My Hokus Pokus started just adding scores all of a sudden. Even when you touch a flipper button. Either side. Totally out of the blue. Quick ideas or just cleaning switches ?
You're currently viewing posts by Pinsider Nikrox2.
Click here to go back to viewing the entire thread.
My Hokus Pokus started just adding scores all of a sudden. Even when you touch a flipper button. Either side. Totally out of the blue. Quick ideas or just cleaning switches ?
Ok. Cleaned and checked spacing , possibly one side kicker was too close. But now it automatically gives points , goes thru all 5 balls and finishes - all by itself ?? Hit the start new game and it does it all in about 20 seconds. Lol. Did I do something wrong or is it pointing to a bigger issue now?
Thanks “HowardR”. One your also helping me on another post I believe (double barrel). So thanks for your time and knowledge
I’d never even thought to check those. And yes it was very close if not closed. So adjusted open and I’m still getting same thing. And not knowing if
You meant the one as the ball drains or the one at the plunger (which is a normally closed switch so made sure it was ). I checked both. Still same
But it opened my eyes to other possible switches?
It runs thru the full sequence and match at the end. And it’s alwyas around 2,200 - 2,400 points total.
I can start it by the play button on the coin door or activating the coin relay , the credit relay or the reset relay in the cabinet.
It all goes fast but looks like both of those pull in at the same time and hold. And it looks like as it’s going into the 2nd ball?
Lol. I’m sorry i wish I could send a video of the relays. But as the diagram showed the ball index relay should be open once the outhole relay closes. But it actually closes milliseconds after the outhole relay closes. And they both stay closed thu end of game (10 seconds later )
It just constantly runs thru. Won’t stop.
I also per the diagram checked the the tilt relay does stay open
Just trying to give as much info as possible to get it back running
It has been perfect for almost a year. No issues. Then it started adding points when a flipper would be activated. Then it started this.
Sorry for the low knowledge. (Same as on the double barrel. ) I can get so far but these things stop me cold.
You da man!
https://ia800700.us.archive.org/10/items/hokuspocusmanual/Hokus_Pocus_Manual.pdf
Found this link from "Otaku", which is helping somewhat...even the "Sequence of Operation" is helpful. (for a newbie)
Your help Howard is amazing, thank you sir!
"6B SCM" - I'm taking it, from your notes and 1A of the S of Op (Page 3), this is the #6 Score Motor? Pardon the ineptness - where is this switch, and what does the "B" designate? Is this the long "thingy" with the rotating round plates with nodules on each plate? (Is #1 the closest to the coin door? Is "B" the bottom section...I'm guessing here) Sorry for all the dang questions..ugh
In reading S of Op Page 4, 1.B.d - I do see what you told me - the Outhole Relay should de-energize the Ball Index relay....so I will look at the switches noted in your last comment and report back
Again -can't thank you enough..I'm getting there!
Back on this one as I’m taking a little breather on the Double Barrel. (Couldn’t stop once I got started there).
But I’ve checked the 6BSCM and it’s matching the schematics I’m fact 5 of those 6 do. But I’m not sure if the Tilt Relay. This shows it should be open ? See photo below of both the outhole and the tilt relays
image (resized).jpgimage (resized).jpgChecked those as well the 10, 100, 1000 point relays all open. The 6BSCM as shown is per schematics (closed but opens when activated ) . Outhole and tilt relays as shown in the photos Both of these are in the open position (as in not pulled in) but the first switches on them looked closed Are those correct ?
And it seems as though it’s happening right at the start of the 2nd ball. As soon as the outhole activates the ball index pulls in. (Although there isn’t a ball in it, I took it out. it just goes thru the paces on its own)
I’ve put a piece of paper between the swtich contacts on the actual outhole switch. Even held it in hoping it would stop. But nothing. It just keeps rolling thru till ball 5.
I’m actually sitting in the Denver airport right now (love your state !). Heading to Cali for a work assignment but will be back on this by Saturday.
Just hoping it’s some really small item. Closed switch. Etc. for it to go from “ the always working machine “. to just start throwing points with the flippers then this, got to be??? Lol
Finally back home! And back with my babies (my granddaughters and pinball machines!). Lol
I had to jump on this one first. Thinking it may be easier. Ha!
I do notice I can hold the Ball Index Relay open and the game continues scoring and the Outhole relay stays in as in activated. So that is keeping the Ball index going.
Now to figure out why the Outhole Relay pulls in and stays. With no ball on the surface ? I’ve attached a photo of that switch. It’s open. I’ve even put a piece of paper between the blades while this happens. So there can’t be contact (unless somehow thru the small screws holding it together?)
I’ve also attached a photo of the other relays in the schematic to show they too are open.
Am I just not seeing something here?
image (resized).jpgimage (resized).jpgFurther checking I can hold the Outhole relay from pulling in and the game also continues scoring until I hit replay or close the Outhole relay manually. Then it goes back to finshing the 5 balls
Reading more from the manual on squemce of operation. (Pages 3 & 4) and photos attached
1B.a. This says the Bonus Score Relay is energized when a ball drops. When this machine goes thru this 5 ball self game issue - that relay does NOT move. At all. The bonus unit does. But not that relay.
1.B.d. Last line. When the outhole relay pulls in (energizes) - the Ball index does as well. And they both stay pulled in until ball 5
46AE5E18-4E2B-4442-A713-EE445038995E (resized).jpegCE45CB6C-EA49-41E0-B70C-A79077C4C16A (resized).jpegWell, almost 2 weeks past since my latest update on this one, so thought I'd reach back out. (Was able to get some of my other games going though, so I wasn't a sloth here! 6 out of 7 working now! )
When I stated this in my last posting:
"1.B.d. Last line. When the outhole relay pulls in (energizes) - the Ball index does as well. And they both stay pulled in until ball 5"
I do notice, the Ball Index Relay does very slightly move (quickly) at each ball end/start of the new one, so it does not "stay pulled in" as I said above.
