Water? In a machine with all sorts of electrical circuits?

No thanks.

That really depends on when the have access to the assets from the third movie. They have to have time to update graphics, art, video and game play to incorporate stuff from the last movie in the trilogy.

I'd love to have the option to pause a game and/or save/restart a game. Doesn't mean I'd use it very often, but it would be nice.

I was thinking that the U center ramp may end up being Smaug's mouth.

Whoa!! If true, then this is some major news.

Can anyone confirm/deny?

Way too much worry about the detail on these. They aren't perfect, but seem fine to me.

I'm going to be bashing them with a pinball, not admiring them as if they are priceless works of art.

Same place they will get it for Pat's game - original animation or video.

Someone had too much coffee this morning.

What is the current payment schedule for the Hobbit? I think the last payment was originally due in July - when is it due now?

Remote controlled fire hose to extinguish flames from Smaug or to target players critical of JJP?

I think I read that somewhere. Or you can at least get a red Smaug and swap it out. If I still had my preorder, that's what I was going to do.

I agree with you - too much gold.

3Q? Aaaauuuugggghhhh!!!

I was hoping for 2Q, maybe even the end of 1Q. Expecting a standard body game, so hope that keeps the costs down somewhat, though I will be prepared to pay a premium if Pat has some cool toys and great original theme/art/sound (which I expect).

But it's just cruel to make me wait until 3Q.

Missed that. Thanks.

Bummer. That area just looks unfinished and a downgrade from the original without the barrel caps.

However, a significant improvement overall from what we saw at Expo.

Except that Pat's game isn't likely to take sales away from The Hobbit at this point. It's more likely that people waiting for his game will purchase another title instead if we go too much longer without any info.

I'm certainly hoping for a home run, but a little concerned that without some early info and opportunities for comments/improvements like we saw with TH that we may get a ground rule double instead.

Sadly, slow. Much slower than I expected. Maybe the flipper power was a bit low.

Good first impression overall though. The game will do well on location.

I got the impression at the JJP TPF talk that we won't see WiFi use until game 3 (and that it might be available as an update to WOZ/TH).

Umm, no. Especially the "or 2" part.

The reveal, not production.

We will know about it late summer, play it at Expo and buy it in 1Q16.

Jack has said many times that there can be two games in production concurrently. Presumably WOZ and Hobbit will be built side by side. No reason Hobbit and Pat's game won't be either.

I thought it was slow at TPF, but I also don't think the game was leveled like I would have it at home either.

Looks like the ramps are still harder to make then they should be. How did those shots feel like when playing?

Email Jen with your order info and she will give you access to the JJP group.

TH is much improved since the version shown at TPF. Jack said the code is about 70% done.

Game is set on 2 ball play, but enough to get a good feel for the game. If you like the theme, you will like the game. Music and video are awesome. I'm not a good enough player to comment on game play, but there was a whole lot more to do and I could actually make the ramps shots.

Yes. Very cool.

Big setback for JJP if Pat's game is NOT revealed at Expo.

The theme and style differences between TH and PLJJP are going to be enough that few are going to drop TH to go in on Pat's game instead, so there's really no reason to hold off the reveal. If JJP can show a game that's pretty much ready to go right after Hobbit, that's going to quiet the naysayers.

The reveal was supposed to be late summer, then Expo. Pushing it out further doesn't do anything but give people a reason to push the "sky is falling at JJP" agenda.

It appears you have seen far fewer posts than I have ...

Comparing Stern to JJP in this case is what's dumb. No one is questioning Stern's survival. There is absolutely no concern that Stern won't have games after GoT. Stern's model works and works well.

If revealing details on Pat's game hurts Hobbit sales, all that says that Hobbit buyers are super fickle. One of the key pillars of my argument is that I really don't think there is much overlap between the potential buyers of TH and those of PLJJP. If the majority of the market is thinking TH OR PLJJP, then it doesn't make sense.

But I think it's far more important for JJP to demonstrate that the WOZ and Hobbit delays are behind them and will be the exception, not the rule.

I certainly don't advocate announcing details on Pat's game before an update on Hobbit. But if Hobbit is in production (or about to be) around Expo, no reason not to show Pat's game.

So then you don't think JJP should release any details on Pat's game until 800 or 900 Hobbits have shipped?