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Hobbit Update


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#6251 4 years ago
Quoted from wtatumjr:

This is my main complaint with JJP - they are very closed mouth. The wait wouldn't be so quite bad if they'd give a progress report every week or so.

well yeah its not too much to ask really. give your loyal /and patient customers something back.

EDIT: what are reasons, people are preferring the smaug SE over the LE ? i mean... im not seeing it.
unless the dinero difference is not a lot between the two ? i actually prefer the cab artwork on the LE. personally.

#6252 4 years ago

Wow I just realized that it was October 14 last year!.. when JJP requested that depositors send in additional funds for the game...over 7 months ago.. and at that time it was almost 2 years before that the original order/deposit was made on announcement...

#6253 4 years ago

This is the quietest period I can remember from JJP. Very odd.

#6254 4 years ago
Quoted from Shapeshifter:

This is the quietest period I can remember from JJP. Very odd.

Jack has been posting in the google group.

#6255 4 years ago
Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

I find the lack of updates completely unprofessional at this point. But if you have no good news to report, then I can see why they've gone silent. Still no excuse.
He's going to need to start producing these Hobbits by July 1st, or else I may actually consider pulling out. That's something I never even thought would happen, because I love JJPs cutting edge tech & Keith Johnson's coding. The more time that goes by, on top of the realization that I won't receive my pin for at least another 6 months after production starts, is almost too much to ask. I preordered thinking "they can't possibly have the same types of production delays on the 2nd machine as they did on the first", yet here we are.
There's just so many great pins out there that I could buy & be playing right now, instead of letting my money sit for nearly a whole additional year. I've learned a lot about this hobby since I first put down that pre-order cash, and I almost have to pinch myself when I realize I'm dropping 8K+ on a pin that I haven't even played yet. And here's more food for thought......What if the rumors are true that Stern's next Ritchie/Lyman title release is Game of Thrones in the Fall? What if Hobbit production really is delayed for another 3 months from now? We could potentially have the top 2 pin manufactures both producing a Fantasy/Dragon themed pin with their best design/programming teams, on the market at the same time, at the same price point, competing for the same dollars. Interesting to say the least, and a situation I'm sure JJP would like to avoid.

Stern even more imo

#6256 4 years ago
Quoted from fuko:

I'm saying 2 things: first, shipping TH will allow JJP to collect on monies owed for outstanding preorders (not everyone is paid in full); but more importantly they will sell more standards to new customers who are not yet bought in. The same model was used in early days of WOZLE production and is driving WOZ sales today

I am referring to parts already received for production of new TH games (I've not seen their factory, so can't prove it), but also to sunk R&D cost. The only way to convert that to cash is to start shipping

I think the problem is you're not looking at it from a push/pull manufacturing standpoint.

From a financial standpoint, it makes more sense for JJP to push WOZ until the parts are completely exhausted. JJP gets $8000 for every WOZ that runs off the line. The parts are already paid for, the workers are already trained, there is likely very little downtime in the procedure anymore. This is the well oiled machine part of manufacturing.

Right now JJP is sitting on paid WOZ inventory/components right? And as he has stated numerous times every part is very machine specific (citing the delays in Hobbit). So those parts are lost cash if they aren't assembled into WOZ machines and sold. Right now he may have millions on the books in the form of raw materials/components, so he's got to get rid of those to make it worth while.

This is referred to as pushing in manufacturing.

Pulling is what he's doing with Hobbit. Pulling is when you wait for a threshold of orders to pile up, then order parts/raw materials.

Right now JJP is doing both, push manufacturing on WOZ and pull manufacturing on Hobbit. Until the WOZ components are gone, it makes more financial sense to keep churning out WOZ because those dollars spent are already on the books and out of the bank.

This is just speculation, but I bet this is probably why Bally used 4 bank drop target mechs on games with only 3 drops in a bank (ie. Space Invaders). The more universal parts you use the more flexible you can be with your manufacturing.

I'm not criticizing JJP, truthfully I think they're doing the best thing possible. Delays suck, but not getting your machine at all would be much worse.

#6257 4 years ago

Don't forget that JJP needs to keep service parts on hand for future parts that wear out. Unlike previous pin manufacturers that had stocking distributors who bought service parts and sold them, the JJP model has primarily ships service parts from the manufacturing plant as needed. This is also thanks to modern shipping methods that do not require a lot of "mini warehousing" of these game-specific parts.

If all parts are used to build games and then a Winkie target breaks for a guy in Salem, Oregon, now what? JJP has to buy a minimum quantity and send one to Oregon and sit on the rest. Plus there is the delay in the supplier getting that minimum buy shipped.

