Quoted from littlecammi:

Your idea for hardware looks okay, but once all that stuff goes under the playfield all people will see (and judge) of your mod will be whatever video (and still picture) files come with it. MikeD's images were great, but you won't be re-using his files. And not many people will want to buy your system if they have to supply there own video files for it.
My Creature was built in March of 1993 and I bought it in 1994. Its original hologram hasn't been exposed much since then and is still nice and green. As soon as I get a pin I try to stockpile unique spare parts for it that I think I might need in future years, so I ordered a few lagoon window plastics and a spare OEM hologram (which I have stored in a closed box still in the WMS packaging). After enjoying the original hologram for twenty years I switched over to the MikeD mod for the variety of images displayed during gameplay (instead of just seeing the Creature occasionally during multiball). If only the game could display the original hologram during multiball and MikeD's images the rest of the time... (Spare hologram is not for sale. Please do not PM me.)

Quoted from AlexSMendes:

Cool!

Quoted from GRB1959:

I agree that the reproduction CFTBL holograms made by PD are of excellent quality and true to the original.
Gord

Quoted from Fifty:

Ouch. That's approximately $500-$600 CAD.

Quoted from Fifty:

True, but I had no plans to buy one at that price.
Either way I'm looking forward to seeing the final product that pinballsp creates.

Quoted from lucky1:

Why so complicated ? You could easily catch the dmd data and display it in a part of the screen. 1080 pixel width should be enough to display a upscaled picture of the 128x32 DMD dots.

Quoted from wcbu64:

. . . and Justin Bieber.

Quoted from Billy16:

Maybe not--best I can tell, you guys are responsible for this...

Quoted from allsportdvd:

I second that, the Bushwackers are Kiwi. We're responsible for Outback Jack

Quoted from zr11990:

Yea and if you had gotten Killary you probably would be paying more taxes than this other socialist countries. All those idiots do is raise taxes.

Quoted from Litedpinballmods:

I appreciate what he is doing on this mod. I will tell you something I have learned the hard way. Nearly all mods take 5 times longer then you expect. And during that 5 times longer, problems come from places you would never imagine. Then on top of that, when you think you are done, because it has taken so much longer then planned, then your materials change specifications and you have to go back and change things that worked before!!
Then on top of that, those who make are normally not those that can write, so the instructions are not written well.
SWINKS may be an exception to this rule. Both his mods and manuals are a piece of art.

Quoted from hank527:

I'm interested

Quoted from hank527:

Funny as I just got Rob's Creature in trade. I think he wants to see it in his old machine that I am loving.

Quoted from russdx:

Disadvantage of this is its TAX EVASION!, are you a responsible seller really suggesting to buyers to avoid paying tax?

Quoted from bobukcat:

The 5% charge from Paypal isn't a tax, it's a service fee, that is what he's trying to avoid the buyer paying. He also mentions that doing so you lose any protection from Paypal.

Quoted from Fifty:

Is the first image the 45 degree and the second image the parallel to PF image? I don't quite understand your post.

Quoted from grandDD:

is it not possible to use the old hologram support to install the screen?

Quoted from PinballMikeD:

I think not, but how would I know
If it was all about the money, he’d be better off making LED eyed action figurines for - fill in the blank.
Technical MODs are cool, but they are very time consuming to make and support. Plus, no matter what he comes up with there will be a vocal minority that isn’t satisfied with the product.
I think people should be happy someone is putting in the effort to develope a solution. Trust me he won’t get rich making these; if that were case someone else would have never stopped producing them.
Best of luck PinballSP. My only advise is this - stop posting until it’s done. In my experience I found it started to have a negative impact.

Quoted from wamonkey:

Another person came out with a similar mod and even got the images from MikeD hopefully either of you can wrap up your mods soon.
Both look great

Quoted from steve45:

just a quick comment on the delay (and I'm not saying this is better, that is better). Just watch and see for yourself:
before anyone is commenting on that: yes, I did not exchange the default screen, I know its from LW3

Quoted from roar:

That is a pretty impressive looking screen from the short video clip... did you have to commit to a large quantity order to get the price break you were after?

Quoted from flynnibus:

Beware that the LVDS cable interface is the portion that Heighway had the most problems with for it's in-playfield display. When the PF monitors 'die' - its almost always a fault at the LVDS wire interface. They are pretty delicate... I can't speak for the root cause analysis of why the HWP ones failed so much, but one has to be careful with them, especially any strain the interface may take due to how the monitor is mounted. The HWP design had the monitor securely mounted in a frame, but still had issues.

Quoted from bsbdmd83:

Wasnt there going to be a video today?

Quoted from Brijam:

He probably just underestimated the production time to make the video clips. Happens all the time, I should know.
I’m looking forward to seeing it when it’s ready.

Quoted from MrBally:

Can I be added to the list, despite there being no list?

