what about our Govt thats an even bigger reason to be embarrased

They also say that if you say something long enough you will believe what you say is the truth .

After 5+ years I have personally seen you flip flop, back flip and side step sooooo many times that I even think you don't know what is the truth any more!
Amongst all the complacency and arrogance that you portray you always play the victim.
I also acknowledge some shitty things have happened to you and your endeavours for which I am sorry, but stop moaning and get on with it for christ's sake.

AGAIN give PBP and other Aussies who requested there entitled refund and you can move on with your lies ( I mean LIFE ) and they theirs. SIMPLES!

I have no interest in you but want any Aussie ( which you no longer are ) company to do well in a global market.

Haven't you guys learn't anything, you send games to new money and ignore old customers, travel the world to shows and take new orders and deposits, spend 2 million more than the games sell for and like magic, you are Andrew Heighway or DP? Except those 2 had a better product.

There is a reason why refunds do not appear, simple no money to refund. Just get a judgement and put this dog out of it's misery.

I remember when Mike loathed Facebook, BITD before he was banned from AA forum.

Those were the days back then when his rants were entertaining and didn't cost people time or money.

Very true!

Mike, i promise to shutup for one week if you answer these questions with a simple, clear, yes or no

Wow, childish bullying..

Thread drained.

so, what would you do?
i paid for a machine upfront 5 years ago
Mike refuses to refund money
has alterd the deal several times in his favor
has ranted at me over the changes

i would like him to admit some fault in his handling of his customers

If it were me, I would pay for the shipping, get my game and put this behind me. It is well worth the cost of shipping to put the stress and aggravation behind and to get your long awaited machine. Life is too short.

Anyhow that’s just what I would do.

air freight is $1800, plus a day off work to pick is up
sea freight is about $390, and i am willing to pay, but we have been told by the distributor that no containers are coming unti January

January and sea freight it is then id say.
It is what it is Pete at this stage. $390 to ship via sea is a good price. If you have to wait till the new year then so be it.
I know you want it earlier and are fed up with the constant delays, that's perfectly understandable. But at least you now have a definite time frame and out of pocket expenses.
Ideal?.. No... but it is a resolution after all.

Re-read Mile’s posts, or mine just above. Mike has not given any real shipping options yet.

Oh, no I'm not commenting on the *situation* at all, you misunderstand my intent. Sorry if my post confused you. I never claimed to know any facts whatsoever in my simple sentence.

I am commenting on the *behaviour* of certain posters, which is here, in black and white, and certainly does not rely on hearsay.

^ditto^

This is obviously going around and around in circles. Take the sea freight option; January is a little over a 100 days away and it will come and go in a flash.

Look into LCL shipping ( Less than a container load) . Look into working with your own forwarder ( i like Quartz Logistics). Of course this assumes Homepins's packing can handle LCL shipping....

These are options you can weigh against waiting till January. ( 2019 right??)

Good luck

Mike won’t allow this option. It was already suggested by Mr. Bally that he could arrange shipping but Mike put the kibosh on it.

Only reason to do that is the games are not made yet.

Must have missed that. Sorry.

Good luck

My friends are now suggesting that I should simply give up and wait
since I respect their opinions, I will

$390 a game and min 21 in the container that's $8k shipping for a $900 container shipping cost?

Please call our office and we will explain to you how this is calculated. It seems you have not calculated landed costs, that the price quoted is an estimate to Freemantle, Melbourne, Sydney, Canberra, Adelaide, and Brisbane (wharf fees paid, custom cleared, unloaded into warehouse for pickup) - the Brisbane customer for example does not need to pickup from Melbourne, etc.... Lastly, its 14pcs into 20ft container.

Please contact our office on Monday, we have a solution for you and can solve quickly.

there you go Pete a Full Refund Being Offered By Highway

Why would you entertain someone who is openly hostile to you being involved in shipping something on your behalf? I mean it's not as if the clearly acrimonious relationship between Ballypinball and Homepin is privileged info, it's all over this thread for all to see.

Homepin has a contract with the customers who have bought their pin. Neither customer nor Homepin have any contractual relationship with @ballypinball. If a pin goes missing, gets damaged, gets delayed, whatever - who gets the blame then? Who is responsible for making the customer whole in those circumstances?

I've got nothing against Ballypinball - or anyone else offering help - but it's not something Homepin could realistically entertain even without the obviously hostile relationship on show.

I hope you and others can understand that adhoc drop shipping arrangements are not how companies do business.

You have it all wrong I offered to pay to ship a container of all the games owed to Australians, I don't care who the hell ships them, there are 3 others here David Hankin, Balls and all and Pinball shed all Distributors here, who they could also take care of shipping options.