In 1978, Bally sold over US$9,000,000.00 in service parts. That's over $30,000,000.00 in today's dollars. As soon as sold, the payment from distributors was due in 30 days. Slot customers upon sale of full orders of slots for the casinos that came online in Atlantic City were given terms of 180 days.

#6258 4 years ago
Quoted from ledge:

well yeah its not too much to ask really. give your loyal /and patient customers something back.
EDIT: what are reasons, people are preferring the smaug SE over the LE ? i mean... im not seeing it.
unless the dinero difference is not a lot between the two ? i actually prefer the cab artwork on the LE. personally.

I think the cab art of the LE is horrendous personally. The smaug Art is 1000x better. I do like the seaside bronze trim better than the gold, but not enough to overlook the amateur collage of art on the LE. Plus, with the SE you get an extra attract mode thrown in (not a big deal at all). Plus, it's the same price for me so it's a no-brainer to go SE.

Edit: if you like the LE art better it's a no-brainer for you. Go LE.

#6259 4 years ago
Quoted from Pimp77:

I think the cab art of the LE is horrendous personally. The smaug Art is 1000x better. I do like the seaside bronze trim better than the gold, but not enough to overlook the amateur collage of art on the LE. Plus, with the SE you get an extra attract mode thrown in (not a big deal at all). Plus, it's the same price for me so it's a no-brainer to go SE.
Edit: if you like the LE art better it's a no-brainer for you. Go LE.

Yup, different tastes. I had the option to go SE when it was offered and kept the LE. Way too much Smaug and red for me on the SE. I feel the LE is way better than SE. It's all about preferences. I'm glad we had options.

#6260 4 years ago

I like both the LE and the SE, but the very fact that the SE is over the top and outrageous looking is what I like best about it. I never felt pinball was about subtlety anyway.

#6261 4 years ago
Quoted from DCFAN:

Jack has been posting in the google group.

I know but everything said is so vague.

Anyway, hope to play Hobbit before end of this year

#6262 4 years ago
Quoted from Shapeshifter:

I know but everything said is so vague.

That is not surprising. Jack has told us he is waiting for the parts to arrive, relying on promises from his vendors. Maybe every vendor will deliver on time. Maybe every vendor will provide parts exactly to spec.

Maybe not. Then Jack would have to suffer the shit storm resulting from "another missed deadline". I think Jack's critics have taught him to avoid that scenario. Thus, we end up where we are today: it will be ready when it's ready. I'm OK with that.

#6263 4 years ago

SE looks tacky in gold with the same artwork overkilled 3 times. LE is earthy and manboobalicious.

#6264 4 years ago
Quoted from thewool:

SE looks tacky in gold with the same artwork overkilled 3 times. LE is earthy and manboobalicious.

You forgot scrotumalicious. LOL! Plus, you can see Gandalf, what 4-5 times at once!? Great composition!

#6265 4 years ago
Quoted from Pimp77:

You forgot scrotumalicious. LOL! Plus, you can see Gandalf, what 4-5 times at once!? Great composition!

Nothing wrong with a good saggy scrotum...

#6266 4 years ago
Quoted from thewool:

Nothing wrong with a good saggy scrotum...

Really. I'm fifty and my nutsack is starting to look like Turkish taffy in July.

#6267 4 years ago
Quoted from beelzeboob:

Really. I'm fifty and my nutsack is starting to look like Turkish taffy in July.

TMI

#6268 4 years ago

Guys, I am really struggling with SE vs LE ... I just don't know. I really wish I had a chance to see them side by side in person.

#6269 4 years ago
Quoted from Goronic:

Guys, I am really struggling with SE vs LE ... I just don't know. I really wish I had a chance to see them side by side in person.

SE easily...I mean look at the art on the LE cabinet! It's a mess! If you are sandwiching this game between machines and hiding the art then it's all about the trim. I'd give the LE a very slight edge on trim color.

#6270 4 years ago
Quoted from beelzeboob:

Really. I'm fifty and my nutsack is starting to look like Turkish taffy in July.

Jesus, I don't literally LOL very often but tonight it was you. Ten years behind you and I could finish this sentence a bunch of ways, but I'm going with not.

Now, for something to wipe the beer off my screen.

#6271 4 years ago
Quoted from beelzeboob:

Really. I'm fifty and my nutsack is starting to look like Turkish taffy in July.

LOL !!