Quoted from swillie:

Maybe when you spell KISS he can pop up with the red lips

Quoted from littlecammi:

He did when he appeared in those ads for CoverGirl and Maybelline products.

Quoted from spfxted:

Great seeing you two at the show!

Quoted from thewool:

Thanks that's good to hear!
I wonder if we just need someone with a good quality hologram, even if it was blue it could hopefully be colour corrected in the editing software.
***Paging someone with a good quality original hologram!!!***

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Quoted from nwpinball:

Yep, it's here in Seattle, along with tons of other original classic horror costumes, masks and props. It's a great exhibit.

Quoted from j_m_:

vs. a CftBL with a non-working hologram? yes. vs. a CftBL with a perfect working hologram? I'm not so sure
remember that pinballmiked did this very same mod almost 5 years ago, and that didn't cause a spike in the price for the game

Quoted from Green-Machine:

Seems a lot of people in middle to late 40 years of age that played pinball as teenagers, when it was hot are now settled and financial better than ever before are buying these pins from the 80s and 90s bringing a higher demand

Quoted from Green-Machine:

Just like an good looking car that will get you from point A to point B as well as an undesirable styled car of same showroom price but has a lower resale because it’s ugly.
Maybe

Quoted from Raaalph:

does the communication between mod and game actually work or do you only post videoplayback without connectivity to the game?

Quoted from zr11990:

No I never said that. I said that Mike gave his blessing for someone else to make the mod. I never said anything about him saying they could use his pics. It can’t hurt to ask.

Quoted from fiberdude120:

I just hope there is no lag time for the animations to start when things are triggered. I had a MikeD mod in mine and I removed it because of this.

Quoted from robertmee:

Soda? Hopefully you're kidding.

Quoted from robertmee:

That was kind of my point....cola is more universal. Soda is very regional.

Quoted from robertmee:

Yeah, but wtf do you care? I dont get that mentality. Hes providing a much needed mod. Your post is self serving at best and trolling at worst. It absolutely accomplishes nothing. I dont understand why people feel it's important to post needless criticism just for the sake of posting. Whether lazy or not, it has zero bearing on the outcome. If it works, is reliable, and does the job, that's all that matters.

Quoted from Brijam:

I have my doubts that sauce or smoke will even be visible to the player. Personally I feel this one is more than acceptable to ship.

Quoted from MK6PIN:

Totally agree....I think you've earned the right to start realizing ROI. I'm ready to contribute...If you have a definitive price/list/timeline to receive, I'm ready to buy one ( as are many, I believe).

Quoted from Rascal_H:

BASIC, 5 videos, 439.42 USD
HALF, 10 videos, 532.80 USD
FULL, 24 videos, 595.09 USD

Quoted from fiberdude120:

How true is this?

Quoted from zr11990:

I would volunteer, at great inconvenience to my self mind you, to install one on my CREECH and get video for everyone to see. Because that is what heroes do.

Quoted from Kerry_Richard:

Any update... inquiring minds want to know.

Quoted from spfxted:

Signed book is gone!

Quoted from flynnibus:

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Quoted from lucky1:

Steve and I offered him help to finish this mod a long time ago.

Unfortunately he does not want to cooperate. Neither on DMDMK66 nor on this project. He prefers to take public projects from others, relabel and release them under his own project name. Steve and I have all the pieces together to release this mod even without tiltaudio within a few weeks. And yes we have a video of it working https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-creature-holo-mod-for-cftbl

Quoted from russdx:

Pretty sure pinballSP has marked me down as the Troll leader!
I think any one with an ounce of engineering background knows this mod is doomed just from previous behaviour / what is shown in this thread.
I do hope it’s finished so people can eventually buy it but I honestly don’t think it will work as described and people will be left very disappointed like the DMD which was sold missing it’s biggest selling point (colour)

Quoted from lucky1:

PIN2DMD is capable of sending out serial commands when certain dmd images appear and I have also made a pcb which is connected to the WPC bus to send out commands when a certain sound is played. It was meant for those who don´t want to replace the original sound board with TiltAudio to make Steves CFTBL mod work with his Serial Media Server. Steve also has read out the switch matrix of DataEast pinball machines with a arduino to control LED strips.
So far we did not have a project which is reading out the lamp and switch matrix from WPC machines like Luis want´s to do it, but given the fact that I had to look at the timing of those signals for my PIN2RPI project (https://www.flippertreff.de/start/forum/topic/11513-pin2rpi-wpc89s95-raspberry-pi-pinball-controller/) it should not be too hard to realize that also in a small PCB.

Quoted from russdx:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-mod-twilight-zone-interactive-backboard-display
pinballSP just license this guys hardware/software or sell him the videos

Quoted from russdx:

I think expedited DHL shipping is a bit wasted on pinballSP
But being serious compy is fast catching up with another version of this mod Just missing the nice videos..

