Heh, my old-timey outlook may amaze some of you but...

Rule - This is commercial equipment. If it could hold up on route, there isn't anything that someone can do to it that will make it fall apart now.

My tilts are always tight, and I set my games so you can't restart them during the game, so I can't imagine anyone walking all over the house with a game. As for shaking, I used to always think it was cheating until a guy I was playing a pin with watched me get a SDTM drain and he said, "No man, you gotta shake it to save it!" and I said I didn't want to break it. He proceeded to violently move the game back and forth about a foot in both directions a few times (it was his machine) and he said, "Ain't gonna do nothing. That's what they are designed for."

He then had me play and shake the hell out of the machine until I tilted. He said that once you hit that tilt, you know you did it too much, and that is the rule. I've shook the hell out of my machines ever since

I have just one rule...

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It's above the door before you enter the room, don't expect to eat a greasy pizza and think that you can just stroll in without me calling you out!
As for "death saves", as long as the machine doesn't leave the ground it's cool; timing is everything, make it short and swift...

"Use the ball's inertia, ya' dingus!" ...SB.jpg

With that said, "bang backs" are usually poo-poo'd upon and "slide saves" on "my" carpet (no footies) doesn't really work that well. Other than that, just use your best judgement with liquids around pins and have fun!

Nudge all you like!

Were pins really made to be shaken and nudged a lot after 20 years of play in routes? I'm scared to shake my pin too much because something always seems to go wrong after I do. shorts I guess.

Rock on!

Thats one thing about games on location I dont like, you just dont know where other peoples hands have been.

I really do not have any rules, but if you treat my machine poorly you will not be asked back to play again.

I do appreciate when slappers take off rings, as there is no need to extra damage to the cab when not needed

They weren't made to be on route for 20 years, but they were made to be shaken. Game companies hoped they would last a few years tops so that people would earn more. Advances in how they were made make it so they last way longer, as do repro parts and stuff like that.

None of this has anything to do with shaking though. They were designed for it, more perhaps more appropriately to make sure it wasn't too extreme (thus the tilt sensors). Flipping a game on it's back will damage it. Shaking it side to side will not. I've never once heard of a machine that from even heavy shaking had a plastic break or something like that -- the action of the ball is a LOT more damaging to a machine than shaking it.

A death save is when the ball goes down the right outlane. Just as the ball glances off the left wall before going into the drain, you nudge in a right-forward direction and the ball is kicked off the wall back into play.

A properly executed death save will not harm a machine, it's just a kind of nudge. A friend of mine could do them on a tight-tilt Ironman with only one warning, and occasionally with no warning.

A bangback is typically done on left drains (though it can be done on either). In this case, at the precise moment, when the ball is travelling down the outlane, about three inches from the drain, you basically palm strike the lockdown bar. The force goes through the cabinet and propels the ball up to the right flipper.

At around 50 seconds you'll see a bangback followed shortly after by a death save.

Are you kidding me! Thats awesome!!! Gonna practice tonight : )

Thanks for that video.

Hunt , Buy , Pimp , Play , ( Keep some ) & Sell , drink beer , etc & Have Fun doing it !!

My only rule is don't mess up the floor or the walls. Slap it, smack it, slide it, kick it and yell at it. I sure as heck do. The tilts are set tight, so whatever you can get away with is fine.

Have fun!

For both of those moves it's much more about finesse than brute force. Also, you should think of it as a quick, well-timed "pop" to the machine, not a gargantuan "shove".

Here's a young man doing it all wrong:

I find little kids like to rapid fire the flippers like a machine gun. The parents never stop them untill I say something. Hugh pet peve. I'll kill the little brats!

I know exactly what you mean and no matter how many times you try to explain how to play they revert back to the button mashing it is unavoidable. I just make a mental note to order a few more flipper rebuilds. There is only one small boy that actually listened and started to play some pinball when he did I was shocked and proud at the same time.

Oh please. Worried about button mashing wearing out the flippers? Anal much?

More importantly, to play a decent game you dont want to chimp the flippers. First thing I teach a newbie is to try to avoid regularly hitting both flippers simultaneously as it reduces your odds of saving the ball. It is in Pinball 101.

If I had a nickle for everytime I've explained this also.

Yup, the last gathering some little boy held the flippers til it popped the fuse. I knew nothing so I had to pay a tech to explain that to me. Still worth the $100 for a great party.

I have a few simple rules.

For the kids.
Dont turn my pin's on and off. Leave that to me.
If you start a game finish it or drain the balls.
Dont put anything especially your drink on ANY machine or pool table.
If you abuse my flippers just bc u like controlling something then you can play pin arcade on your mom’s IPhone.
NO FIGHTING and take turns.
If you notice something broke on the pin let me know right away. Dont keep playing.
If you hit my pins you will not play them....ever!
If you think my games are too loud bring ear plugs.
Playing my games are a privilege so treat it like one or your privileges will be revoked. This is not the local Chucky Cheese and im not a big rat here to entertain you.
Dont tell me what I need to get next in my game room unless your buying it. Im not made of money.

