The Hobbit
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Really nice! 
I have zero doubt TH will be a great pin. Will it be ready exactly on time? Who knows, but I am confident it will be a smoother ride than for the WoZ preorders.
Congrats to those who with faith and $$ who already preordered...
Quoted from Propaganda:Probably the most negative post EVER
I don't read RobT's post as negative. Tend to agree with this comment that not much may be learnt from this whitewood videos. I am not sure JJP should have released them. Assuming I was considering ordering the Hobbit, I do not see how these videos would convince me. Not saying the final product will be bad - it may be awesome -.
Quoted from solarvalue:I think these will be just fine in light of the following:
- we are looking at them in isolation, close up, from one photograph, taken at one angle, and not in the game
This.
That's the drawback of revealing small things, one at a time. Waiting to see how it looks on a populated PF.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:I hear ya. In my opinion stop and go games like WOZ can be just as fun as the fastest games out there.
+1
I have no horse in that game, and in JJP in general, but as of today I would choose WOZ over the Hobbit without hesitation. I played WoZ and liked it. I will try to buy one later.
I have not seen enough from the Hobbit to be convinced. Open PF with Trolls, multiple drop targets and a central double ramp: seems like mixing WPT, Fish tales and MM. And you would have a hard time convincing me a widebody format is required there. I tried to love the gameplay from the latest video but simply could not. But there is hope as code can be (should be) great, artwork has already been improved...
Quoted from RobT:That was the least fun pin that I have played in a very long time. The layout is terrible. The ball exiting the pops caused a SDTM drain about a third of the time. The prison magnet is stupid. I got several SDTM drains from the magnet releasing the ball. Ball is in the pops far too much. Theme implementation is absolutely horrible.
(talking about TWD again, sorry for hijacking that thread).
Good to know I am not alone: I had the exact same impression. I put some games on it, and had the same issues. Finally walked away to play Mustang and Star trek which were far more fun.
This game will need some adjustments to become enjoyable (not talking about code). My trouble is that no Op around will perform them... So most games on location will remain bad.
Quoted from Pinchroma:Iron pyrite base
Stop killing the Poetry with technical terms 
You won't see many customer askin for an Iron Pyrite finish... Still gold to us. Fool's gold may be, but Gold nevertheless...
JJP: I am impressed. Congrats for reacting so fast to harsh criticism. With good (perhaps great - can't tell until I see it for real) artwork and Keefer on board, this game could be (will be) great.
Quoted from MrBally:Since JJP did not meet their "contractual obligation"; I wonder what the penalty is?
$1?
I would not be surprised if that "obligation" was actually suggested by JJP. Remember back then the delays with WoZ. How could you convince potential buyers who could pre-order the Hobbit that this would not happen again?
Contractual obligation.
Quoted from lowepg:Watching this game progress makes me REALLY wish JJP was making Game of Thrones
I love GoT but I don't want to pay 10,000 euros for it. This is where JJP prices are heading here (incl. sales tax) with the $/€ exchange rate.
Quoted from juanton:But the constant whining about delivery reminds me of "Are we there yet?" coming from the backseat.
Except those kids in the back paid $7-9k for the ride and Dad told them they would be there in Summer 2014 then December 2014 "per license agreement".
Quoted from pinball_keefer:Besides, IMNSHO, having per-game tilt warnings is WAY more strategic than per-ball, because you really REALLY have to think about when it's most advantageous to use them.
Totally agree. But I might be in the minority - I suggested that to friends during a tourney and they thought I was mad.
Quoted from ozno:I like the way Jack is straightforward and says what he thinks.
Funny how despite Jack's record of failed deadlines and false claims "will be released with the third movie by contractual obligation" (and that's only one example...remember WoZ as well? First to pay get their games first?) people still say that.
Quoted from fatality83:what did he say, can you link it? don't want to read through a million posts to find it in the Jpop thread
Quoted from PanzerFreak:How GOT could be a big risk to The Hobbit in my opinion
You forgot:
- Price. No equivalent of pro version of the Hobbit
- Cash and Carry. You like it, you pay it... you get it
- Still current. Hobbit is history now, and those are movies that fade fast. Not that the Hobbit movies are very bad, but they are simply not of LOTR caliber.
Aliens could well become a major competitor too. Full Throttle seems to receive a positive feedback (I loved it when I played it). Now includes a killer theme, the option to swap games... and those are widebodies like TH.
Quoted from cait001:It is an eye-opening reminder to remember that the biggest manufacturer of a desired product can hit only 50 units per day.
Well, assuming over 200 working days per year, that's would still be over 10,000. I doubt Stern is producing that much.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:I would only compare Heighway's LE's to WOZ or The Hobbit and Full Throttle LE is $8k plus shipping...I paid less then that for my WOZ ECLE and will do the same for my Hobbit SE / LE. Full Throttle looks cool but I can't see spending anywhere near $8k on it with what you get with WOZ and TH for the same price or less. I cannot justify the price Heighway is charging for their games and it's mainly due to a lack of mechanical features on the playfield for me and not being a fan of the backbox design. I hope Alien is different and has more interactive features on the playfield. I wish Heighway the best.
Unfair comparison.
FT is US $6,150 for you. As compared to $8k for TH. (standards).
Then if you buy Aliens as a kit, it will be 60% of $6,300.
Half of JJP#3...
Quoted from PanzerFreak:Still, he shouldn't complain about the over negativity but rather just ignore it. Ignorning what the trolls say is how you beat them in the end.
Thumb up for your post because that's the way Jack (or anyone in the pin industry) should react. Not meaning I support all of Jack's posts!
Quoted from CaptainNavidad:Are you honestly making an apples-to-apples comparison between FT and TH?
Why not compare these two?
Sincere question - no hidden agenda, not preordering one (yet). Both widebodies with LCD display.
TH vs Alien(s) could be a better comparison as both are movie licenses but I have not seen/played Aliens yet.
I prefer TH for its theme and art, but FT for its shot map...and price (seen from Europe). Fastest widebody I ever played. No doubt TH code will be great, unsure if it can make it a great game.
Quoted from beelzeboob:Don't believe it, Trekkie. Ted is one of those creepy horror-movie-director guys who lives alone in a small, one-bedroom apartment cluttered to the rafters with hoarded Elvira dolls and running rampant with about 25 smelly cats. Don't let the Hawaiian shirts fool you.
Nominated for Post of the Year.
Quoted from beelzeboob:I had Chris put a glory hole just below my start button. Gives a whole new meaning to "super ball."
Guess who is lurking on the other side of that hole? Your pick...
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