine never got old, despite deeper games in my collection. Why? Speed and Character. That Black Knight taunting you throughout the game was priceless (and the awesome soundtrack).

As for adding poll choices, I can't edit it once created. And there is a limit. I wanted to make it a top 10. Pinside polls only allow 9 choices for some reason. I had to cut "Hire Billy Dee Williams for custom Callouts!" (added it to the Immersion details in original post).

Now that would add character in spades!

I know things get lost in the shuffle with the massive read on my original post, but there are indeed so many ways to make use of that Hyper Ramp.

To date, my favorite Hyper Ramp thought is taking down AT-ATs with a tow cable.

Shoot the ramp to launch tow cable. Then ball simulates speeder circling the AT-AT with a few revolutions. Ball returns to flipper, and you must combo to a stand up target to release cable.

If successful, the AT-AT comes crashing down (with glorious sound and shaker activity.) If combo misses, it is a failed attempt and you need to shoot the ramp to circle it again. Take down 2 or 3 AT-ATs this way to complete a mode.

A blaster video mode would be sweet. Shoot some Storm Trooper.

Some might hate me for this. But with 3 buttons, this would be a great time to bring back some wicked video modes.

I still don't get tired of the 3 in Indiana Jones. They managed to make them challenging enough to stay interesting.

Hey there T-800. Glad to have you back in the discussion! Constructive stuff. I appreciate your perspective. There are two sides to everything. No censorship here.

This is a place to share opinions. I by no means am looking to push these ideas on anyone.

I'm just one guy with a vision of some ideas that could help the code along.

Just curious how many other Pinsiders like the options I've presented. So far they seem to be well received with only a minority of voters opposed.

Only time will tell. And time will weed out the options that people are indifferent to or dislike.

My goal is to see if any of them get a strong majority of interest. If so, send those to Stern, cross fingers, and maybe Star Wars becomes that much more Immersive!

To everyone visiting this Thread:

- Read the Original Post (more details in there)
- Post reactions (good or bad) to whatever stands out to you
- Remember to Vote (Multiple Choices allowed)

Again. All valid points. As for the percentages, it's a bit of a mess because there may be some who didn't realize they could vote for multiple options. However, I was limited with my options for creating the poll. And my first time making one.

I must stress the following.

My poll is not a competition. It is a means by which to show what most of us want from the code.

I know that is a captain obvious statement, as the code is still be worked on.

You have stated your reasons for not agreeing with certain things. And I appreciate that. Trying to disprove my method serves no constructive purpose. I ask you to work with me for the greater good. Give me ideas of what you would like to see tweaked. Or pick the one idea I came up with that you like the most and tell me why you like it. Stay Constructive.

Who wants the Star Wars Code to be the best it can be?

Let's talk about it. And if anything comes up that people like in the 70%+ range ... let's ask for it!

At the very least, I trust Dwight Sullivan to knock this one out of the park as he appears very excited by the project. Maybe he will find some inspiration of his own reading though some of this???

Let's stick together and prove to Stern that we all share one goal ... and Awesome Star Wars!

Thanks Phbooms! Now this is what I'm talking about. Nice review.

- Seems like people are digging the idea of only getting missions for the planet you just shot. No Endor Ramp exploit.

- More Call-Outs! For Sure.

- And missed that one, but yes More Character Specific modes would up the replay value for sure!

That is why I created the thread. To see if there is more or less opposition for these ideas. So far you are the greatest (and most vocal) opposition to many of them. And you are entitled to that.

I have a tiny sample size so far. To early to judge anything.

Give it some time. You've offered your thoughts. Let others do the same. Maybe we will learn something in the end. Maybe just a stalemate.

I am prepared to hear that all my ideas suck. But, if even just one of them is wanted by tons of Pinsiders, neat.

If not, life goes on.

Oh ... and Phbooms,

I have played the pro a bunch on location. Lit all the Hot Dogs on my 10th(ish) game and started 3 of those Mini wizards in the same game. I got to see most of the modes, and it still felt like too much was going on.

I was left wanting to FEEL those iconic Star Wars scenes more than I did.

The Movie Clips are great, but the game is so fast, you need to feel immersed with sound too.

When I am constantly being interupted by the HyperSpace countdown (not even a mode) and Tie Fighter Hurry-Up music ... I felt as though I was missing a lot of the Mode content.

I am cool with keeping all those stackable multiballs in there. Just dial back the sound for them when in Missions (and especially Hot Dog Multi-Ball Mini Wizards!

WOW! Awesome stuff!

Welcome to the constructive side.

Love it. Fabulous Trash Compactor idea!

And still hoping for the Hyper Loop integration for a Tow Cable on AT-AT for the premium/LE!

True. Come to think of it, is there another machine out there that uses a certain number of Pops to light up (qualify) an actual extra mode???

I know on Indiana Jones, after X number of hits, Super jets start. On Indy 500, one of the modes is to complete 30 jets. And on X-men, after a ton of pop hits, the Gambit Hurry-Up starts.

But after a bunch (let's say 50) pop bumper hits ... a NEW COMPLETE MODE becomes available ... strobe a lane (like left or right orbit) to start it. Fun stuffs. Like a hidden mode.

Yup. I waive all rights to anything I suggested originally in this post/survey.

Just food for thought Mr. Sullivan.

Very happy with the structure of the current code and the fresh innovative additions. Nice use of the 3rd button!

Some of these adjustments would be icing on the cake.

Agreed. Those shots in the Escape Hoth mini wizard mode seem simple and early code.

Fingers crossed we get to tow down some AT-ATs in that mode. Horseshoe or Hyperloop, if synced well could really give the FEELING.

Think how hard it was to take AT-ATs down with the tow cable. They should make completion equally challenging. Force a Combo.

Just like Destroy the Witch King in LOTR and Cyclops completion in X-Men!

Hyper Ramp (wraparound) followed by combo to Bobble Head Standup Combo! Boom, cable released. Down goes AT-AT! (violent shaker effect!) Rewarding!

Friday Bump!

Read 1st post and then Vote for what you would like to see in the Star Wars Code.

Well Frax, at the very least, we share the goal of wanting the best Star Wars possible.

Anyone else hate almost all my suggestions? I'm all ears.

If not, share what you like.

Thanks to all who are participating in this poll.

Thanks for voting.

Yup, I'd probably pin browser that loud fanfare out, but the game would really shine if every mode had mode specific sound effects for successful shots.

I heard this happening during Luke's Hoth mode with light saber sounds. That was cool. Leaves you wanting that kind of treatment in all modes!

Hang in there dnapac! You drop out, and the haters win. There are still a ton of good pinheads on here. I've been helped on a number of occasions.

I look at it like this. Only 2 or 3 people out of 17 different pinsiders who wrote posts have S#@% on my ideas.

That ain't half bad.

My ideas may not be perfect. But seems to me that this small sample size shows I might be headed in the right direction.

I have learned a lot. I did not set up the poll properly. I also feel like I put out too much info on the original thread.

I will not give up. I have a plan.

Keep your eyes open people for a much simpler system for rating Star Wars Code ideas!

I'm gonna list them separately, one at a time. Yes or No style.

Hey Gang,

I have decided to simplify things. One step at a time. One Suggestion at a time.

Go vote at this link for the Star Wars Poll#1(FanFare vs Mode-Specific Sounds.):

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/star-wars-poll1-mode-shots-more-mode-specific-sfx-please

MAKE SURE TO POST COMMENTS. GOOD or BAD. BUT MOSTLY to post your FAVORITE STAR WARS SOUND EFFECTS and their Implementation in certain MODES!