Which was being said two years ago as well by someone else! Lol. I’m keeping the faith, but holy crap this is getting a little long in the tooth. I truly hope this gets completed and out to market. He currently has a machine in his apartment that can have the mod installed btw. Regardless of the wires needing a new connector. The mod could be installed!

Joining the "just confused" group the only part tough to understand is as I recall back in I believe February of this thread he was taking a list to do a first run release with as I recall a slight delay waiting for a China cable or something and then the direction vanished...... Seemed like this was finally on a track then the train never came out of the tunnel?

he uses ignore when his spin has no effect.

Yet for 3+ years now people keep shielding the same behavior... over and over and over.

I'm waiting for lots of new creech mod threads to appear now the OP has the creech machine

so many options and cool stuff to add, probably he currently can’t even decide which future mod to announce first

I'm officially out. The time this has taken has made me really appreciate my hologram : )!

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No need for new mod threads, it is just being added to this one. There is always hope of more threads, however...

LOL that cracked me up. Poor creech.

I was wondering how he'd next post without posting any working videos of the mod and he didn't disappoint. More features. THAT MAKES EVERYTHING BETTER.

lol.

--Donnie

This mod will never happen as a 100 others will be started (and never finished before it) LOL

I feel sorry for everyone that has followed this since day one over 2,000 posts and several years ago and still nothing to show for it.

I saw this one coming as I am sure did a lot of other pinsiders.

I think my Creech has turned back to green waiting. Lol

Meh, Its interesting to watch the progress, maybe it'll inspire others to tackle some hardware stuff. Shared info is not wasted.

I gotta say that I have zero respect for some people here that demand a product be released. He could or could not ever release this. He could finish this and keep it for his own machine only and tell everyone else to piss off. It's his project, doesn't owe anyone a thing here.

Would it not be possible to remove the hologram and put an actual model of the creature in there ?

I can understand the disappointment though. If I had a CFTBL, I would want this so bad. But it has been fun for me to watch this thread. His videos are awesome! Like you said.. I can't imagine this won't at least inspire somebody even if it doesn't get released. But I still find it hard to believe he won't release especially now that he has so much money invested and finally owns an actual CFTBL.

The guy means well and has come up with some very cool videos. It would be great if it ever got done but at this point I dont ever think it will get done. He should have had the mod working before spending money on the vids. Hey, at least he didnt take money in advance and never put out a product like WayNO.

I think the most annoying about this mod is every one can see how great it could be, the videos are fantastic its just a shame the guy making is all over the place and cant just finish one thing before starting some thing else. Most people would of had the hardware working with just a few dummy videos then starting paying an artist to create all the fancy ones. Not create loads of videos with no working hardware to process them. Either something is very wrong with the hardware or just to busy to finish it.

As other have said none of this matters as no money has been taking so its just a fun ride to watch (crash and burn) but hopefully something will come of it as the OP must of spent some $$$ on it now! Need to recoup that some how. I just think the OP does not have much business sense or vision when it comes to these mods or maybe they are just for fun and not something he does to produce income for him self???

He is paying someone to do these vids, surly he would want to finish the thing and sell them to get that money back.

I don't even own a Creature and this is my favourite thread on pinside. I'm cheering for him!

Steve and I offered him help to finish this mod a long time ago.

Unfortunately he does not want to cooperate. Neither on DMDMK66 nor on this project. He prefers to take public projects from others, relabel and release them under his own project name. Steve and I have all the pieces together to release this mod even without tiltaudio within a few weeks. And yes we have a video of it working https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-creature-holo-mod-for-cftbl

So produce yours. It would sell, then this guy could sell his videos.

I think he'll finish it; he just isn't worried about anybody else's timetable.

What will be more interesting, is to see how many people actually buy one once it's available.

Every time this topic pops up, i get engelbert humperdink in my head.

If it was anyone else and their project.. I'd agree.

What is comical tho is how many people bury their head in the sand about how he operates and what seems to motivate him. All anyone needs to do is read the DMD panel thread and this thread's future was told from the day he started it.

The obvious takeaways people just refuse to see... instead just arguing "hes not taking your money"...

1 - Recycle other people's work
2 - No respect for other people's IP
3 - Loves designing boards
4 - Will always call something 'final' and two lines later talk about the changes he is going to make
5 - Takes great pride in showing off his hardware designs
6 - Promises just one more thing left... and then immediately adds more to the project goal
7 - Dismisses any technical challenges/inquires if people don't buy into his hand waving
8 - Loves hardware - Generally can't finish software.
9 - Will always come up with something else to do (next project, next tweak, whatever) rather than finish the complete package

Finally after so long with the DMD panel he got smart and contracted out his software... but only the editor... but I guess that guy can't do firmware work... so he's got an editor with no functioning color firmware on his board.

This time for the holomod he contracted the art out... but what's missing again? Oh yes, proven firmware and a complete package validated on the target.

What's the latest post? Oh yes, what other new things he's going to add to the product that was declared final how many times?

It's a broken record... yet people are just blinded by their eagerness to get the result.

Hey what's going on with TiltAudio? Is Steve able to work on it again soon?

So, the reason I bowed out is - life happens - and other expenses come up, and I'm not comfortable holding money in place for something that may or may not ever happen, given we are going into - what....year 3 of waiting?

I genuinely don't mind waiting, but everyone has a limit, and I am more interested in moving my money to paying a bill faster.

Not that I had to explain myself, but in this circumstance, I felt it was more warranted. All the delays normally add up to a higher price than originally intended as well. Historically, when have delays lead to lower prices?

Actually this weekend will mark 3 1/2 years and we will hit 4 years on Feb 16, 2021!

