Yeah, I think the mod was $400 total after I bought the TV, too expensive for a lot of people. I think if you can get the price point to $300 or less you will get a lot of buyers, but at $400 it's the same as a ColorDMD, which is what most people will spend there money on first if it's the same price point.

It was completed and he sold a bunch of the kits, I have one. But he recently decided to stop producing them, that's when this project rolled forward to step in.

So now you've moved off of bad talking the op to bad talking everyone. Inspiring.

Yep, it's here in Seattle, along with tons of other original classic horror costumes, masks and props. It's a great exhibit.

Creatures tend to sell for about 1K more with the Mike D hologram in them, I tend to think it's going to be similar with this one. And I think the animations could really make the game feel more dynamic and modern. Plus, you can sell off your hologram and make some of the money back. When I converted my Bride of Pinbot to 2.0, the kit was like $2,000, but I did get to pull a bunch of boards which I've since used in other games or sold.

I imported a European Creature to the US and did the power conversion. It has has a service outlet, FYI. I've imported quite a few games from Italy and Germany and found many to have the outlets.

Can I ask, if you aren't interested in the mod's development and buying it, why are you constantly on this thread complaining about it? Don't like it, don't buy it! It's a drag to read through all this crap when the rest of us just want to see the mod progress and ultimately get finished. I like seeing the video updates and progress, I'm in no rush.

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I read that thread, he said demand will decide his next title and Creature is a possibility. He's still working on an updated bracket for the TZ and hasn't shipped many. The mod looks great, but I think it's optimistic to think that Creature will be the next game he does and that it will be ready anytime soon. Maybe it will kick work on this mod into high gear. Personally I hope Compy does STTNG next, I know that's one he's considering and one I'd love.

I dunno, if I was developing a new platform mod and selecting which game to do it for next, I don't think I'd choose a game that has a mod already far into development for it. While you or I might wager he could bring it to market first, that's not something a small manufacturer wants to gamble on, because they could spend a lot of time and money on something and then have no buyers for it. And a lot of people already have the Mike D mod installed. Personally I'd select a game with no competing similar mods/mods in development to ensure the most sales.

I'm gonna need a new lagoon window when this comes out, mine is pretty cloudy too!

Holy shit, that video of the mod in action is awesome! This is going to make it feel like a kinda different game.

There is a new official release of the software for Creature that might effect this mod. It would be awesome if it was planned for, since I expect most of us are planning on upgrading to it. In the Creature forum someone has reported after installing it the Mike D holo mod did not work:

Creature From The Black Lagoon
Revision 5.0

Summary

Broken features within the modes Multiball, Big millions, Snack attack and Move your car are fixed.
Random elements within the modes Multiball, Snack bar and Playgound can now be set to run in patterns.
Two new feature adjustments.
The never used left inlane scoring indicators now have a purpose.
Upgraded lamp procedure.

Improvements

Fully suitable for competition play.
Supports LED lamps.
No playfield indicators left for incomplete usage.

More from the updated Williams rom thread, this is from programmer Soren:

"Regarding the MikeD mod for Creature. A quick read up shows that it takes input from the lamp matrix. I will assume this is why it is acting different with rev. 5.0 now this is update to the "LED friendly" procedure 2.

I will be back later with an analysis of this and documentation for how it works now. And I have to say, that it should not be a problem to build devices that can interpret the lamp signals correctly regardless if the game software is running procedure 1 or 2. So I hope my documentation will make it straight forward for somebody to update the MikeD mod to run stable on all games. If I have understood it correctly, the original designer of the mod has abandon the project. But it is now maintained by somebody else in the community."

I wish you guys that keep crapping on this mod would just walk away and let it go. If it happens, it happens, if it doesn't, it doesn't. The constant complaining is repetitive and a real drag. Pinball is supposed to be fun!

Yes, but how many times do you need to say this? 20? 50? I actually appreciated the history and warnings at first, it was good info, we get it, we've all been warned. There is no point in repeating the exact same point again and again, as if it will change the outcome. Let's see if the mod actually gets completed, then have a discussion about it's merits and downsides.

I'm glad it's going to work with Soren's updated ROM, that was something I and others specifically asked for.

I feel like these videos create a major update to the game. Even if another product comes to market faster, I can't see it being as cool or sought after.

We know all this, it's been stated many times in this thread. But if I'm going to shell out $400-$500 for a Creech video mod, I'm still going to wait patiently until the one with the artist commissioned videos that appear under the playfield comes out. We can all wait 6 months and compare which is cooler to buy.

He's updating his Facebook every week or two with progress, so he is working on it. From December 27:

Holomodsp, Hologram kit.

We're already working on the Drive-In video, vectoring vehicles and preparing the story board.

I was playing the machine with the Rom Rev 5, and it hasn't given me any problems.

Shot a couple videos of the product at stake but couldn't edit them. The problem is that I changed the fan of the computer fridge and broke the lashes that hold it, now it doesn't comply and the processor overheats in seconds, blocking the computer if I launch Premiere export. Already ordered a new Cooler Master that I will receive tomorrow, will ride it with two fans, the serial plus a Noctua I have here.

While also taking advantage to set up the flippers with a recontruction kit and checked the tilt of the board with a digital tilt I received today from Amazon. I thought the table was too inclined, but no, the inclination is 6. degrees, within the standard of 6.5 to 7 recommended degrees.

