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Quoted from Hazoff:100's of new posts and not one relates to actual updates for TH. In fact there is more talk of WOZ than TH.
Yea, but this is a great thread to come to for drama and debate!!!
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Quoted from Aurich:And? Who cares. Pick a better theme then. I'm tired of the excuses. No one put a gun to Jack's head and said "make a Hobbit pin". I love The Hobbit, but let's face it, the movies pale next to LOTR. The world would have gone on without a pin based on it, plastered with PR stills from the film and actor's faces.
As a theme for a pin it's a great idea! As a movie product it's okay. If they licensed the book instead, and did original art for it? Like Rankin Bass style? Or watercolor. Or whatever, but not photoshopped heads. Yeah, it won't have a big movie billboard on it. Tell me people wouldn't buy and play that still.
Whatever, I'm sure that wasn't an option, it's just an example, and it's too late now, I look forward to the completed project still. But companies, are you listening? F this studio promo PR photoshop shit. If your theme will require it, then stop, and pick another one. If you must do licenses, be imaginative, pick ones that will give you freedom to make something incredible. We'll buy it. Find partners who think the right way. Stern did it with Metallica, and it turned into IMHO one of the best games they've ever made.
While your post has merit consider this point: where would JJP have obtained his movie footage from the LCD screen had they licensed the books and not the movie?
I love hand drawn art, but we have to be reasonable in prioritizing what we want. Do we want HD movie clips or dots. I prefer LCD to DMD.
Quoted from jfh:Same place they will get it for Pat's game - original animation or video.
That is going to cost crazy money. Time will tell how it will be implemented in Pats game, we do not know enough at this point to really comment on that - it is just substituting unknowns in my view.
6 months later
Quoted from PinballRulez:From Jack from the JJP forum:
'We have two Hobbits heading to shows this weekend - I'll be in Michigan with one (MGC is the other show) - programming coming along - first articles and parts coming in - it's happening.'
Great news. I have not been following this thread recently but I'd like to get the game when made. Delays are never fun but they come hand and hand with manufacturing...sadly.
2 weeks later
Quoted from Plungemaster:Not really understand that anti china sentiment.
They stepped up massively. They have good and bad supliers, just like in the rest of the world.
They do have good suppliers, but they also have limited legal recourse as far as Americans are concerned.
Quoted from QuickSilverShelby:Didn't jack just allude to the fact that he's got the Star Wars Licence??? Isn't Star Wars the exact situation all over again, all three new movies not yet released and IP assets may not be available.
I don't get it
QSS
I'm sure if he has the license it would be for just the first movie, not the entire trilogy.
Quoted from PinPatch:Does anyone know if JJP will build these concurrently with WOZ or will they need to overhaul the one line. I think the success of WOZ is delaying the build start of the Hobbit.
I don't buy the bs that Jack cant afford to build the hobbit pins.
The animations must take ages more to program, design than a dot matrix display.
Machine looks great by the way.
I've heard they can be built concurrently. I do not believe they will be though. Jack has built a lot of WOZ's the past couple of years. How much more demand is there for WOZ at this moment?
1 month later
Quoted from eXidy:Pix I took at the Rocky Mountain Pinball Showdown
I will be all over this game when a distro I trust has one ready to ship. Instant order for me then, whenever it is.
2 weeks later
Quoted from KingPinGames:start a new thread guys. this is supposed to be for Hobbit updates.
Agreed. Please start a new thread in the off topic section about this car matter.
Quoted from Frax:Also, can one of the mods delete the linked games to this thread?
Yea, I will delete those when I'm reunited with a CPU if another mod doesn't see them and delete them first.
1 month later
Quoted from PinballRulez:I mean trust, that indeed has to be earned.
Not seeing that happen at the moment.
JJP had some start up pains, no doubt, pinball is hard.
The biggest problem JJP had with WOZ PR was how long it took to satisfy the preorders. They eventually delivered on every game and that was good, then TH got delayed seemingly indefinently. Now, TH would seem to be back on track and that is great.
I've long said I'm a buyer for TH once it is available at a distributor I trust for instant delivery. I look forward to the game.
Quoted from RTS:He did say they were contractually obligated to ship when the third movie came out.
People expected that to happen. It didn't. More delays followed. Hence, frustration.
This is true and was never really explained by anyone (and it did give a lot of people ammo to say "I told you so", which is never good), but a lot more people than just Jack said this, many of the people that work for him trumpeted this as well.
Doesn't really bother me, perhaps it was true but delays with the studio approving use of assets or something resulted in an extension. Perhaps the requirement was just to have a demo done or something less than shipping games to customers. I just don't know, never saw the contract.
3 weeks later
Quoted from iceman44:But seriously, Stern is gonna upstage TH with GOT and snipe away tons of current and future sales.
Only if it has the LCD display. Absent the LCD display I don't think GoT will have that big of impact on TH.
If GoT is LCD and beats TH to market...
Quoted from GravitaR:Nice to see the off-topic forum is doing well.
JJP could have filled this thread with news and buzz had this past weekend been what we were lead to believe it might be.
Regarding the discussion of Stern's LCD display as it relates to the Hobbit, I personally don't feel it's off topic. Stern's employees have been hinting that GoT is going to surpass the Hobbit and have this massive BOM with a dragon ball lock and what not...now we hear that GoT might not have an LCD display like the Hobbit will...
Directly relevant? Nope. Ballpark relevant? In lack of other news I'd say it's certainly ballpark relevant. Similar themes. Supposed to have a similar release date (though now it seems GoT will beat it to market). Similar price points. Rival development teams.
The lack of an LCD display will mean GoT is less likely to poach customers off the NIB market from TH.
Quoted from GravitaR:Nice to know a mod team member views the lack of on topic material the right to post anything they want anywhere despite the thread subject.
Read my post again. I think it's related topic. My opinion. Sorry you don't share it.
2 months later
Well if the rumor of tomorrow is true that is the best pinball news I've heard in awhile. I guess we will know tomorrow.
Quoted from Pinballs:I pre-ordered 8 pins, 8 I tells ya. Never again!
WOZ
Hobbit
MG
RAZA
Predator
P3
Nemo
MM-R
My success rate on these to date (1 of 8 received, 3 of 8 court cases, 4 of 8 nearly there, honest) has been somewhat less high than I would have liked. On the plus side, Nemo (with gold plating!) should be completed by end-Nov, and I may get it by Xmas, assuming islamic bandits don't get to it first I also got into collecting jukeboxes while waiting for these pins, which has been fun. One of these jukes was used in a West End show recently in which Ben Whishaw (who plays Q) was stripped down to his underpants and got tied to it, but I digress. That's Ben for you.
More seriously, making new pins is a slow and painful business. I certainly wouldn't contemplate such an endeavour.
Yep, I'm drunk in the jacuzzi again. Soz.
That's a very interesting post (and I mean about the success to lawsuit comparison, not Ben Whishaw being tied naked to your juke box)! 
I preordered just Predator so my success rate is 0-1. I'm going to get on the P3 bandwagon though when it is ready.
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