Between the wishful thinkers and the negative Nancys, it will come between now and never.

Why exactly do you feel entitled to tell others to STFU? I, too, am interested in this game and its release. I'm not your wife, so don't tell me to STFU.

The release date is critical because I have an open location where the owner is wanting this pin and doesn't want a WOZ because the theme is SO FUCKING LAME! So the release date not only impacts my income, but also my capital plans and cash flows. So what I'm saying to be clear is you should be the one STFU'ing.

"2- Parts are arriving daily and some are being rejected for QC issues even though they were made "correctly""

This is a giant red flag. No time has been saved by the "measure 3 time, cut once" theory. Especially after admitting that JJP ate the bad parts on WOZ.

"1- We are actually verifying with each Vendor that they can make First Article Parts - that is a sample of the actual part that we need that matches a PO and a latest revision drawing. Now some of the Vendors have issues with this as they just want to "Run" 1000+ of something - when some of them did that with WOZ - the parts were wrong, costing us tens of thousands of dollars and many weeks of delay and rework….not doing it this time - we are taking longer to measure three times and cut once."

Does this mean that they are actually paying engineers to create buildable specifications? Or is JJP trying to find vendors that will do their engineering for the sake of getting the production runs? I have no idea what goes on at JJP, but when the customer eats the cost of errant part runs, that suggests in-house engineering failures.

I can understand why vendors don't want to do one-offs. It really doesn't provide any value when the production process is completely different than the first article prototypes (when there is a lack of engineering). After all, high quality engineering specifications results in parts that are independent of process and shifts the liability of non-conformance to the vendor. Admittedly this was not the case for WOZ.

I'm guessing it's a cash flow problem.

At least my guess is based on rumor and evidence. What's your's based on? Wishful thinking and the words of a proven liar?

I have nothing against Jack, but he has repeatedly been proven to be a liar and that is one description he will never shake. But don't worry. He's in good company.

I'm not a JJP troll. I'm glad and thankful for WOZ, but certainly you can't say that Jack was making "honest" mistakes while stringing along his pre-buyer investors. But some people prefer to be lied to and believe whatever makes them feel good. If that's you, good on 'ya. Me? I prefer truth... not the middle truth as we recently heard another confirmed liar say, but simply the truth.

But you're not the first one to dislike my comments. I was piled on in the Skit-B threads when I called out that deadbeat and the same was true for J-Pop. In both those cases it took several months for all the true believers to join my camp.... but join, they did.

http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-official-pinside-skit-b-predator-discussion?tq&tu=SadSack

http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/jpop-update-thread%E2%80%A6%E2%80%A6%E2%80%A6%E2%80%A6%E2%80%A6mg-raza-and-aiw%E2%80%A6?tq&tu=SadSack

There is a reason the smartest guys in the room are hated. And look how people in this very thread are saying it's fine to be lied to if it strengthens JJP. Battered spouse syndrome much?

Liars lie when the truth would serve. I've known many successful people that lie so often they don't even know they are doing it. They are welcome to do it.. just as I am welcome to call them out for doing it.

I never prepaid for a game, so I guess that puts me above quite a few of the guys around here. And my pinball company is coming along quite nicely, thank you.

Would you expect any different when dealing with amoral Commies? Anyone who gets in bed with those butchers deserves to be reamed. When I buy trash off aliexpress or ebay from China, I expect to throw it in the garbage. There is a reason the USA has lost its critical manufacturing base: It's because greedy business owners will accept trash built by child slaves to save a nickel. You reap what you sow. Globalists suck!

Look how people still like you after you cost them thousands by lying as Kevin's unknowing agent.

I admire your child-like nature of seeing things in black and white dichotomies.

It's called cash flow. Why would JJP service old money when they can grab fresh cash? Isn't that exactly what they did with WOZ?

Hence the risk of the pre-sale model. Not only is it a giant risk for the buyer, but also the seller.

Number 1, it's embarrassing for a business man (especially with a successful product) to admit he (or his company) is broke.

Number 2, If he is broke before producing the first of a prepaid game run, he would be admitting that his business has already failed.

I'm reminded of the company HearMe back in 1998. I loved the product and bought some shares. Just before they stopped trading, I ordered the actual stock certificate so I could frame it and never forget that the product doesn't make the business. I still have that nice reminder of my ignorance and stupid investment. Although JJP's product is much more tangible, without the numbers, we don't know anything about the business. In my opinion, the business is suffering the risk of the pre-paid model which to me is like a great big loan you can never pay down. The delay of the Hobbit has nothing to do with parts or designs. It has to do with cash flow. Hobbit will not start until orders for WOZ slow down. There is no way JJP can shut down the flow of new money while building hundreds of machines that were paid for years ago. That money left the station long ago.

So you believe that producing several hundred prepaid machines will help cash flow. Please elaborate as your logic escapes me.

I also didn't realize that JJP has been producing to inventory. What is your evidence for this claim?

Yes and Kevin Kulek said refunds would come in days, not weeks. It's just a way to tell a "middle truth".. or a "lie" as middle truths are more accurately described. I've outright called Jack a liar several times in this thread, but I do respect the fact that his lies may be a necessary component for the success of his business model. I'd expect the Hobbit to start production around the time the WOZ market is completely saturated and not a moment sooner.