The real problem is not the money to pay to ship all the games, its the games are not made or ready to ship, as new money has taken over, you should understand this, as Heighway did the same thing.

Toxic is what Mike is doing to the Industry, Its not just me he has upset with his Mouth and attitude.

Ah ok, I understand now.

deadflip streaming it right now

So how did you go PopBumperPete did anything promising happen with Highway. Hope so mate.
And hope the leg is getting better. What a cluster#### this game has turned out. Will be toxic in Australia for a while.
That seminar talk with Mike at Pinfest could be interesting

I believe he sold his game.

Musical chairs, sell to new buyer and refund old buyer, round and round the merry go round we go, till the music stops.

No chairs left only empty promises.

I believed that also
seems I was wrong

Wait what?

I've been wrong before

So did you get a refund yet Pete
Or another customer paid you and took over your order

Once again, the truth is out there

Shipping of games to Australia was not delayed due to;
People not choosing the right shipping method
People not paying imaginary invoices

But due to proper government paperwork not being processed

Mike, I will again give you some advice, stop blaming customers for issues that are under your control. Don’t defame your customers with made up stories. Stop altering contracts in your favor

FLOGGER!
How does one sleep at night?
Was this revealed at his, um, talks at the pinball show?
So what happened to yours, did it sell or not?
Still so many firkin questions, why?

Since I had been told not to make negative comments, I suppose not

The negative comments appear to be comming from Homepin distributors trying to silence some people and attempting to use "hush money " to achieve this.

I got enough hush money to quit my job!

Nobody should be threatened not to talk just to get money back

No money would silence me

G'day folks,

I'm surprised that there hasn't been any updates to this thread since Newcastle Pinball Association's PINFEST event over the weekend, which hosted seminars from three manufacturers, including Gary Stern (thank you Gary for flying over 20 hours to visit us) and Mike from Homepin.

There were two of Homepin's TB's running solidly all weekend, including throughout two lock out sessions. Game play has much improved since the last prototype which I played exactly 12 months ago at the last Pinfest event.

Mike gave a very professional presentation, at which we were informed that the first run of units had already been exported to Canada and that those with pre-sale orders or deposits would soon be fulfilled.

Apart from being able to demonstrate the incredible difficulties and many hoops that the company has faced during the last 12 months to obtain final CE compliance and certification, I felt the best statement Mike made was as follows;

"Our objectives were to make a pinball that two half pissed guys in a pub could play and have have a bit of fun on. I think we've achieved that".

On Saturday night there were allot more than two half pissed blokes and gals doing exactly that on TB.

So here's a guy that fronted up to the show, in spite of the knockers, wingers, and skeptics to face the music, answer questions, provide assurance with facts and two finished machines, to back Homepin's efforts.

Mike probably wouldn't know me and I couldn't say I know him. But I've been following this saga for several years and feel for those who have held their breath in anticipation and waited very patiently for their machines.

Despite the all the odds, I'd be feeling much more confident after what I've witnessed over the weekend.

Congrats Homepin!

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Glad to hear it looked like a great event

Can I ask who the 3rd Manufacturer was?

Bring some to the U.S. of A and we'll get some fully pissed guys to play them!

Arcooda CEO, Steve Josifovski will be a guest speaker at this years Pinfest Newcastle, taking place over September 22-23. Steve will provide a 1-hour seminar from 12.30-1.30pm on the Saturday. A prototype of the Arcooda Pinball Ultra will also be on display for customers to play. Other guest speakers for the event include Gary Stern […]

Well he doesn't make a real Pinball? And doesn't have a factory production line making them.

The Battlepin and Airplane etc are more a manufacturer.

Anyone can have a Virtual Pinball Made in China and call themselves a manufacturer.

Anyone can have virtually anything made in China. Arcooda engineer and design high end products, of which VP, VR and combined multi platform gaming are just one component of what they manufacture.

Just because there’s no moving parts, doesn’t mean their product doesn’t undergo design, trial and rigorous testing.

I have little interest in VP personally but appreciate there are other platforms which draw peoples interest into pinball. For anyone who didn’t attend the seminar, it’s unwarrented to think they just slap a cabinet together in China and have it shipped over for sale to the local market.

There’s quite a bit of innovation going on in the VP scene and to discredit them as not being manufacturers is completely unfair and unwarrented.

I thought Steve's talk was the most interesting of the 3. Plus they don't just buy knock-off rubbish and sell here, all their IP is licenced and they design and engineer all their own products here in Newcastle.

Helicon Brewing is taking delivery of a Thunderbirds in Pittsburgh, PA on Wednesday. We will have a full report this week!