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Very exciting whitewoods. This is a very different game from WOZ. That should mean they will pair up well in a collection.
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Jersey Jack, 2016
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Quoted from HENSBROOKER:Yepz... hope they don't make it in the final version!
How about the scoring? Isn't it a bit lame to have such a low scoring increments?
Yes, when you bust your ass playing for 5 minutes, who wants to look up and see... Oh I got 13 points.
The upswing to this is, when you beat your wife, she might not feel as bad only loosing by 5 points.
Smørum
I like the low scoring. Maybe it's a bit too scaled back, but I liked the low scoring in general. More like in Whirlwind and similar, where getting a shot worth a MILLION was an accomplishment. Makes it so much more awesome... The too high scoring values, combined with low jackpot values makes for lame jackpots.. Sorta.
Quoted from DarkWizard:The upswing to this is, when you beat your wife
You're a stand up guy to be sure, but man... sometimes things just come out wrong on the internet 
Quoted from S37VEN:It's really nice to see some flow! What do the upper flippers shoot at?
Not sure, this is a common comment on most of the hobbit info released, but I am sure it will be figured out soon enough.
Quoted from FrederikFrost:I like the low scoring. Maybe it's a bit too scaled back, but I liked the low scoring in general. More like in Whirlwind and similar, where getting a shot worth a MILLION was an accomplishment. Makes it so much more awesome... The too high scoring values, combined with low jackpot values makes for lame jackpots.. Sorta.
Yeah Whirlwind scoring that's fine, but this is super low. The guy got 759 points on one entire ball and was playing for over a minute. WW gives you more than that for hitting one bumper.
Quoted from chadderack:You're a stand up guy to be sure, but man... sometimes things just come out wrong on the internet
Doh!
Quoted from mummite:Not sure, this is a common comment on most of the hobbit info released, but I am sure it will be figured out soon enough.
I mean there HAS to be something that can either only be hit by the upper flippers or something that is much easier to hit with the upper rather than lower flippers -- most likely the latter.
Quoted from DarkWizard:Yeah Whirlwind scoring that's fine, but this is super low. The guy got 759 points on one entire ball and was playing for over a minute. WW gives you more than that for hitting one bumper.
I agree. I like how they scaled it back, but they went too far.
Quoted from DarkWizard:Yeah Whirlwind scoring that's fine, but this is super low. The guy got 759 points on one entire ball and was playing for over a minute. WW gives you more than that for hitting one bumper.
You realize that this is a whitewood with like, basically no code to it, right?
--Luke
Quoted from HighNoon:You realize that this is a whitewood with like, basically no code to it, right?
--Luke
YEah, but looking at WoZ it sorta similar in simplicity, and it's a bit too simple! As long as its "just a whitwood with no code" we have a chance of being heard! 
Quoted from FrederikFrost:I agree. I like how they scaled it back, but they went too far.
I think they scaled back a little too much on the artwork too. No way I'm getting the game now with it looking like that.
Quoted from HENSBROOKER:Yepz... hope they don't make it in the final version!
How about the scoring? Isn't it a bit lame to have such a low scoring increments?
This is why all pinball companies hate releasing work in progress stuff. This is a whitewood...don't look at the scoring lol....if the numbers move it's pretty much just to indicate the ball touched something.
Quoted from Rarehero:This is why all pinball companies hate releasing work in progress stuff. This is a whitewood...don't look at the scoring lol....if the numbers move it's pretty much just to indicate the ball touched something.
Can we quote you when its done and the scoring is still super low ? 
I understand its a work in progress, but there is a precident for low scoring in WOZ that kind of makes it feasable that its not going to change except for hitting some targets that might not be there yet.
It's all good either way, just stating a preference.
The ramps look really cool. Likely the diverter can make the ramps go to the inner dueling ramp based on extra buttons next to the flipper buttons similar to TS.
It will be interesting to see how the upper flippers are needed in gameplay as I am sure they have a specific purpose.
Quoted from DarkWizard:Can we quote you when its done and the scoring is still super low ?
I understand its a work in progress, but there is a precident for low scoring in WOZ that kind of makes it feasable that its not going to change except for hitting some targets that might not be there yet.
It's all good either way, just stating a preference.
I dunno - after watching this whitewood I had a ton of questions/criticisms...but I'm just kinda sitting on it since it's clearly just an early shooting whitewood with most features "temp'd" in. Cool to see...but not sure I can judge what's to come by seeing it.
Quoted from Rarehero:I dunno - after watching this whitewood I had a ton of questions/criticisms...but I'm just kinda sitting on it since it's clearly just an early shooting whitewood with most features "temp'd" in. Cool to see...but not sure I can judge what's to come by seeing it.