For the adults (if you act like a kid plz read above)
We can only play strip pinball when there are no kids around.
If you get offended easy, you should prob not come over bc all of us like to joke around except for you.
If your a single and female you always go first. I will be behind you waiting to go 2nd.
Who ever is the drunkest will allway bat clean up (this is a dirty joke).
If you want to kick someone off of a pin you must only do it topless.
Never go to the fridge and grab a beer without offering others. That is just plain rude.
No half drinks lying around my house. Spilt beer kills my game play.
My game room is like vegas so everything stays in the gameroom.
No smoking in my game room or my house unless we just had sex and you cant move.
If you cant move for over 30 min you may phone a friend to help.
Please dont come to my game room empty handed and then try to give me money to make a beer run. This is not my job and I had plenty of beer b4 you showed up.

Relax man, you don't know me so no need to throw out insults like you do. And yes I do keep in mind that a flipper rebuild will probably be necessary sooner than expected when they have been hit all day long over and over. It's about upkeep. I was just relating to a comment made by another Pinsider. I see no need for you to get your blood pressure up about it.

I think it is just abusive and annoying and that is disrespectful. Read my thread "This is not Chucky Cheese". Has nothing to due with wearing out the flippers (my op)

love it!

"3. You play all three balls - none of this "my first ball sucked" junk "

Funny, I've had my best (high scores) games when my first ball sucked.

No posting HI SCORES...........if you do use the initials "E M H"
No whining............this is not a Pilates class. Yes my machines are hard and difficult.....nut up.
2 homebrew minimum.........I brewed with love.......and don't tell me it's too hoppy.
Compliment me on my weight loss and my hair gain.......(Mid-life crisis)
Don't change the music or TV channel.........yes I know you've heard that Black Keys song 4 times
No wine coolers
No hip hop

Sorry not meant to offend you, but a flipper can probably take tens of thousands of flips before it needs a rebuild. I think there is a flip count meter in the adjustments menu in WPC games, if I'm not mistaken. In fact I am sure most of my mid 90's machines have probably never had flipper rebuilds. Earlier in the hobby, I would rebuild them whether they needed them or not. Not any more.

Also, usually just a sleeve does the trick. That's .50c and 10 minutes time maximum. Occasionally there's a bit more.

You can't stop kids from doing their thing. It takes away from the experience for them.

Starting and not finishing games is different as that causes noise pollution in a room full of games.

Roger that!

Call me a loser, Im prepared to be killed for this. But all my games are 5 balls. I never played in an arcade, my first game was a klondike set on 5 balls. Never played anything else.

Exactly!
Also, these machines were meant to be played. If somebody does something damaging out of ignorance I'll correct them but I don't want to be a square and hover over them telling them what to do. Let them have a little fun.

Your machines your rules! Nothing to get flamed about unless your spouting off high scores or saying wizard modes are "too easy," which you're not so play on playa!

Im just playin to play, not to make money, not to be a pinball champ. Just play to play.

I say this all the time!!

Phoebe

That will blow a fuse? I thought thats what an EOS switch was for? Please explain this......

No buy-ins

My Pin's ,,

5-ball , ( Alway's ) ball save at factory and TZ has 1 Buy-n , Just in case..My Game's , my Rule's !!

Alot of PinHead's I know swear on the Forum's they are 3-ball , No Buy-n etc ... ( BS )

They Just go w/ the Flow and try Not to be an Out cast..( Ok ) I tell it like it is.. I Know Who

Ya Are !!

All of my machines set to 5 ball also. Fun is more important to the masses. If I want to attempt to crack someone elses score I can always say factory settings. Besides it is harder to make wizard mode if it is on 3 balls and I have a beer in my off hand =-)

"3 ball" till the day I die B_R!
If I want an "extra ball" I have to earn it...
"...Uphill to school in 12' of snow both ways!!!"

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I hear Ya Cool Breeze !!! We All have Our Thang ........

My TZ is the same way because those are it's factory settings with the ROM I have.

whenever we have a small gatehring or family get-together i post this sign up right above the door into our garagecade

dammit.... i suck at posting pictures!

Three rules for successful Pin experience:

1) Drink
2) Drank
3) Drunk

From reading all the responses, this video is sure to give some of you nightmares.

Hey, I didn't notice I was being filmed!

Number one hate followed closely followed by monkey flippin

Some of you guys a are strrrict! My only rule is don't be an idiot. If the balls gone the balls gone you don't have to rage shake it. But my tilt is set and anything you can get away with do it! If you can death save just remember it's about finesse. I'll do it from time to time. I try not to but I can't help myself. Bang backs don't work on my WPT but on my getaway I'd do them all the time and encourage others to try. They're built for punishment. A bang back isn't going to hurt anything. However I can see how sloppy death saves could hurt the cabinet.

This video actually wants me to teach him how to play better.

+1. Same at my house.

Only other rule....turn the darn pin off at the end of the night.....I am not the gameroom maid!!

LMAO!! I watched this with my son...all he said is "he sucks...look at his points"

I only get one good ball so it doesn't matter in which order the other 2 drain.