I'm not sure that JJP has demonstrated solvency yet. I hope they continue on as a going concern, but the pre-order model could be what breaks their back. It will be interesting when all the new Hobbit orders push the prepays back to the end of the line again. Will you still consider that "putting the client first"?

BTW a client loses to bottom line producers because business has to survive beyond its initial growth which is still questionable in case of JJP. Between lawsuits, cash flows due to prepayments, I wouldn't like to be in Jacks shoes until the Hobbit preorders are shipped and the whole prepay nonsense has disappeared.

As long as the market continues to absorb all the WOZ production, Hobbit will be delayed for any and all reasons. As soon as the sales of WOZ falls off, all those excuses will magically become moot. It's expensive to convert or start a line to build prepaid machines.

But thanks for your patronage, pre-buyers!

It seems like there may be a giant mea culpa coming from JJP soon. Is it too late to bail on your deposit or do you just need to find the greater fool? At any rate, JJP had better get busy or some of you will be looking for New Jersey Nathan before you know it.

Does anyone know the current state of WOZ sales? That will be your cue if or when Hobbit will hit the line. It's pretty obvious you can't believe anything from the horse's mouth.

Hey, Ted, you can downvote me all you like, but maybe Jack is just needing a stern talking to.. like you did to Kevin. How'd that one work out for everyone?

I could surely say the same, Enabler... but I won't because it's not my style to try to champion any popular and criticize any unpopular opinions that come down the pike.

This post is total BS. I don't know if it's projection or what the problem is with people who call anyone who is not a cheerleader a hater. I bet there is not one in a thousand on this board that is hoping for JJP's demise. Yet still we have to put up with all these straw man arguments that we all want JJP to close up shop.

Here is some truth that you sychophants seem to be unable to understand. People don't like being lied to. People don't like being strung along by liars. People don't like when they are shit on after giving the shitter their money. Jersey Jack basically shit on all his customers by telling the JPOP victims that they "got what they paid for." Perhaps he was setting up for his own MAJOR FAIL announcement. Perhaps he was just sad and lashing out because he has been outed as a chronic bullshitter who can't live up to his promises. Perhaps Jack is just a dick.

I have said a couple of times that if JJ wasn't exactly how he is, WOZ may have never made it to market. Am I a hater, too?

"Hater" is just a pejorative that people who actually hate like to project onto others so they don't have to acknowledge their own psychological weakness and inability to state an objection in any meaningful way.

Don't worry, the Hobbit pre-orders will be behind any new cash orders. The cash flow problems at JJP are obvious.

Yes, $250-300k revenue per day makes stern amateur in the world of pinball pre-order bankruptcies and multi-year delays. They really are nothing to model.

The only guy local to me who has taken delivery of a WOZ is a non-operator who never even heard of pinside.

Why do you think the first made TH's will be for people who prepaid?

I think you have JJ confused for KK.

It's vaporware until it isn't and you guys with pre-order ants in your pants not only deserve your disappointment, but you are 100% responsible for the perpetual delays. After all, you provided the cash flow that allows JJP to run wild with excuses while dowsing the fire that rightfully belongs under Jack's ass.

BTW, I'm looking at buying a HUO WOZ for 5 grand locally and the guy is begging so hard that I think I can get it for 4 right after Christmas if I am as patient as you pre-buyers (or unsecured VC's as the case seems to be).

And if it was a 100% cgi cartoon, you may have even liked it better. But for many of us, special effects are icing on dessert and not really that important in a well written and acted movie.

I know of at least two times I have seen almost this exact quote in the recent past.

We know demand is at least 1000+ machines so unless demand for WOZ falls to near 0, a second line would seem more than warranted. The part of the "plan" you are ignoring is the cash flow surplus and shortfall caused by the pre-order model... This is not "smart business" by any stretch of the term. It's a lot more like gambling with your customer's money ala Jon Corzine (MF Global).

You sound like a very effective executive. "Ignore the obvious so we can move forward in optimism."

Maybe you are just reminiscing about McMahon and "the fridge".

What does it mean when a business practicing the pre-pay model is under a cash crunch before the first machine rolls off the line? The first thousand machines are paid for and there isn't money to pay vendors? Just think about that for a moment and realize how bad things really must be in Joisey.

I'm looking forward to seeing how you all get service and repair parts after jjp goes down. At that point, I'm expecting the prices to plummet on your oversized doorstops. Until then, I congratulate those of you who have the foresight and fortitude to stick out the delays and outright lies to get these highly coveted pieces.

Try to find parts from Jack's last failed venture - Parker Bohn shuffle alley.

I'm actually saddened by the idea that the joke and your response did not go over my head.

You keep telling yourself that, fanboi. Maybe the prices will fall in line once you and your brethren are done giving JJP exactly as much money as you can. Until then, I'm pretty sure the price reflects a desire for profit and the deliveries indicate a greater need for cash than the happiness of pinball enthusiasts.

The clowns with "inside information" are always the ones to take the best **FEEDBACK**.

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I can't remember the last time I looked at the side of a cabinet while playing a great game of pinball. Isn't the game expensive enough without adding things no one will ever even recognize? Maybe you should just staple a bunch of c-notes around the playfied to show off. Seems like a much better value and easier to remonetize (as opposed to all the mods that make people want to pay less for the game).

And the glass is off..