#6272 4 years ago
Quoted from Hitch9:

Yup, different tastes. I had the option to go SE when it was offered and kept the LE. Way too much Smaug and red for me on the SE. I feel the LE is way better than SE. It's all about preferences. I'm glad we had options.

yep, the Hobbit is about all 3 movies, not just smaug. Id rather the LE, without a doubt. Much like TWD i guess. I prefer to see cast members on the cabinet, rather than just a bland box type pic.
so premium TWD for me. As above, its all personal taste.

#6273 4 years ago
Quoted from Pimp77:

SE easily...I mean look at the art on the LE cabinet! It's a mess! If you are sandwiching this game between machines and hiding the art then it's all about the trim. I'd give the LE a very slight edge on trim color.

I am switching from SE to LE..

You see the trim a lot more than the side art. Unless you have 2 pins there is too much Smaug in the SE.

On top of that I don't get how adding gold to a red dragon is a good thing. I understand the composition complaint on the LE but this is not a poster you are going to be staring at. LE package just feels right (to me).

#6274 4 years ago
Quoted from JoeJet:

I am switching from SE to LE..
You see the trim a lot more than the side art. Unless you have 2 pins there is too much Smaug in the SE.
On top of that I don't get how adding gold to a red dragon is a good thing. I understand the composition complaint on the LE but this is not a poster you are going to be staring at. LE package just feels right (to me).

Now I'm second guessing my SE choice. Thanks everyone!

#6275 4 years ago
Quoted from JoeJet:

I am switching from SE to LE..
You see the trim a lot more than the side art. Unless you have 2 pins there is too much Smaug in the SE.
On top of that I don't get how adding gold to a red dragon is a good thing. I understand the composition complaint on the LE but this is not a poster you are going to be staring at. LE package just feels right (to me).

too much Team Smaug on the SE, i agree... the Hobbit is not just about a dragon.

and i want cabinet art to reflect that.

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#6276 4 years ago
Quoted from B9:

Now I'm second guessing my SE choice. Thanks everyone!

Don't feel bad. With all the delays, I'm second guessing my purchase.

#6277 4 years ago
Quoted from ledge:

too much Team Smaug on the SE, i agree... the Hobbit is not just about a dragon.
and i want cabinet art to reflect that.

Yes, I agree.

If Stern announces Game of Thrones next (which is expected), I wonder if that will compete for the dragon-lovers among us? Especially if folks are still a year+ away from seeing a machine....

#6278 4 years ago

Everyone who knows me knows I am a big supporter of JJP and I absolutely love my WOZ. I've kept quite for the most part because of all the strong polarizing feelings pinsiders have on this.
I believe in JJP and especially Jack - he is a good guy trying to do a good thing. Although it's been hard to deal with all the delays, I'm hanging in there and keeping the faith.
As we have seen with several failed pins recently - it's not easy to build a pinball company. Lots of people have lost lots of money and that sucks... but JJP is not one of those companies. EVERY WOZ ORDERED WAS DELIVERED - maybe not right on time but it was delivered.
After talking with Jack on several occasions I am convinced he is close to production. I heard him say more then once that they will not be building 1's or 2's a week. He is going to get all the parts stockpiled so when he does start production they will be flying out of the factory. I'm looking forward to taking the trip down to NJ to pick up my machine. I have a feeling I will get the call in late Aug.
Better late then never

#6279 4 years ago
Quoted from Rferullo:

After talking with Jack on several occasions I am convinced he is close to production. I heard him say more then once that they will not be building 1's or 2's

Jack used the "No one'sy two'sy" line on me during a phone conversation while accepting my $2500 WOZ deposit. At that time WOZ production was stated as being "just a few months out". Back then "boards were done" too.

Years passed before a single WOZ left the line however.

#6280 4 years ago

My Hobbit will be in a row of games, so the cabinet art is secondary, regardless of which I like better. For me the decision was all about the trim color, which is what you'll see constantly while actually playing. I had a bunch of other games with gold (brass) trim and have been pulling it going with different less blingy colors. I think here the bronze looks a lot better with the playfield art than the gold, and that's why I went with LE over SE, even though I could have upgraded for free.

#6281 4 years ago
Quoted from Cheeks:

I think here the bronze looks a lot better with the playfield art than the gold,

Are there any good pictures showing the two colors side by side ?

#6282 4 years ago

I wish I could see them in person.

In pics both trims look very good. Is one really much better in person?

#6283 4 years ago
Quoted from Pimp77:

I wish I could see them in person.
In pics both trims look very good. Is one really much better in person?

I have only seen the LE trim and was very impressed.

