Great thread indeed. BTW, does this LVLP siphon gun from HF look like it would do the job? Currently around $19.
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Ok, another silly question... are you guys using black paint for webbing or something more dark gray? It seems like the webbing I’ve seen on most games looks a little more dark gray than plain old black. Maybe it’s once mixed with glue or when it’s “slung” out to make a web pattern that it just looks lighter.
The Pinballpimp stencils I just received mention twice not to use lacquer as it messes with the stencils. Earlier in this thread was mentioned that black enamel didn’t work well with webbing. So... what to do? I was going to experiment again with black enamel to see if I have any luck getting a webbing effect on some scrap poster boards. Not trying to over think this, but I’d hate to use that black lacquer for the webbing then have issues with $150 stencils.
I checked w/ Jeff at PinballPimp and got some clarification regarding lacquer and the stencils. If lacquer is applied to the stencils, it supposedly reacts with the vinyl and turns the stencils to a "marshmallow"-like goo. Not good. But, applying vinyl stencils to a base coat that has lacquer webbing that has already dried isn't a problem and won't harm the stencils.
Webbing done and I’m pleased with the results. I pretty much followed the #7 formula in post 1, but used clear Gorilla glue as I couldn’t find the other stuff mentioned locally.
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I'm restoring a Big Indian. Next up in line is Atlantis. The paint for the brown part of Atlantis is Montana White Kidney Beans, which is a glossy synthetic lacquer of some kind. I took the used stencil from Big Indian and sprayed that Kidney Beans lacquer on the stencil. Didn't do a thing to the stencil.
You can always cut off a small piece of the stencil material and spray it and find out of you get any reaction. Then just tape over that part when you actually lay the stencil out.
pinhead52 reported the same experience as I had shooting lacquer onto the stencil material. No different reaction than enamels.
Good to know that you had a different experience with lacquer. That's really interesting. Definitely good advise to just test it on a piece of stencil material.
Quoted from EMsInKC:A few questions. What game is this? Is the pedestal already screwed back in? Normally pedestal on Gottlieb games has a color paint and only about six inches of the front shows the base coat.
Also, did you make sure the legs will clear that added wood on the back? Looks tight.
I'm restoring a Gottlieb King of Diamonds (ironically, post #23 is also of KoD... w/ some pretty heavy webbing).
The pedestal is in. Actually, I never removed it. I did notice that only about 6" in the front center typically shows the webbing, but didn't pick up on that before I had already sprayed the off-white and webbing. I've sprayed the 1st stencil (yellow) on both the cabinet and head and 2nd stencil on the head and addressed the pedestal.
As for the skids I added to the back, thanks for mentioning the clearance w/ the legs but fortunately I already accounted for that. There's about 3/8" clearance from the wood to the leg edge.
One more thing to note on the webbing; when I starting spraying my stenciled yellow, it was apparent it wasn't going to cover the webb'd paint under neath. I grabbed my Kilz and added a layer (over the yellow attempt), waited 5 minutes or so then went ahead and sprayed the yellow again. Much better. When it was time to spray red, I preceded it with a layer of Kilz but honestly not sure it was necessary since the red is much darker than yellow.
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Quoted from pinhead52:A webbing of the day (will be a King of Diamonds) using the respray diluted Krylon method.
Looks great! Your webbing turned out a little more, well, web-like. Very nice. Mine ended up with a little more speckle, though I like both. Btw, mine is all back together now and I’m really pleased with the results.
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