Its hard to believe there is a market where people drop 9k on a pin without knowing any of the details and a seller shows a prototype a couple of months before the game is suppose to ship and still has "surprises" for folks spending 9k.

Well, in the markets you mentioned you can test drive/hear/see prior to purchase. With this pin its a big surprise.. Like the Smaug SE, they will sell as many as people want till Dec. 31 but all you get to play is a prototype. Of course those customers are just "clueless" and "naive"

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I think some folks including myself have a natural bias against a pinball machine that costs $8000+. Part of it is related to the fact that some can write a check for the full amount which creates envy and part of it feels like this encourages the NIB price point to continue to rise. This creates some anger which some folks put onto JJP/TH. I was quoted $4600 from a distributor for a NIB ST Pro in the Summer and a couple of weeks ago $4800. It seems like the entry level price for NIB will be >$5000 in 2015 and I'm not sure how that is good for pinball.

An "idea" whether its good or bad is for JJP to look at a Pro model for WOZ/TH with a price point of <$5000. In the meantime I will keep telling myself an <$5000 Stern Pro is more "fun" then a $8000+ TH even if im in denial.

Thats a fair comparison, 10 years ago and half the cost

The top right flipper is used to hit 5 drop targets that spell DWARF or can possibly hit some trolls?

i.e. The top right flipper offers no functionality that the bottom two flippers can't perform?

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I'm going to argue with you indefinitely on here till you say ST is the best and Im blue in the face.

I heard topper is a replacable hair spray bottle with a flint infront that simulates smaug fire breathing

April 1st i hear

Looks amazing, thanks for the pics!