#6284 4 years ago
Quoted from Rferullo:

I heard him say more then once that they will not be building 1's or 2's a week.

What's wrong with building a few a week? (Starting a few months ago)

Especially of a brand new title?

What's the worst thing that can happen ? A dozen machines get play tested for a month or 2 before production ramps up?

If that's the reason they didn't start building a few months ago then I'd called bullshit.... But that wouldn't be new

#6285 4 years ago
Quoted from beelzeboob:

Don't feel bad. With all the delays, I'm second guessing my purchase.

That AC/DC should keep you occupied for a while.

#6286 4 years ago

I feel getting the SE edition is best if your going to have the hobbit next to a Lotr as they match very nice. Just my 2 cents and why I changed from a LE to a SE

#6287 4 years ago

I like the LE better myself but is all personal preference, the seaside bronze looks cooler than the gold for me, side art? unless its in the center of a room who cares, mine will be wedged between 2 other pins, never really cared about the cabinet and would rather a blank cab and an extra interactive toy on the playfield anyday.

#6288 4 years ago
Quoted from madscientist101:

I feel getting the SE edition is best if your going to have the hobbit next to a Lotr as they match very nice. Just my 2 cents and why I changed from a LE to a SE

I doubt the Hobbit SE gold paint would look good next to a brass plated LOTR.

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#6289 4 years ago
Quoted from DCFAN:

I doubt the Hobbit SE gold paint would look good next to a brass plated LOTR.

It would look MUCH better than that crap brass job on LOTRLE. Brass is tacky anyways. Too shiny. Would look great next to standard black LOTR. The cab graphics have gold accents...that's what he meant.

#6290 4 years ago
Quoted from Rferullo:

I have a feeling I will get the call in late Aug.

you didnt mention the year . j/k

what is the $ difference between LE and SE .

#6291 4 years ago
Quoted from ledge:

what is the $ difference between LE and SE .

If preordered before Dec 2014 it was not additional charge. Currently the LE is 8500 and the SE is 9000

#6292 4 years ago
Quoted from Goronic:

If preordered before Dec 2014 it was not additional charge. Currently the LE is 8500 and the SE is 9000

ok thanks.

#6293 4 years ago

You can not get the Smaug Edition anymore unless you can find a distributor that has them on Pre-order or buy someone else out. The only edition that you can buy is the Standard edition which is listed at $8,500 or the LE which is now at $9,000 according to JJP's website. I have a Smaug on order, Sorry but im not selling.

Edit: Sorry I was wrong Standard is $8,000 and the LE is $8,500

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#6294 4 years ago

First "real" update in .... how many pages ago was the last one?

posted on the Pinball Sales Facebook page about 20 minutes ago

"Some 500+ Hobbit glass arriving for inspection."

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#6295 4 years ago
Quoted from KingPinGames:

First "real" update in .... how many pages ago was the last one?
posted on the Pinball Sales Facebook page about 20 minutes ago
"Some 500+ Hobbit glass arriving for inspection."
11295715_933125670083915_2956989014108070869_n.jpg

OOOOHHHHHH........glass.

#6296 4 years ago
Quoted from KingPinGames:

First "real" update in .... how many pages ago was the last one?
posted on the Pinball Sales Facebook page about 20 minutes ago
"Some 500+ Hobbit glass arriving for inspection."
11295715_933125670083915_2956989014108070869_n.jpg

And so it begins

Looking forward to getting this pin! I do like the look of the back glass, and the attract mode 3D style scrolling looks very cool.

#6297 4 years ago
Quoted from Goronic:

And so it begins
Looking forward to getting this pin! I do like the look of the back glass, and the attract mode 3D style scrolling looks very cool.

And we all saw: "Thank you Jean-Paul!!"

- He did an awesome job on The Hobbit!

#6298 4 years ago

I know this has been debated before but I have two quick questions for those in on the hobbit:

1) Do you think cliffy's will be available for install when delivered (are they 'standard' size?)
2) PF protector or not? I want to skip because I think it could lose that PF shine sooner - but I don't want to risk too much damage to the PF. Are you guys going with the PF protector?

Also, I think I am going to skip the Radcals because it is going in my home - and I usually baby my things - so I don't think it will be needed. I guess I can always put them on latter.

#6299 4 years ago

The protector is total overkill for home use.

#6300 4 years ago
Quoted from Captain_Kirk:

OOOOHHHHHH........glass.

I'm pretty sure I live close to you. I'd love to buy you a drink sometime and hear why you're so negative all the time. There's gotta be a reason.

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