sucked for me, was on 2 ball play, my first ball was an instant drain and there was no ball save timer. I understand wanting to keep the players moving along so 2 ball is ok, but to not have a ball save timer after waiting 30 minutes was disappointing. So I played one ball. Waited again and this time tilted on second ball after 10 seconds there was no tilt warning, just one tilt and you're gone.

Loved the animations, not sure on the game play. I mean I had a whopping 90 seconds on two games (2 balls) one was an instant drain and one was a tilt in the first 10 seconds.

I will say no one else was tilting so it couldn't have been super sensitive, but no warning is BS because how are you going to know what's a nudge and what's a tilt? IMO my tilt was very more of a nudge, not super aggressive at all.

Not sure I see the reason for the upper flipper, it would have been nice for there to be a shot that could only be hit from the upper flipper (a ramp ideally).

I'm sure, all games have that, I was saying that it's set up for no warning, but disappointed that I waited 20 minutes two times and got to play only 2 balls (one ball on each game)

It's a great looking game.

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IMO you hit the nail on the head with TOTAN, it's like the Anna Kournikova of pins, nice to look at but it's not a winner (IMO). There are a few suspect top10 pins, but TOTAN in the number one offender. I owned Totan, I know Totan and when it comes to playing I'd take Tron or IM every day and twice on sunday.

I feel Tron (and to an lesser extent) IM are somewhat under rated, how Tron is out of the top 20 is beyond me.

I see your point, maybe should have said the Tiger Woods of pins, got the name recognition but should be a better player. (IMO of course).

this thread reminds me of this song:

So you probably think Nirvana or The Doors are 'bad' mucisians as well. Sometimes it's not about how great you can play, but about how good the lyrics, emotion, reality of the music is.

Since your a musician, that makes you an expert on what is good or not good and that other non musicians do not have any idea if something is good or not.

Back to The Hobbit, I've not kept up on the many thousands of posts, what's the delay wasn't it due out a full year ago?

While I don't expect JJP to go under, It would be nice to know why these pins are not shipping. With Kevin and Jpop they always had some excuse for the delay until the other shoe dropped.

I am quite fed up with Stern, lack of effort really to me. Stern is getting by with shipping games, but the lack of innovation and ruining of themes is wearing thin.

Now the other side of the coin is that JJP needs to start shipping more pins more often. IMO

We're almost at 3 years since the announcement of TH that was a month after Full Throttle was announced. Stern has released 8 new pins in the time since TH was anounced. Avengers, Metallica, ST, Mustang, TWD, WWE, Kiss, GOT.

I'm sure it's worth the wait and all, but I'm surely glad I didn't pre-order and instead bought STLE and IMVE, the sad thing is some people who have this on order may still be waiting this time next year.

Stern does have some duds, but I can't imagine what I'd be thinking if I had put down money 3 years ago and still no pin. It'd be possible that Stern will deliver the next pin or two before some pre-orders get their Hobbit.

I'd hope Jack doesn't do anything in poor taste like selling standard editions to walk in customers while pre-orders are still waiting for their games, but that'd never happen with a classy guy like Jack.

I'm tempted.