Quoted from RGAires:

We have news?

Quoted from Manny65:

Compy has made an interactive TZ backboard but is looking at doing other machines (not necessarily backboards) https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-mod-twilight-zone-interactive-backboard-display

Quoted from nwpinball:

I dunno, if I was developing a new platform mod and selecting which game to do it for next, I don't think I'd choose a game that has a mod already far into development for it. While you or I might wager he could bring it to market first, that's not something a small manufacturer wants to gamble on, because they could spend a lot of time and money on something and then have no buyers for it. And a lot of people already have the Mike D mod installed. Personally I'd select a game with no competing similar mods/mods in development to ensure the most sales.

Quoted from russdx:

There is definitely a window there you can tell by the reflections on the wood and can see like a very minor bevel to the window at the bottom, its freaking clear though LOL, don't they usually have some plants decal around them though? But still needs to be a video of it in action to tell if the mod works as advertised or not.

Quoted from locke987:

You think that this thread can't get funnier anymore and then it even gets better.
Meanwhile we have already arrived at conspiracy theories.
Thanks a lot guys you saved my day again.
Personally, I think that All the Hardware Louis presented is fake as well. The circuit boards he „developed“ have no function at all.
And even Louis himself is probably fake. I think the government is behind all this and they just want to distract us from the really important things like their Failure In the fight against Corona or the desperate attempt to declare a valid presidential election invalid.
But Louis will soon prove it to all unbelievers. He will come back from the ashes like a phoenix , presenting the one and only video in his filthy creature with the crystal clear window and thats the moment where we all have to admit to ourselves....we were all wrong.
At this Point i normally wake up and Realize it will never happen ....
Sorry Lous, please come back to us, we are only kidding!

Quoted from PinballMikeD:

My MOD intercepts signals from the lamp matrix. Using the audio board would have been a better approach, just didn’t think to do that. Keep in mind the MOD was originally intended to just replace the hologram, which is why I started with the lamp matrix. The hardware was 90% designed before we expanded the video capacity.
We tested the switches, but found the RPi to read them inconsistently. However, we built the MOD with gen one boards.

Quoted from Raaalph:

If you have the chance to look at the mikeD mod you’ll see how this mod will eventually work, or not. The OP is mediocre at Hardware design but a complete mess when it comes to coding so I assume he will use parts or the complete code of mikes mod, unfortunately.
Compy’s approach of reading the sound commands is a much more precise method of playing the correct video as the machine literally “tells” you what’s going on
I suggest anyone with a sense of business should release his/her own creech mod as this one will probably never reach a reliably working state. compy *hinthint*

Quoted from jorro:

Ok almost 3 hours have passed since your post...... and now????

Quoted from nwpinball:

I feel like these videos create a major update to the game. Even if another product comes to market faster, I can't see it being as cool or sought after.

Quoted from john17a:

What product is that please

Quoted from russdx:

Something about breaking his computer and had to order parts to fix it.

Quoted from zr11990:

That is what we paid for the TZ mod or pretty close.

Quoted from zr11990:

I was thinking I paid around 450 shipped. Oh well, it was worth it.

Quoted from Manny65:

Yes it did look to me that the cardboard "tube" on the bottom of PF was still there, which would give it a bit of a tunnel vision type look compared to having a screen directly mounted to the underside of the PF. I guess Compy's mod would be more in keeping with the original look of the hologram

Quoted from flynnibus:

I just can’t believe the twipy snub for this mod

Quoted from Soulrider911:

What is the dmdmk66? Is it another project? IF so maybe give the guy a break… clearly working very hard and my assumption is he will get the other project when he can pivot focus?

Quoted from BigMo:

I have to say that I am reluctant to post on this thread, not because of the Mod as it is really, really awesome, but due to the grief I received when I posted in support of the mod which resulted in a barrage of aggressive PMs. Its one the reasons I do not post on Pinside anymore, even though I have only recently joined.
That all said, and expecting the onslaught of nasty PMs and downvotes, it would be wrong not to reply and say how much me and my son love this mod. My machine is heavily modded and this is the icing on the cake. I had looked to by one of the high def repo holograms (around the 400 euro mark) but there are none around, so I bought a not so high quality one and though it was better than nothing both my son and I felt the disappointment when a murky, blurry and spotty creature appeared
I noticed how my son would apologise to his friends who played on the machine that the creature looked bad and actually asked me to disconnect it. With the new mod, there is now fun when hitting the switches and the dark hole in the playfield is colourful and responsive to our game play. My son is now constantly wanting his friends to come over to see it and we are now always playing on it again.
So in short (and knowing the grief I will get) this mod is AWESOME and well worth it and thank you Luis for persevering in this outstanding Innovation.
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Quoted from BigMo:

lol
I got him to help me restore our CFTBL and CV, so he treats both machines with respect, his friends on the other hand...Meh