And worst thing i lately heard more then once , people who bought his products and have a problem get 0 service or support

I hope he gets it done
But im out, maybe i'll change my mind if this thing ever pops up....
I have a too short span of attention, and im just too relying on customer support on these kind of products.

You have more chance of lucky1 fixing one of OP's boards issues then him

I understand and respect the fact you don’t like assembly and packing... but I think it is rather disingenuous to come into this thread and flaunt your solution that as far as a potential buyer is concerned is in the exact same state as this one. If they can’t buy a fully plug and play solution it might as well not exist. Robertstone0407 appeared to take your solution pretty far but then went dark over a year ago on it.

That is the reason why I was talking to Luis about a cooperation and offered to make his solution work from the firmware side.
Furthermore I don´t see Steve´s solution not at all in the same state as Luis solution, because it already has been built and installed from users in their cftbl machine and is a flawlessly working DIY solution with all information to build it publicly available.

If Vegas had a line on this what would the over & under be on 4 years?

I never understood reading the switch matrix if you could read frame data sent to the DMD and trigger off of that.

My comment was directed at any specific person.

FYI - I quit making these when the demand dwindled drastically after my 3rd production run. I had a lot of interest on the forum, but when it came time to purchase..... well that was a different story.

And before anyone posts or PMs me...

NO, I’m not making any more of these.

@ MikeD

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So your saying there’s a Chance....

There have been comments about why the developer isn’t pre-selling this mod, even though it’s not fully completed and the other overbearing question..”why is it taking so long”.

Isn’t that what certain pin companies are doing? Selling you partially completed products or a product that hasn’t been adequately bench or game play tested well knowing there could be post production issues but selling it anyway and then trouble shoot any known and new defects on the fly with retrofit hardware or software, letting the buyer have to deal with all the anguish and frustration after they’ve parted with their heard eared dollars $$$.

I’ve owned my CFTBL for over 20 years and have been following this thread for 3. When I purchased my game 20 years ago, I knew exactly what I was getting, having played in on site for a few weeks beforehand.

I’m happy to wait as long as it takes, until this mod is as close to bullet proof as it can get and if that never happens, then so be it. I don’t want to be pulling something that works out and then installing something different that might need to be removed and sent back and forth in the mail, or contemplate a refund. The ethic of quality control seems to have flown out the window because most kids can’t wait to get their toys before Christmas.

It’s been interesting to read about one how one man’s vision and passions are openly shared within this community. If anyone else has the intelligence, skill sets, time, initiative, resources and business sense to make something similar commercially available since the Mike D version, and in a shorter time frame than this bloke, then go ahead and do it! There’s no copyright and no body stopping you.

If you decide to share the journey as this member has, then get ready for the same barrage of criticism along with posts of support, as this one has.

Bottom line for this pinsider - I’ll be more than glad to part with my $$$’s for a finished stable product at a reasonable price. Not pay now, cringe, cry out for customer support and regret pulling out my halo in the first place.

In the meanwhile, enjoy the journey...

Are we?Its probably been asked many times but why can’t the Mike D Mod be sold again,or something close.

That’s easy. Because after you factor in the development, production and customer support hours (complaints), or simply put “return on investment”... why would anyone want to?

If it was economically viable or even
profitable it would have happened. Then some guys just develop products and want to share it with other, for the sake of wanting others to experience their creation. Maybe even a break even approach.

I would at a guess think that this developer has already spent a thousand plus combined hours and racked up allot of OOP expenses.

For the defenders who are saying that people shouldn't complain because he's taking so long and they are worried it will never get finished. He may finish it, but it also seems quite possible he may not. The way I see it, if he doesn't, he may very well have prevented someone else to step up and make it over the last 3 1/2 years because they figured someone was already working on it.....

What you're doing is fantastic! Thanks! Love seeing the process. If someone doesn't want to wait....move on. No one is FORCING you to stay here or buy anything. When it's ready, it's ready.....then buy or not. Sheesh...not rocket science....

They’re not trolls!
The problem is that you’ve sold a DMD with promises of full colour but haven’t released the firmware and your excuse is that you’re now doing this mod first and will come back to the DMD,m firmware when is is finished, what about the hundred customers who paid for your DMD and now have decent hardware with extremely limited software?
If you’re not going to release a firmware at least open it up so we can install Pin2dmd on it which is far superior and can run on your hardware.
I’d be wary of buying this mod as you’ll probably release something unfinished, promise an update and move onto something else instead.

You and other defenders of this guy aren't paying attention or are choosing not to believe others. The post above, which I'll link here again for you:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/hologram-mod-for-creature-from-pinballsp-is-under-development/page/42#post-5796900

IS SPOT ON. This is exactly what pinballsp has done.

I'll go further to say, having watched all this unfold, that I believe pinballsp has some very nice hardware design skills. He has some very nice equipment for making low to medium volume PCB production runs and he knows how to use it. What he's apparently *not* good at is firmware and he's especially not good at higher level software or art. He's been able to find someone to do art as well as even higher level software. He's apparently NOT been able to find someone to do firmware level things. And I believe he's probably struggling mightily with this part of his mod right now and that's why there's no video of it working in a machine yet.

And for those who keep saying "he's this far in, he won't stop now", well, look at his DMD project. People bought it, have it in their machines, and don't have the promised software to make it do what it was supposed to do YEARS later. I'd also add that others have offered to fix THAT for him, too, if he'll just give them the encryption key. But he won't. And then he ran off and started a multi-year project to do a totally different mod with promises to return to that one when this is done. And yet here we are...in the same cycle. More features, never finishing anything.

I'd love to be proven wrong on this firmware debacle, but so far there's no evidence this mod actually *works*. Or evidence that he even has the skills to make it work.

--Donnie