From the video, it looks like all the triggering is working well. I guess what I wonder is how the transitions will be if you hit one triggered video a few seconds into the last one, does it immediately cut to the latest triggered video or is there any lag?

That seems pretty easy to fix/optimize.

I found my receipt, mine was $401.50 plus the TV.

I saw that PinballSP is now taking orders on his FB page... I'm content to wait for reviews from the first 20 sold. Compy went ahead and made MikeD's mod 2.0, so I'm sure that pushed this launch. Since there will be two competing similar mods.... price point, reliability, features, and how good they look will be the deciding factors as to which one to buy.

The one thing that concerns me with Compy's version is the screen looks to sit further away from the playfield window and at an angle. Which is what the original hologram does, but not exactly what you'd want for video. Am I wrong on this?

It looks like he's addressing the concern about the mounting and angle in that current post.

Oh for sure, but to be fair, you have been quite a troll on this thread.

He has made it to fruition, he's not responding here though. On his Facebook page he's taking orders now, the first 20 sold out. I'm waiting to see it play tested by one of the first round of buyers before deciding which version too buy.

Holy shit, I don't know why it took so long to see videos of this in action, but it looks great!

Ah, but he claims he's not a troll. I started to compile all his trolling posts in response to his claim but gave up, there were sooooooo many. There's just certain dudes, you realize that's their schtick and they don't care if they stink up threads for everyone.

I have zero belief you are taking a stand based on IP or morals given everything you've said on this thread and your constant trolling. These comments now are laughable, taking a moral highground a few weeks after you were encouraging everyone to steal the videos PinballSP paid to have designed.

If you weren't such a broken record repeating the same thing over and over for months on end in such a mean and spiteful way, people would have a lot more tolerance for your posts. Your negative voice is by far the most dominant voice in the conversation about this mod and it's just been too much and continues to be too much. Most CFTBL owners just want a cool mod and are hoping either Compy's or PinballSP's fits the bill.

This just isn't true. No one is turning a blind eye to what is being pointed out, they listened to the message the first 100 times and agreed with many of the points before they started getting annoyed with the messenger. There is a way to point out problems or caveats with a mod or modder where your audience doesn't turn on you and frankly it's not very hard. That dude declared he left the thread after annoying everyone, then popped back a few weeks later saying "Didn't you miss me, things are boring here without me," pretty much admitting he was back to stir things up. I don't get it, it just seems like being a jerk for the sake of being a jerk, rather than trying to be helpful and informative.

I pop in here when I see a bunch of posts every week or two, only to find the same couple guys just complaining over and over.

I would imagine this would help a creature do well on location, especially with younger players that have grown up playing newer Sterns. The animations will draw people in to the game. But I do agree, it's almost overwhelming, it adds so much with all that going on right in the center of the playfield, it will be interesting how people feel about it on home machines, because the look and feel of the game will be fairly different.

Good call!

How many big mods like this have you produced? I see you complaining on a lot of threads, like too many that I read. Do you have any experience creating mods or pins and the types of delays that can be involved? Why do you shit on other people's work so much when you could just say nothing? I don't get it.

What's your excuse for doing it on all the other threads? At some point you've got to stop blaming everyone else for your bad behavior.

Every time I see some posts on this thread, I pop in, hoping like most people, to see updates on the mod and hopefully some customer reviews of the first batch. I'm in no hurry and I do want to order it if it works well, if it doesn't I'll go with Compy's and mount the TV flush. What I find instead is the same couple people concern trolling.

Can't wait to hear how it works! Honestly, looking at the entire package of equipment, packing, the videos, etc. it all looks very professional and well done. I'm not balking at the price as much, especially seeing what people are paying for Stern toppers that do nothing to enhance the gameplay experience. I realized the dude failed to fully support one other project and the caveats that have been pointed out multiple times on the thread, so getting an honest review I think is the next important step.

I spent around $2,500 for the Bride 2.0 mod, but it completely changes the game and seemed worth it. And it was one of those deals where we had to wire a large deposit like 6 months in advance, then wire the rest before it shipped. It felt a little like gambling (more so in retrospect, given what happened with Dutch Pinball's next project).

I think everyone is waiting for the couple guys that have received them to do the install and give us a review. Hopefully soon!

Ha ha ha, no one that has read all your whining on this thread believes you.

I sold my MikeD one to buy and install this.

It's another thread, probably that convo is better there:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/dmdmk64-new-dmd-multicolor-by-pinballsp-is-on-the-way

That makes zero sense with this game, there is a lackluster often failed hologram right in the middle of the playfield. For the past decade multiple people have tried to come up with solutions and alternatives to it to make it better. From repro holograms to Mike D's first video replacement, to this loaded mod, they all focused on the playfield window for a reason.

Ah, gotcha! Yeah, 3 is overkill and weird. 1 might work as would 1 in the back.

Quite a few people have on Facebook in more friendly pinball groups. It's funny, this thread was mostly active with haters because this mod took so long to complete. Once it debuted, they all disappeared.

For Creature, I highly recommend ColorDMD, it's great!

I'm confident you can keep selling more for years if you continue to make them and support it. I still haven't gotten around to ordering it, but plan to for my Creature in the next month or two.