On a good note, I contacted the person I purchased this one from (to get some help) and he has the exact same game, but actually better condition, and for a "small fee", he will trade me out, and I'll get the newer/working game. Actually I'd pay the small difference just for the better machine, but having this issue go away is icing on the cake.....BUT - I hate it when a game stumps me...so I was going to try to fix it before I take her back.
So if there are any ideas out there, mainly to save my own feeling of inadequacies in PB repair, please send away! lol
Thanks Rolf! Printed this out to try to work on this tonight. As it just started throwing points whenever I'd hit a flipper (either one), then literally the next day, this issue started, I'm hoping it's a simple switch/relay issue. With "HowardR"'s help I've verified the 10, 100 and 1000 point relays are open, the Outhole switch is open, but as soon as I hit the replay button - the game starts, runs thru 5 balls and scores itself 2,200 points - all with no ball in the game, and me touching nothing...all on it's own..
It does this all in about 10 seconds...I can & will check the Extra Ball relay and manually activate it and report back.
(Still working on my 1961 Double Barrel as well, just took a short break on it while I finish up a few other minor things I had planned. This HP, a couple of Flipper rebuilds, etc, so hoping to get back on that one this weekend. I would love to finally have all my games 100% working - at the same time..lol)
Ok. I start the game (with ball out). The extra ball relay isn’t automatically pulled in. The game runs thru the balls and adds some points on its own (usually 500 per ball, 200 last ball) if I manually pull the extra ball relay in, it does stay pulled in - the game continues running without stopping - and the light comes on in the head that reads “same player shoots again”. I have to manually push it back open - then it resumes until the 5th ball and ends
Yes. After the 5th ball it does go to game
Over.
I will cut the one leg on that wire for that relay and see what that does. I’ll report back
Getting ready to start all of this Rolf! Wish me luck. Lol. I have to ask - how do you even come up with these ideas to check things ? I’ll post back soon. Thanks !!!
Well that wasn’t too bad once I started.
All of that above I’ve done and is “true”. Except the “Outhole relay “ never quits pulling in. Until i power off
I’ve resoldered that wire back on the Ball Index Relay. (Let me know if I should leave that off).
I tried all of the above with it disconnected. Then reconnected. Same results. Just with it soldered it runs thru 5 imaginary balls and stops. With it off it stays on ball one and doesn’t stop
As more detail. When the game goes thru the 5 ball sequence. The outhole kicker activates each time. Whether I’m Holding down the switch or not.
I also notice each time right before the outhole kicker activates the relay on the coin door also activates. If that helps at all?
Rolf - another observation, I can manually keep the Outhole relay from activating. The ball index of course does not advance so it continues running and scoring on ball 1 until I release it.
With the Ball Index relay disconnected again the game continues to run. Score motor rolls. Each rotation gives 5 - 100 point scores and the Bonus Unit rotates once. But the Bonus Score Relay does pull in as it resets the score reels. Then it releases and stays out (sorry didn’t notice that earlier post)
image (resized).jpgTracing back further on the schematic and just to be sure here is a close up on 6BSCM. (Post #62 “HowardR” got me to that point as well Thanks again Howard).
But it’s closed (normallly, in the off cog position) and opens when the motor rotates into position Is this correct?
2312A4E4-5334-4224-A369-CF1AB2669CC2 (resized).png71B96D2D-337A-43EA-8664-D80F6669DDC6 (resized).jpegYes I checked both 6 & 8 SCM. I’ll look at those connections as suggested. But quick once over they look good on the score motor connections
When I unplug these in the lower cabinet and I hit the replay button it resets to zero and ball one and stops
Taking it this means it is in the playfield then?
I’ve gone over each and every swtich at least 4 times. Checking the wiring and connections as I go.
Could there be a short in one of these switch stacks? Like through the mounting screw?
image (resized).jpgQuoted from iamdrunker:I have a fully working Hokus Pokus if you need me to check on something. Be glad to do it.
Thanks for the offer from the sunshine state! Rolf and HowardR have been helping me tremendously. I just can’t find a stuck switch on this thing. Lol.
We’ve gone thru just about the full schematic I think.
Rolf is amazing (he’s helped me on a few now)
Had my basement finished so haven’t been able to work on my games for about a month or more. Just about complete. So ready to Get back on this one (and my 1961 Double Barrel ). I’ll post my findings and probably need to chat with Rolf several more times first. Lol. He’s been such a help !!!
Update! Finally. After all of this time and searching. I had my basement / game room finished. Then 2 knee surgeries so haven’t had time to work on my games.
But after a few more hours under the hood I found the damn culprit. It was the outside A lane switch (right above the top hat gate ). It was closed. Not the upper switch but the 2nd one on the stack. Looks like it was closed when the playfield was lowered over time
But finally she’s back! And the sounds. Like an old lost friend came home!
Thanks guys!
Case closed on this one!
You're currently viewing posts by Pinsider Nikrox2.
Click here to go back to viewing the entire thread.
Wanna join the discussion? Please sign in to reply to this topic.
Great to see you're enjoying Pinside! Did you know Pinside is able to run without any 3rd-party banners or ads, thanks to the support from our visitors? Please consider a donation to Pinside and get anext to your username to show for it! Or better yet, subscribe to Pinside+!
This page was printed from https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/hokus-pokus-help?tu=Nikrox2 and we tried optimising it for printing. Some page elements may have been deliberately hidden.
Scan the QR code on the left to jump to the URL this document was printed from.