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Homepin OFFICIAL Thread - Pinball Parts & Machine Progress

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7 years ago


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Post #29 Images of flipper coils being assembled in the Homepin factory. Posted by Homepin (7 years ago)

Post #31 Images of prototype Thunderbirds mechs. Posted by Homepin (7 years ago)

Post #46 MPU Testing: Image and Video Posted by Homepin (7 years ago)

Post #47 Pinball Cab CNC Tests: Images and Video Posted by Homepin (7 years ago)

Post #61 Fliipper Coil pictorial Posted by Homepin (7 years ago)

Post #122 Delivery trucks being loaded in China Posted by Homepin (7 years ago)

Post #130 Factory tour video Posted by Homepin (7 years ago)

Post #131 Flipper links & other assembly parts Posted by Homepin (7 years ago)

Post #142 The plastic used for flipper links Posted by Homepin (7 years ago)

Post #153 Flipper buttons Posted by Homepin (7 years ago)


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#1620 6 years ago
Quoted from russdx:

I dont understand the "runs pc hardware" is not a commercial solution? nearly ALL systems these days are just a big system on chip running linux (ie i'm pretty sure this is what Sterns new system is) Its how every thing is done these days. And if future games are going to use lcd it will HAVE to be done this way!

Stern Spike 1 and 2 use Linux (Kernel 2.6.30). However, they really only use Linux to boot the system up. Everything else happens within a large static binary which is comparable to the firmware in an embedded controller. I don't see many technical differences except ideological ones. Running that a Spike binary on another PC is also not such a big problem. Try that with the firmware of another model of an embedded controller.

#1767 6 years ago
Quoted from russdx:

If going down the node board route (which im a great fan of when implemented correctly) hopefully will not make same mistakes as stern!

What mistakes did Stern make in your opinion?

As a side note: Spike is RS485 not CAN.

#1807 6 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

But no matter what version of the code he is using, he's violating the shareAlike license (since the code was covered by that at first) by failing to attribute to the source and sharing back.

Those clauses usually apply only when you ship a product. It needs to include the source/attribution at that point. At least that is how GPL is interpreted in courts. A prototype would be grayarea for the cause of attribution but for source code it would be fine. This is very common for all kind of vendors to get wrong (about 90% of the router vendors in the world for example). They usually fix it later. Though some need to get reminded in court.

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#1863 6 years ago
Quoted from Drenden:

Again, another person who has NO idea how open source licensing works. Open source does not mean FREE and it definitely doesn’t mean use without credit in COMMERCIAL applications. This is flat out theft. Mike needed to ask for permission from Ben as per the license since it was being used for commercial purposes. Credit is not good enough in this instance. Now Ben has said he would be satisfied with credit alone in this case but sans that allowance, permission must be granted not just credit.

Most open source licenses allow commercial use. The common definition is the FSF definition: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Free_Software_Definition. Attribution must be given in most licenses and some (but not all) also force you to ship the source with the binary.
Ben's license for the boards forbids commercial use. However, CC is not a common open source license for software. (probably fine for boards though). Does anybody know which license was used for the source code?

#1873 6 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Check the thread - this has been covered in detail ...
https://github.com/LonghornEngineer/Pinheck_Pinball_System
And look at the history on the license

That repository only has the CC license. There is no history before 2016. That is why I was asking.

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#1875 6 years ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

No, not "most". Some allows commercial use, some does not.
Creative Commons is a very well known licensing mechanism in the software development world. It is intended to make software licenses simple and readable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons
If you look back at Ben's posts, he links to the license being used--it's a non-commercial license with attribution.

CC is definitively not common for software. They even recommend not to use it on their website: https://creativecommons.org/faq/#can-i-apply-a-creative-commons-license-to-software:

Can I apply a Creative Commons license to software?
We recommend against using Creative Commons licenses for software. Instead, we strongly encourage you to use one of the very good software licenses which are already available. We recommend considering licenses made available by the Free Software Foundation or listed as “open source” by the Open Source Initiative.

They instead recommend to use one of the open source licenses from the FSF (https://opensource.org/licenses). And if you check those they all allow commercial use. For software it is extremely hard to forbid commercial use. You got ads on your website? You are using it commercially - boom. That is also the reason why all common licenses (MIT, BSD, (L)GPL, Apache etc) all allow commercial use. See also: https://opensource.org/faq#commercial

Can Open Source software be used for commercial purposes?
Absolutely. All Open Source software can be used for commercial purpose; the Open Source Definition guarantees this. You can even sell Open Source software.

However, note that commercial is not the same as proprietary. If you receive software under an Open Source license, you can always use that software for commercial purposes, but that doesn't always mean you can place further restrictions on people who receive the software from you. In particular, copyleft-style Open Source licenses require that, in at least some cases, when you distribute the software, you must do so under the same license you received it under.

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