Funny, my reaction was virtually identical. Plenty to criticize but things will obviously change a lot, so there's not much reason to comment about the pin.
I personally don't think that there is much positive to come out of JJP posting these whitewood videos.
Breda, Holland
Quoted from Plungemaster:Fish Tales u ramp. Mm trolls. Lotr rails.
Don't forget WOZ bumpers...
Quoted from RobT:I personally don't think that there is much positive to come out of JJP posting these whitewood videos.
Although I like seeing the videos, I think it would have been better to keep the game under wraps until it was complete. People just don't seem to get that it is a work in progress.
Quoted from Plungemaster:Fish Tales u ramp. Mm trolls. Lotr rails.
I was like "It's the Fish Tales ramp but something's off...the ball keeps going to the same flipper that shot it" ...looked at a Fish Tales pic - "Oh! It doesn't have the cross-over wireforms for the Figure-8 effect"
...but I think there's a diverter there, right? So, it could go to the upper flipper...I think?
I dunno.
Really trying to figure out the point of the upper flippers....but again - whitewood...let's see where this goes.
And the drop target/stand up/spinners dual action targets have not been revealed, dual action smaug toy.
As well as the 2 lower pop ups. They could be Trolls or like in TOM they could be cave entrances
Flipper buttons like SWEP1/RFM with dual action buttons to control ramp diverters. This is gonna be a blast !
Remember the WOZ updates where they would move the proto to a different corner of the building & call it an update? This seems like video of them playing the game in the same status it was in at the last update.
Not much to see. I look FW to some meat/taters updates however.
Quoted from mummite:what are the details are these target banks?
They can't disclose that at this time.
Quoted from RobT:I personally don't think that there is much positive to come out of JJP posting these whitewood videos.
Probably the most negative post EVER.
Quoted from Propaganda:Probably the most negative post EVER.
Says the biggest troll on Pinside EVER.
Quoted from Propaganda:Probably the most negative post EVER.
Nowhere close.
Read pinside much the last 6 months?
Alzheimer's maybe?
Did you ever realize that every time you use the 
It spells RobT roll?
Funny how things work out huh?
Villejuif
Quoted from Propaganda:Probably the most negative post EVER
I don't read RobT's post as negative. Tend to agree with this comment that not much may be learnt from this whitewood videos. I am not sure JJP should have released them. Assuming I was considering ordering the Hobbit, I do not see how these videos would convince me. Not saying the final product will be bad - it may be awesome -.
anything been mentioned about voice/callouts? anyone 'significant' doing 'em.
if it was mentioned earlier, or another thread, apologies.
Melbourne
Quoted from PinPatch:Mentioned in Hobbit Video thread but anyone else notice that the purple targets in front of Smaug area appear to be in a slot. I'm guessing that the target will slide to left in front of VUK to enable strikes on Smaug.
Thanks for pointing that out
Quoted from B9:Anyone think there will be targets on the back side of the pop-up trolls?
For sure. Either that or a rear accessible scoop (that sounds so wrong) would be cool.
Looking at the ramp horseshoe diverter and the fact that the ramp entrances (exits) point directly to the back of the pop-ups, I would guess there is something to hit behind them.
Since there has been a lot of talk / speculation that there is going to be under playfield subways, it would be pretty cool if the trolls were really scoops you could only access by hitting the ramp and activating the diverter.
Quoted from retired_user_101:how about alternating 'troll' or 'scoop'. the part switches out prior to trapdoor lifting up
Or maybe once up the popup could spin to show a 'scoop' or a troll ???
Quoted from HENSBROOKER:Sounds cool, but would not fit in the assembly as showed in the whitewood...
No worries......it is just a very very early produced whitewood
Quoted from Cheeks:rear accessible scoop
I'm coining the term "JJP Pooper Scooper" right now. Just for the record.
Sliding standups? That ain't innovation if true. EM's did that back in the 60's, man. But it would be cool to see them make a return.
Quoted from Frax:I'm coining the term "JJP Pooper Scooper" right now. Just for the record.
Sliding standups? That ain't innovation if true. EM's did that back in the 60's, man. But it would be cool to see them make a return.
Isn't the goalie in WCS94 a sliding standup?
It's a cool feature. Sliding drop targets might be impossible, but that would be insane 
Quoted from chadderack:Isn't the goalie in WCS94 a sliding standup?
It's a cool feature. Sliding drop targets might be impossible, but that would be insane
I think it could be done but you need the space above and below for both the bracket and target to move.
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